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  • lordmerc22lordmerc22 Member Posts: 776 Arc User
    Well, I don't think this makes a lot of sense on a lot of levels from an in universe perspective. Of course the alliance is there to bring everyone together in happy fun land to fight the xenos, but the Romulan faction is arguably the weakest one having had a total political collapse and their homeworld destroyed. So why are they the first ones producing ships for everyone?

    Now from a game perspective, this is nice if you want a ship for everyone for the trait/admiralty card. Just buy the Romulan ship. Also, I don't think anyone realized this yet, but this very thing means that there is now more incentive, if you're going to buy just one ship, you buy Romulan ships over others so all your characters can use it, or the trait, and that means there is more incentive to produce new Romulan ships on the developer end. The question then is will there be a number of Romulan only ship releases?

    Still to go back in universe, with the grand alliance as the reason for all of this, why not the same treatment for Fed/KDF ships? It seems like that is only be a matter of time.

    Roms can already use Fed or KDF ships depending on allignment since late 2018
  • captaind3captaind3 Member Posts: 2,449 Arc User
    edited August 2019
    Well. That's...sad. Awesome. But Sad.

    I guess I'm more meh about it than anything else. It's kind of what the Klingons are always so scared of, being absorbed into the Federation.

    It's supposed to be about preserving our distinctions and differences and using them to work in harmony, not homogenizing. That's the Borg's thing. (We will add your biological and technological distinctiveness to our own).

    If we're gonna skip ahead to the Delta Alliance being the primary political entity, then great, though the constituent nations are still supposed to be separate 200 years from now.

    On the other hand, it only makes sense. The devs haven't bothered to put in faction or species specific character dialogue since what? Legacy of Romulus? It's all been pretty Starfleet.

    Whatever, it's fine, it's fine.

    I'll keep it canon, and whoever doesn't want to, doesn't have to.

    And there are gonna be some great RP'ers who are gonna make characters that stole this ship or that ship from the Tal Shiar or the Empire or the Republic.
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  • oldravenman3025oldravenman3025 Member Posts: 1,892 Arc User
    Just more Admiralty cards for me. That's the extent of how this affects me personally.
  • ltminnsltminns Member Posts: 12,572 Arc User
    Well it sounds like this is just another thing that is decried as a disaster of biblical proportions. ;)

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  • ltminnsltminns Member Posts: 12,572 Arc User
    And now you understand the unlocking of those Valdore class Consoles.
    'But to be logical is not to be right', and 'nothing' on God's earth could ever 'make it' right!'
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  • sennahcheribsennahcherib Member Posts: 2,823 Arc User
    buy this ship is a waste of money, the valdore console is totally useless.
  • ltminnsltminns Member Posts: 12,572 Arc User
    ??? Ohhh kay
    'But to be logical is not to be right', and 'nothing' on God's earth could ever 'make it' right!'
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  • seaofsorrowsseaofsorrows Member Posts: 10,918 Arc User
    edited August 2019
    buy this ship is a waste of money, the valdore console is totally useless.

    Categorically false.

    It's an excellent console.
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  • seaofsorrowsseaofsorrows Member Posts: 10,918 Arc User
    coldnapalm wrote: »
    buy this ship is a waste of money, the valdore console is totally useless.

    Ridiculous and false.

    Well...technically might not be if they don't plan on using warbirds unless they change the console restriction. If you plan to just use your faction specific ship, getting the valdore will do nothing for the dominion, KDF and feddie bears. But if you do plan to use warbirds...yeah...that console is pure gold.

    I am hoping the Valdore console stays locked to Romulans.

    With this change, it just further homogenizes Romulans.. they need to still have something that makes them special or desirable to play. Use of the Valdore console is one small thing, some consoles like DPRM, the biggest is obviously SRO Officers. Now that anyone can fly a Scimitar I am hoping that some things stay Romulan.

    We'll see.
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  • warpangelwarpangel Member Posts: 9,427 Arc User
    they need to still have something that makes them special or desirable to play.
    Yes.

    The storyline.

    Just like all the other "factions."
  • lordmerc22lordmerc22 Member Posts: 776 Arc User
    warpangel wrote: »
    they need to still have something that makes them special or desirable to play.
    Yes.

    The storyline.

    Just like all the other "factions."

    They still got the ability to go full SRO boffs

    and I doubt this exclusivity will be taken away because it would defeat the need for the npc that sells the SRO to others in Embassy Holding
  • casualstocasualsto Member Posts: 672 Arc User
    Warbirds are not that amazing on a non-rom toon.

    You lost 40 subsystem power by default and you're in a more fragile shell of a ship.

    Excepting the Scimitars and the Temporal Warbird (warship), the warbirds aren't comparing in performance with other fed/kdf ships.

    This is more like a release and unification of limited content.

    Certain ships will remain rom-only, as some ships are fed-only.
  • sennahcheribsennahcherib Member Posts: 2,823 Arc User
    buy this ship is a waste of money, the valdore console is totally useless.

    Categorically false.

    It's an excellent console.

    if you say so.

  • ltminnsltminns Member Posts: 12,572 Arc User
    The Ferengi are already in tune with this upcoming change. The Mirror Romulan Ships have increased prices on the Exchange.
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  • jkwrangler2010jkwrangler2010 Member Posts: 263 Arc User
    If there is an uptick of Romulan ships being purchased/used, would that lead to the devs creating more Romulan based content?

    And does it really matter whom flies what? I mean, you don't really interact with other players in pvp matches, you only see their ship. Yes, you do see a small avatar of their character on the team stats, but that's it. The only big change I feel will be more Romulan ships outside of ESD.
  • tigerariestigeraries Member Posts: 3,492 Arc User
    buy this ship is a waste of money, the valdore console is totally useless.

    Categorically false.

    It's an excellent console.

    matter of opinion.

    2.5% chance to heal shields when doing pew pew.

    if tac consoles became universal... folks would be flying with 11 tac consoles.
  • angarus1angarus1 Member Posts: 684 Arc User
    Even though I mostly keep my characters in their faction-specific ships, I do like having the option to grab a warbird for 'em.
  • lordmerc22lordmerc22 Member Posts: 776 Arc User
    tigeraries wrote: »
    buy this ship is a waste of money, the valdore console is totally useless.

    Categorically false.

    It's an excellent console.

    matter of opinion.

    2.5% chance to heal shields when doing pew pew.

    if tac consoles became universal... folks would be flying with 11 tac consoles.

    That is matter of opinion too though

    I would never use 11 tac consoles even on my tac toons
  • majorcharvenakmajorcharvenak Member Posts: 231 Arc User
    If there is an uptick of Romulan ships being purchased/used, would that lead to the devs creating more Romulan based content?

    And does it really matter whom flies what? I mean, you don't really interact with other players in pvp matches, you only see their ship. Yes, you do see a small avatar of their character on the team stats, but that's it. The only big change I feel will be more Romulan ships outside of ESD.

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  • vampeiyrevampeiyre Member Posts: 633 Arc User
    angarus1 wrote: »
    Even though I mostly keep my characters in their faction-specific ships, I do like having the option to grab a warbird for 'em.

    Feds can now have C-Store Miracle Worker cruisers that aren't fugly as all get out, with a battle cloak to boot. Viva la revolución!
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  • crusty8maccrusty8mac Member Posts: 1,381 Arc User
    The Romulan ships are among my favorites. I haven't played my Reman toon in quite some time, so this will be a bonus for me.
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  • bluejaye1bluejaye1 Member Posts: 77 Arc User
    Useful for my Armada's, but that's about it.

    I'd be much happier, if they let the Romulan's wear either the uniforms of the faction they've allied with.
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  • flyingshoeboxflyingshoebox Member Posts: 123 Arc User
    This will get me to buy some miracle worker ships. I really liked the look of the Romulan ones. The fed ones not so much and I don’t really play my Romulan toons anymore. Just can’t bring myself to get specialization point on more than a few toons.

    Something that would get me to play one of my Romulan again is being able to use the fed lifetime ship on one. Last time I tried I could only get the Romulan bird thing. Don’t get me wrong I’m sure there are a few people that love to get inside old Toucan Sam and ride him around, but I can’t bring myself to do it. At least not until they make it so the wings flap up and down in sector space. As somebody pointed out being able to have my Romulans wear their allied faction outfits would go a long way here also.
  • emperormakemperormak Member Posts: 137 Arc User
    I hope this means a major change in C-Store ship production.

    The design concept in which they create a KDF, a FED, and a ROM ship which are essentially identical no longer makes much sense. The 3pack made sense when you were hoping that people had all three factions. With Romulan ships no longer being Romulan-only, there's very little reason for someone to buy the 3pack. You can buy 2 ships and all 3 factions will have access to them.

    This being the case, here's what I'd like to see happen.

    A total change in the way C-Store ships are done. Drop the 3 identical ships concept entirely. Rotate the three factions. FED gets a ship, then KDF, then ROM. The FED ships will serve 2 factions, the KDF ships will serve 2 factions, and the ROM ships will serve all 3 factions. Doing this would free up design space as they wouldn't constantly be creating 3 ships. And then, I'd add a 4th piece to the cycle. Non-aligned ships. These would be ships that were available to all 3 factions and would allow them to do unusual things from time to time. I've always thought it strange that there were no non-aligned ships in the C-Store.

    Does this do anything to help with emersion? Nope. That's dead. Let's embrace it and move on to making what's left better.
  • seaofsorrowsseaofsorrows Member Posts: 10,918 Arc User
    edited August 2019
    coldnapalm wrote: »
    tigeraries wrote: »
    buy this ship is a waste of money, the valdore console is totally useless.

    Categorically false.

    It's an excellent console.

    matter of opinion.

    2.5% chance to heal shields when doing pew pew.

    if tac consoles became universal... folks would be flying with 11 tac consoles.

    Yes, but if you do it right, that 2.5% trigger should heal ALL your shield. Like all facing...to max. And unlike other procs, this is per shot so it basically triggers all the time. This console lets you ignore all shield heal abilities and just use that. No, really, it is OP as all hell assuming you are in an energy weapon build and did not fail at doing it. Even if all consoles became uni, this is one I would stick on all my energy weapon warbirds.

    Exactly right.

    I get that some players would drop a console like this in favor of a more damage oriented one, I have done this as well.. but if you're looking to build a more well rounded build with some survivability, the Valdore console is crazy good. Is it the best console in the game? no.. does it suck? absolutely not. For something that comes on a T4 ship, it's a really good console.
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  • discoricediscorice Member Posts: 45 Arc User
    Even with KDF and FED factions being able to use ROM ships, the Romulans still got the better of this tech exchange. Aside from ROM ships currently being inherently weaker energy and durability wise to captains of other factions, this exchange gave Romulans access to many times the amount of ships that the FED or KDF gained access to. This, all told, is just the price for what is effectively the Romulans' Louisiana Purchase.
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  • vinsinarvinsinar Member Posts: 55 Arc User
    I just want my Romulan to be able to fly the Kelvin timeline intel Dreadnought. I mean if the Jem'hadar can why not the Romulans?
  • baddmoonrizinbaddmoonrizin Member Posts: 10,694 Community Moderator
    Besides Admiralty, the only reason I'll use this option is to have my Vulcan fly the Vulcan/Romulan hybrid Multi-Mission Science Ships, so she can have a T6 ship that has some Vulcan flavor to it.
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  • vegeta50024vegeta50024 Member Posts: 2,336 Arc User
    emperormak wrote: »
    I hope this means a major change in C-Store ship production.

    The design concept in which they create a KDF, a FED, and a ROM ship which are essentially identical no longer makes much sense. The 3pack made sense when you were hoping that people had all three factions. With Romulan ships no longer being Romulan-only, there's very little reason for someone to buy the 3pack. You can buy 2 ships and all 3 factions will have access to them.

    There's actually 4 factions total. Federation, Klingon, Romulan & Jem'hadar.

    As far as your thinking goes, I think you're confusing something here. I think you are thinking that if you buy a Federation ship and a Romulan ship, then all the factions can use them. Technically speaking, 3 of the 4 can. Federation and Klingon characters are still restricted that they can fly their own ships, Romulan and Jem'hadar Vanguard ships, but not all faction ships.

    This being the case, here's what I'd like to see happen.

    A total change in the way C-Store ships are done. Drop the 3 identical ships concept entirely. Rotate the three factions. FED gets a ship, then KDF, then ROM. The FED ships will serve 2 factions, the KDF ships will serve 2 factions, and the ROM ships will serve all 3 factions. Doing this would free up design space as they wouldn't constantly be creating 3 ships. And then, I'd add a 4th piece to the cycle. Non-aligned ships. These would be ships that were available to all 3 factions and would allow them to do unusual things from time to time. I've always thought it strange that there were no non-aligned ships in the C-Store.

    Does this do anything to help with emersion? Nope. That's dead. Let's embrace it and move on to making what's left better.

    As I said above, Jem'hadar/Dominion faction also exists.

    Unlike the situation we had with the the Romulans and the expansion to 3 ship packs, they aren't quite going back to fill out Jem 'hadar ships for say the Command Battlecruisers, Miracle Worker cruisers, Pilot ships, or the Multi-Mission Science vessel packs. As of right now, the Jem'hadar are the only faction that do not have their own full spec Intel, Command, Pilot or Miracle worker ships. Temporal used to be included, but they got that now. There are people who want both Jem'hadar and Romulan ships to be produced more.

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  • warpangelwarpangel Member Posts: 9,427 Arc User
    emperormak wrote: »
    I hope this means a major change in C-Store ship production.

    The design concept in which they create a KDF, a FED, and a ROM ship which are essentially identical no longer makes much sense.
    The copypaste ships never made any sense to begin with. No realistic military would re-skin a vehicle like that just for looks.
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