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New Intel Science Vessel (Somerville and Batlh) and Infos on Trait

mustrumridcully0mustrumridcully0 Member Posts: 12,963 Arc User
Seems there is still no thread on these ships:
https://www.arcgames.com/en/games/star-trek-online/news/detail/11262123-new-intel-science-vessels!

I got them and leveled the Summerville already on my main character, a science captain flying science vessels usually.

Space Barbie
The Summerville can use the skin of the Discovery era Hernandez Class as well, and has 3 components - nacelles, inner saucer, outer saucer. If you like the hole in the saucer, you can make it larger with the right combo of saucer parts, if you hate it, you can make it disappear with the right combo of saucer parts.

Both the Summverville and the Batlh can use the Intel the Discovery Materials of their faction in addition to the standard skins.
The Batlh has no alternate costume parts and will always look like the space bus. If this doesn't sell well, I wouldn't blame "Klingons" or "Science", Geko!


Console – Universal – Mycelial Spore Burst:
It's basically Eject Warp Plasma with Mycelium Stuff. Maybe with a better AoE overall than usual.

Starship Trait - Spore-Infused Anomalies

Whenever you activate a Science or Intelligence Bridge Officer ability:
To foes within 5 km of your anomalies:

10,687,4 Electrical Damage

28.4 All Power Levels for 20 sec
That's with EPG 433, Drain Expertise 178, and Control Expertise 260.
EDIT: For comparison, my Gravity Well III with hese stats inflicts 1,870.9 per second.

It triggers really on every science or Intel ability use (so even Tyken's Rift can trigger your Gravity Well to release spores), so that can be a lot.
I wasn't entirely sure what all counts as anomalies, I can confirm so far that Gravity Well, Tyken's Rift and Chronometric Inversion Field qualify.
Speculation is that Timeline Collapse and Ionic Turbulence would also qualify.

What I don't know if a ship can take damage from multiple anomalies near it at the same time, because I don't parse usually. But it could be good, with a build that has enough triggers working for it.
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  • davefenestratordavefenestrator Member Posts: 10,690 Arc User
    I like the look of the Hernandez skin and I'm a fan of SCIENCE! ships so I might pick it up even without a trait that buffs my gravity wells. This plus the pilot science gravity well trait will make my wells even more doom-y.

    I'm not so fond of the KDF Space Train version, but the initial bundle price with 5 keys and a fleet module for $40 makes it a very cheap add-on to get the trait for my KDF and -aligned characters.
  • foxrockssocksfoxrockssocks Member Posts: 2,482 Arc User
    Those have to be the ugliest ships I've seen in this game. The trait looks good for many science builds though.
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  • davefenestratordavefenestrator Member Posts: 10,690 Arc User
    coldnapalm wrote: »
    Okay, that trait looks super good. Wonder how long until the nerf hammer hits.

    Even nerfed it sounds like a fun addition to my wells, and fun + Space Barbie is what matters to me.

  • flyingshoeboxflyingshoebox Member Posts: 123 Arc User
    I'm also in the it's ugly camp, not a fan of the boxy designs. While I wasn’t a huge fan of the tidybowl either It would have been nice if they had made an updated design that tried to meld the look of it with the Hernandez for the updated skin maybe try to add more negative space to the overall design rather than the saucer to mix it up. The trait might be good though if you can find room for it. Does the electrical damage tic for 10k or is it a onetime thing? Also like the op I’d like to know what triggers it and what doesn’t and if it stacks for multiple ships. I wonder if temporal stuff triggers it like causal anchor and some of the other stuff since the flavor text could be interpreted that way. I’m guessing subspace vortex would trigger it.

    Also, op what’s the hese mean when describing the gravity well damage? I’m never good at understanding what people are talking about in this game when using acronyms and abbreviations there are just so many when talking about powers and traits.
  • thevampinatorthevampinator Member Posts: 637 Arc User
    So can you get the hernandez skin with just the zen store version or do you have to have the fleet version of the ship? I want to know because I prefer that version over the other one. I want to know if the zen ship comes with both by defult because if not I might just buy the kdf ship.
  • davefenestratordavefenestrator Member Posts: 10,690 Arc User
    So can you get the hernandez skin with just the zen store version or do you have to have the fleet version of the ship? I want to know because I prefer that version over the other one. I want to know if the zen ship comes with both by defult because if not I might just buy the kdf ship.

    If you buy the 2-pack for 4,000 zen you get a fleet module and 5 keys, so you're covered either way.
  • thevampinatorthevampinator Member Posts: 637 Arc User
    edited September 2019
    So can you get the hernandez skin with just the zen store version or do you have to have the fleet version of the ship? I want to know because I prefer that version over the other one. I want to know if the zen ship comes with both by defult because if not I might just buy the kdf ship.

    If you buy the 2-pack for 4,000 zen you get a fleet module and 5 keys, so you're covered either way.

    Seems like it can I asked in a custom channel. Which is what determined my decision to buy both ships. IF it wasn't like that I might have saved myself some money and just bough the klingon ship as I kind want that one with my klingon docter character. But since I do like the looks of the Hernadez because it is romulan inspired by its design. Which makes it interesting I wanted to have that version of the ship as well I could care less about the 25th century design for it. As that isn't as good as the discovery comic look for the ship. Seems like the key pack that came with the ship were account bound keys so you can only use those on yourself by the way.
    Actually the Summerville look with hull and outer hull version looks very nice paired up with the hernadez nacelles making it look more like a federation ship based off romulan design. Which is nice actually.
  • davefenestratordavefenestrator Member Posts: 10,690 Arc User
    Seems like the key pack that came with the ship were account bound keys so you can only use those on yourself by the way.

    Thanks. I expected that, but it's still 20+ lobi and a 5-in-250 chance at a lock box ship so better than nothing.

  • thevampinatorthevampinator Member Posts: 637 Arc User
    edited September 2019
    People might hate the design of of them, but I actually love the new designs for the new ships. But not the nacelles for the summerville. The Hern Nacelles are where it is at . With the hern nacelles plus the summerville outerhull and hull it really looks like a romulan inspired federation ship and looks very sexy indeed. The Klingon ship also is sexy and looks very nice and does seem to be inspired and has the appearance of a space liner in a way and also looks like a more civilian vessel and unlike some of the discovery klingon ships looks like a klingon vessel or something klingons would make. It has both true klingon hull design materials and discovery ones so you could use either for it. I'm not sure if it was a custom made ship or based on the comics but it could be possible it was a cryptic design by the looks of it. Does anyone know the answer if it came from the comics like the federation ship did?

    Here is my screenshot for the fed ship it on my romulan character. It looks pretty sexy indeed. Then I put in a photo of it next to the tliss which isn't my screenshot but well looks kinda like the ship and you can see the inspiration in the design in how it looks a lot like the tliss.
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    Also just took a screen shot of the Kdf ship which has one of the hull materials and is fitting for my klingon docter. Some might think it doesn't look klingon but then its a different class of vessel that might not be a combat focused but more like a transport cruise liner. But still fits the mold for Klingon design unlike some of the other recent discovery ships. This actually does look Klingon and it also looks like a nice klingon vessel and is fitting for its purpose. Could also think of it like a Klingon Cargo vessel if you wanted too.

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    So I thought I would share my thoughts you guys feel free to share your thoughts on the new ships. :) Both were well worth the 4000 zen. In my opinion.
  • warmaker001bwarmaker001b Member Posts: 9,205 Arc User
    edited September 2019
    You got pictures of the consoles and traits? The consoles don't look like much, the traits sound interesting in the news page. But what the news page says and what they actually do in the game are two totally different things.

    I like the Klingon one. My KDF can be bus drivers now :)
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  • phoenixc#0738 phoenixc Member Posts: 5,886 Arc User
    Stats wise they look pretty good I think, but they have to be one of the ugliest sets of ships in the game unless you are going for a niche character of some sort. Like I said earlier the Hernandez would work for a retro, invaders from the stratosphere kind of feel, and now the space bus works for the clunky junky baroque style of the Orion ships in ENT (I might actually get one eventually for my Orions for that reason, but that would be down the road a ways at least).
  • duasynduasyn Member Posts: 492 Arc User
    edited September 2019
    Visually...not crazy about the Fed ship, but the KDF one looks more like an Orion ship than a Klingon one so my Orion sci-captain might finally have an "Orion-ish" sci ship to fly. :D
    I'm not so fond of the KDF Space Train version,

    Choo choo! All aboard the space magic train!
  • warmaker001bwarmaker001b Member Posts: 9,205 Arc User
    edited September 2019
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  • crusty8maccrusty8mac Member Posts: 1,381 Arc User
    Are these ships based on TRIBBLE? I have yet to see a Klingon ship adapted from that show that I will ever buy. Just too damn ugly.
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  • crusty8maccrusty8mac Member Posts: 1,381 Arc User
    I like the Klingon one. My KDF can be bus drivers now :)

    That made me laugh.
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  • trillbuffettrillbuffet Member Posts: 861 Arc User
    crusty8mac wrote: »
    Are these ships based on TRIBBLE? I have yet to see a Klingon ship adapted from that show that I will ever buy. Just too damn ugly.

    Only if the people who have made Cryptic versions of Klingon ships were put in charge of making the ones for the show they would look much better looking. I assume these klingon ships were one of the issues that caused singer to leave where moonves wanted them to look "sexier" and so these are probably the skeletons of what those ships look like. Although the way some of the hull healing traits work combined with all the pieces of the discovery rep the qoj dreadnought makes a great ship I use for my main science character combined with all the high hull rep traits too. I laugh so hard every time using power of math in the briar patch patrol using feedback pulse and mo'kai raiders non stop explosions and the ship barely gets damaged lol.
  • ensignthrowawayensignthrowaway Member Posts: 37 Arc User
    I bought the pack, got the trait and parsed with it a few minutes ago. Here's some additional information about the anomaly lightning to consider:

    Pros:
    - The lightning does a lot of damage for a single trait slot.

    Cons:
    - The lightning hits shields, not hull, so your DPS will definitely increase, but your actual killing efficiency may not if you're running a heavy sci build.
    - The lightning cannot crit. (It hits really hard anyway, but it's a bummer knowing things like Particle Manipulator aren't doing anything for it.)

    Some hard numbers under standard buffs:
    EPG: 412 (more exotic damage on top of it: Delphic Tear/Improved Photonic Officer/Temporal Support Mode/4 Exotic Particle Synergy consoles)
    CtrlX: 392

    GWIII: DPS 11,530, Crit 85%,
    Spore-Infused Anomalies: DPS 3,713, Crit 0%

    Anyway, just wanted to keep everyone informed about what this is like.
  • ensignthrowawayensignthrowaway Member Posts: 37 Arc User
    Oh, one other thing: I got lightning off Gravity Well, Subspace Vortex and Aftershock Gravity Wells. I was also running Chronometric Inversion Field, but do not see an associated Spore entry for it. (All the other spore sub-entries were tagged.)
  • mustrumridcully0mustrumridcully0 Member Posts: 12,963 Arc User
    edited September 2019
    IDoes the electrical damage tic for 10k or is it a onetime thing? Also like the op I’d like to know what triggers it and what doesn’t and if it stacks for multiple ships. I wonder if temporal stuff triggers it like causal anchor and some of the other stuff since the flavor text could be interpreted that way. I’m guessing subspace vortex would trigger it.
    The trait deals the damage once per anomaly and trigger (any Intel or Science ability).

    So if you have a Gravity Well (an anomaly), and then activate Science Team, Hazard Emitters and Intelligence Team, the trait causes the damage 3 times to targets within 5km of the Gravity Well. If you also had a Tyken's Rift running at the same time, it wuld trigger 6 times (3 times for the Gravity Well, 3 times for the Tyken's Rift).

    So it can stack up to a lot, depending on how much anomalies you can create ,and how many intel and science abilities you can use to trigger it.
    Also, op what’s the hese mean when describing the gravity well damage? I’m never good at understanding what people are talking about in this game when using acronyms and abbreviations there are just so many when talking about powers and traits.
    I was describing how much damage per second my gravity well does, to get a perspective on the numbers for the damage of the trait. That's just the damage of the gravity well by tooltip, which is just the damage per target.

    @ensignthrowaway also seems to have parsed a combat run with it, so that might give an even better perspective.

    I bought the pack, got the trait and parsed with it a few minutes ago. Here's some additional information about the anomaly lightning to consider:

    Pros:
    - The lightning does a lot of damage for a single trait slot.

    Cons:
    - The lightning hits shields, not hull, so your DPS will definitely increase, but your actual killing efficiency may not if you're running a heavy sci build.
    - The lightning cannot crit. (It hits really hard anyway, but it's a bummer knowing things like Particle Manipulator aren't doing anything for it.)

    Some hard numbers under standard buffs:
    EPG: 412 (more exotic damage on top of it: Delphic Tear/Improved Photonic Officer/Temporal Support Mode/4 Exotic Particle Synergy consoles)
    CtrlX: 392

    GWIII: DPS 11,530, Crit 85%,
    Spore-Infused Anomalies: DPS 3,713, Crit 0%

    Anyway, just wanted to keep everyone informed about what this is like.
    For that DPS number, how many triggers did you have for your spore-infused anomalies, or how frequently could you trigger it?

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  • gaevsmangaevsman Member Posts: 3,190 Arc User
    Love the little ship, the Sommer is quite nice, i buyed it with my 50% off coupon... and i dont regret it at all.. hate the Klingon ship thou... that ships looks like they got it from StarControl 2..
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  • arabaturarabatur Member Posts: 410 Arc User
    Both to ugly to buy and fly, even with the nice traits.
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  • alcyoneserenealcyoneserene Member Posts: 2,414 Arc User
    People might hate the design of of them, but I actually love the new designs for the new ships. But not the nacelles for the summerville. The Hern Nacelles are where it is at . With the hern nacelles plus the summerville outerhull and hull it really looks like a romulan inspired federation ship and looks very sexy indeed.

    Sure sure, rub it in that Roms were once again left out in the cold for their first full spec science warbird :P. Thank you for the pic, that combination is seriously awesome looking. I'm also a fan of broken up saucer designs, and this ship is pretty much a repackaged Scryer (epic Cryptic design) with LtC Tac instead of LtC Sci, uni shifted to Lt seat but fixed ens sci, more shield less hull, more turn less impulse, and more science less tac power levels. It better be able to mount dual cannons/DHC like the Scryer. I only wish it had a more obvious secondary deflector.

    What's with KDF getting one ugly ship after another?
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  • foxrockssocksfoxrockssocks Member Posts: 2,482 Arc User
    I'm curious what this trait can do on a non EPG character. What does it do at ~50 EPG? Plenty of escort/cruiser ships could throw a random grav well and ionic turbulance. Do gravimetric torpedo wells count too? How about that Son'a lobi ship and its isolytic tears?

    Also does the initial gravity well/whatever trigger the trait or does it only happen on successive uses of intel/sci powers once the well is up?
  • mustrumridcully0mustrumridcully0 Member Posts: 12,963 Arc User
    I'm curious what this trait can do on a non EPG character. What does it do at ~50 EPG? Plenty of escort/cruiser ships could throw a random grav well and ionic turbulance. Do gravimetric torpedo wells count too? How about that Son'a lobi ship and its isolytic tears?

    Also does the initial gravity well/whatever trigger the trait or does it only happen on successive uses of intel/sci powers once the well is up?

    Only subsequently activated abilities trigger the trait.

    I can try unequipping my consoles to see how the value changes. Later, if I don't forget it till then.

    Don't know about gravimetrics or isolytic tear (don't have the latter to try in the first place.)
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  • smokebaileysmokebailey Member Posts: 4,668 Arc User
    People might hate the design of of them, but I actually love the new designs for the new ships. But not the nacelles for the summerville. The Hern Nacelles are where it is at . With the hern nacelles plus the summerville outerhull and hull it really looks like a romulan inspired federation ship and looks very sexy indeed. The Klingon ship also is sexy and looks very nice and does seem to be inspired and has the appearance of a space liner in a way and also looks like a more civilian vessel and unlike some of the discovery klingon ships looks like a klingon vessel or something klingons would make. It has both true klingon hull design materials and discovery ones so you could use either for it. I'm not sure if it was a custom made ship or based on the comics but it could be possible it was a cryptic design by the looks of it. Does anyone know the answer if it came from the comics like the federation ship did?

    Here is my screenshot for the fed ship it on my romulan character. It looks pretty sexy indeed. Then I put in a photo of it next to the tliss which isn't my screenshot but well looks kinda like the ship and you can see the inspiration in the design in how it looks a lot like the tliss.
    3bgk3z.jpg


    3bglwv.jpg

    Also just took a screen shot of the Kdf ship which has one of the hull materials and is fitting for my klingon docter. Some might think it doesn't look klingon but then its a different class of vessel that might not be a combat focused but more like a transport cruise liner. But still fits the mold for Klingon design unlike some of the other recent discovery ships. This actually does look Klingon and it also looks like a nice klingon vessel and is fitting for its purpose. Could also think of it like a Klingon Cargo vessel if you wanted too.

    3bgmcg.jpg
    So I thought I would share my thoughts you guys feel free to share your thoughts on the new ships. :) Both were well worth the 4000 zen. In my opinion.

    I like it. Very CUTE design. And those are the cutest engine pods I seen in some time. :3
    Has an anime feel to it.
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  • majorcharvenakmajorcharvenak Member Posts: 231 Arc User
    Picking one up by the way. The trait alone makes it worth it for me and I'm a sucker for sci ships.
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  • kronin#4685 kronin Member Posts: 325 Arc User
    I like how it's a cross between the T'Liss and the Reliant. No Romulan ship in this bundle is disappointing. The KDF one, I've seen worse (looking) and I've seen better. There really hasn't been a KDF ship that's made me want to get it, just by looking at it. The trait does look good, but I don't usually buy ships for the traits. The admiralty card does not impress me. Science ships aren't really my thing. I like cruisers. If I'm ever in the market for a science vessel, I'll remember this ship and think about it. Until then, I'll pass for now. A design like this (Fed one) would make a good cross faction ship. It looks like more than one faction designed it. I will keep watching to see what cruisers they offer in the future.
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