Well, I don't think this makes a lot of sense on a lot of levels from an in universe perspective. Of course the alliance is there to bring everyone together in happy fun land to fight the xenos, but the Romulan faction is arguably the weakest one having had a total political collapse and their homeworld destroyed. So why are they the first ones producing ships for everyone?
Now from a game perspective, this is nice if you want a ship for everyone for the trait/admiralty card. Just buy the Romulan ship. Also, I don't think anyone realized this yet, but this very thing means that there is now more incentive, if you're going to buy just one ship, you buy Romulan ships over others so all your characters can use it, or the trait, and that means there is more incentive to produce new Romulan ships on the developer end. The question then is will there be a number of Romulan only ship releases?
Still to go back in universe, with the grand alliance as the reason for all of this, why not the same treatment for Fed/KDF ships? It seems like that is only be a matter of time.
Roms can already use Fed or KDF ships depending on allignment since late 2018
I guess I'm more meh about it than anything else. It's kind of what the Klingons are always so scared of, being absorbed into the Federation.
It's supposed to be about preserving our distinctions and differences and using them to work in harmony, not homogenizing. That's the Borg's thing. (We will add your biological and technological distinctiveness to our own).
If we're gonna skip ahead to the Delta Alliance being the primary political entity, then great, though the constituent nations are still supposed to be separate 200 years from now.
On the other hand, it only makes sense. The devs haven't bothered to put in faction or species specific character dialogue since what? Legacy of Romulus? It's all been pretty Starfleet.
Whatever, it's fine, it's fine.
I'll keep it canon, and whoever doesn't want to, doesn't have to.
And there are gonna be some great RP'ers who are gonna make characters that stole this ship or that ship from the Tal Shiar or the Empire or the Republic.
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And now you understand the unlocking of those Valdore class Consoles.
'But to be logical is not to be right', and 'nothing' on God's earth could ever 'make it' right!'
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'As l speak now, the words are forming in my head.
l don't know.
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That l must repeat the words that come without my knowledge.'
'But to be logical is not to be right', and 'nothing' on God's earth could ever 'make it' right!'
Judge Dan Haywood
'As l speak now, the words are forming in my head.
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That l must repeat the words that come without my knowledge.'
buy this ship is a waste of money, the valdore console is totally useless.
Ridiculous and false.
Well...technically might not be if they don't plan on using warbirds unless they change the console restriction. If you plan to just use your faction specific ship, getting the valdore will do nothing for the dominion, KDF and feddie bears. But if you do plan to use warbirds...yeah...that console is pure gold.
I am hoping the Valdore console stays locked to Romulans.
With this change, it just further homogenizes Romulans.. they need to still have something that makes them special or desirable to play. Use of the Valdore console is one small thing, some consoles like DPRM, the biggest is obviously SRO Officers. Now that anyone can fly a Scimitar I am hoping that some things stay Romulan.
The Ferengi are already in tune with this upcoming change. The Mirror Romulan Ships have increased prices on the Exchange.
'But to be logical is not to be right', and 'nothing' on God's earth could ever 'make it' right!'
Judge Dan Haywood
'As l speak now, the words are forming in my head.
l don't know.
l really don't know what l'm about to say, except l have a feeling about it.
That l must repeat the words that come without my knowledge.'
If there is an uptick of Romulan ships being purchased/used, would that lead to the devs creating more Romulan based content?
And does it really matter whom flies what? I mean, you don't really interact with other players in pvp matches, you only see their ship. Yes, you do see a small avatar of their character on the team stats, but that's it. The only big change I feel will be more Romulan ships outside of ESD.
If there is an uptick of Romulan ships being purchased/used, would that lead to the devs creating more Romulan based content?
And does it really matter whom flies what? I mean, you don't really interact with other players in pvp matches, you only see their ship. Yes, you do see a small avatar of their character on the team stats, but that's it. The only big change I feel will be more Romulan ships outside of ESD.
As it should be.
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The Romulan ships are among my favorites. I haven't played my Reman toon in quite some time, so this will be a bonus for me.
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This will get me to buy some miracle worker ships. I really liked the look of the Romulan ones. The fed ones not so much and I don’t really play my Romulan toons anymore. Just can’t bring myself to get specialization point on more than a few toons.
Something that would get me to play one of my Romulan again is being able to use the fed lifetime ship on one. Last time I tried I could only get the Romulan bird thing. Don’t get me wrong I’m sure there are a few people that love to get inside old Toucan Sam and ride him around, but I can’t bring myself to do it. At least not until they make it so the wings flap up and down in sector space. As somebody pointed out being able to have my Romulans wear their allied faction outfits would go a long way here also.
I hope this means a major change in C-Store ship production.
The design concept in which they create a KDF, a FED, and a ROM ship which are essentially identical no longer makes much sense. The 3pack made sense when you were hoping that people had all three factions. With Romulan ships no longer being Romulan-only, there's very little reason for someone to buy the 3pack. You can buy 2 ships and all 3 factions will have access to them.
This being the case, here's what I'd like to see happen.
A total change in the way C-Store ships are done. Drop the 3 identical ships concept entirely. Rotate the three factions. FED gets a ship, then KDF, then ROM. The FED ships will serve 2 factions, the KDF ships will serve 2 factions, and the ROM ships will serve all 3 factions. Doing this would free up design space as they wouldn't constantly be creating 3 ships. And then, I'd add a 4th piece to the cycle. Non-aligned ships. These would be ships that were available to all 3 factions and would allow them to do unusual things from time to time. I've always thought it strange that there were no non-aligned ships in the C-Store.
Does this do anything to help with emersion? Nope. That's dead. Let's embrace it and move on to making what's left better.
buy this ship is a waste of money, the valdore console is totally useless.
Categorically false.
It's an excellent console.
matter of opinion.
2.5% chance to heal shields when doing pew pew.
if tac consoles became universal... folks would be flying with 11 tac consoles.
Yes, but if you do it right, that 2.5% trigger should heal ALL your shield. Like all facing...to max. And unlike other procs, this is per shot so it basically triggers all the time. This console lets you ignore all shield heal abilities and just use that. No, really, it is OP as all hell assuming you are in an energy weapon build and did not fail at doing it. Even if all consoles became uni, this is one I would stick on all my energy weapon warbirds.
Exactly right.
I get that some players would drop a console like this in favor of a more damage oriented one, I have done this as well.. but if you're looking to build a more well rounded build with some survivability, the Valdore console is crazy good. Is it the best console in the game? no.. does it suck? absolutely not. For something that comes on a T4 ship, it's a really good console.
Even with KDF and FED factions being able to use ROM ships, the Romulans still got the better of this tech exchange. Aside from ROM ships currently being inherently weaker energy and durability wise to captains of other factions, this exchange gave Romulans access to many times the amount of ships that the FED or KDF gained access to. This, all told, is just the price for what is effectively the Romulans' Louisiana Purchase.
Besides Admiralty, the only reason I'll use this option is to have my Vulcan fly the Vulcan/Romulan hybrid Multi-Mission Science Ships, so she can have a T6 ship that has some Vulcan flavor to it.
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I hope this means a major change in C-Store ship production.
The design concept in which they create a KDF, a FED, and a ROM ship which are essentially identical no longer makes much sense. The 3pack made sense when you were hoping that people had all three factions. With Romulan ships no longer being Romulan-only, there's very little reason for someone to buy the 3pack. You can buy 2 ships and all 3 factions will have access to them.
As far as your thinking goes, I think you're confusing something here. I think you are thinking that if you buy a Federation ship and a Romulan ship, then all the factions can use them. Technically speaking, 3 of the 4 can. Federation and Klingon characters are still restricted that they can fly their own ships, Romulan and Jem'hadar Vanguard ships, but not all faction ships.
This being the case, here's what I'd like to see happen.
A total change in the way C-Store ships are done. Drop the 3 identical ships concept entirely. Rotate the three factions. FED gets a ship, then KDF, then ROM. The FED ships will serve 2 factions, the KDF ships will serve 2 factions, and the ROM ships will serve all 3 factions. Doing this would free up design space as they wouldn't constantly be creating 3 ships. And then, I'd add a 4th piece to the cycle. Non-aligned ships. These would be ships that were available to all 3 factions and would allow them to do unusual things from time to time. I've always thought it strange that there were no non-aligned ships in the C-Store.
Does this do anything to help with emersion? Nope. That's dead. Let's embrace it and move on to making what's left better.
As I said above, Jem'hadar/Dominion faction also exists.
Unlike the situation we had with the the Romulans and the expansion to 3 ship packs, they aren't quite going back to fill out Jem 'hadar ships for say the Command Battlecruisers, Miracle Worker cruisers, Pilot ships, or the Multi-Mission Science vessel packs. As of right now, the Jem'hadar are the only faction that do not have their own full spec Intel, Command, Pilot or Miracle worker ships. Temporal used to be included, but they got that now. There are people who want both Jem'hadar and Romulan ships to be produced more.
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Roms can already use Fed or KDF ships depending on allignment since late 2018
I guess I'm more meh about it than anything else. It's kind of what the Klingons are always so scared of, being absorbed into the Federation.
It's supposed to be about preserving our distinctions and differences and using them to work in harmony, not homogenizing. That's the Borg's thing. (We will add your biological and technological distinctiveness to our own).
If we're gonna skip ahead to the Delta Alliance being the primary political entity, then great, though the constituent nations are still supposed to be separate 200 years from now.
On the other hand, it only makes sense. The devs haven't bothered to put in faction or species specific character dialogue since what? Legacy of Romulus? It's all been pretty Starfleet.
Whatever, it's fine, it's fine.
I'll keep it canon, and whoever doesn't want to, doesn't have to.
And there are gonna be some great RP'ers who are gonna make characters that stole this ship or that ship from the Tal Shiar or the Empire or the Republic.
l don't know.
l really don't know what l'm about to say, except l have a feeling about it.
That l must repeat the words that come without my knowledge.'
l don't know.
l really don't know what l'm about to say, except l have a feeling about it.
That l must repeat the words that come without my knowledge.'
l don't know.
l really don't know what l'm about to say, except l have a feeling about it.
That l must repeat the words that come without my knowledge.'
Categorically false.
It's an excellent console.
I am hoping the Valdore console stays locked to Romulans.
With this change, it just further homogenizes Romulans.. they need to still have something that makes them special or desirable to play. Use of the Valdore console is one small thing, some consoles like DPRM, the biggest is obviously SRO Officers. Now that anyone can fly a Scimitar I am hoping that some things stay Romulan.
We'll see.
The storyline.
Just like all the other "factions."
They still got the ability to go full SRO boffs
and I doubt this exclusivity will be taken away because it would defeat the need for the npc that sells the SRO to others in Embassy Holding
You lost 40 subsystem power by default and you're in a more fragile shell of a ship.
Excepting the Scimitars and the Temporal Warbird (warship), the warbirds aren't comparing in performance with other fed/kdf ships.
This is more like a release and unification of limited content.
Certain ships will remain rom-only, as some ships are fed-only.
if you say so.
l don't know.
l really don't know what l'm about to say, except l have a feeling about it.
That l must repeat the words that come without my knowledge.'
And does it really matter whom flies what? I mean, you don't really interact with other players in pvp matches, you only see their ship. Yes, you do see a small avatar of their character on the team stats, but that's it. The only big change I feel will be more Romulan ships outside of ESD.
matter of opinion.
2.5% chance to heal shields when doing pew pew.
if tac consoles became universal... folks would be flying with 11 tac consoles.
That is matter of opinion too though
I would never use 11 tac consoles even on my tac toons
As it should be.
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Feds can now have C-Store Miracle Worker cruisers that aren't fugly as all get out, with a battle cloak to boot. Viva la revolución!
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I'd be much happier, if they let the Romulan's wear either the uniforms of the faction they've allied with.
Something that would get me to play one of my Romulan again is being able to use the fed lifetime ship on one. Last time I tried I could only get the Romulan bird thing. Don’t get me wrong I’m sure there are a few people that love to get inside old Toucan Sam and ride him around, but I can’t bring myself to do it. At least not until they make it so the wings flap up and down in sector space. As somebody pointed out being able to have my Romulans wear their allied faction outfits would go a long way here also.
The design concept in which they create a KDF, a FED, and a ROM ship which are essentially identical no longer makes much sense. The 3pack made sense when you were hoping that people had all three factions. With Romulan ships no longer being Romulan-only, there's very little reason for someone to buy the 3pack. You can buy 2 ships and all 3 factions will have access to them.
This being the case, here's what I'd like to see happen.
A total change in the way C-Store ships are done. Drop the 3 identical ships concept entirely. Rotate the three factions. FED gets a ship, then KDF, then ROM. The FED ships will serve 2 factions, the KDF ships will serve 2 factions, and the ROM ships will serve all 3 factions. Doing this would free up design space as they wouldn't constantly be creating 3 ships. And then, I'd add a 4th piece to the cycle. Non-aligned ships. These would be ships that were available to all 3 factions and would allow them to do unusual things from time to time. I've always thought it strange that there were no non-aligned ships in the C-Store.
Does this do anything to help with emersion? Nope. That's dead. Let's embrace it and move on to making what's left better.
Exactly right.
I get that some players would drop a console like this in favor of a more damage oriented one, I have done this as well.. but if you're looking to build a more well rounded build with some survivability, the Valdore console is crazy good. Is it the best console in the game? no.. does it suck? absolutely not. For something that comes on a T4 ship, it's a really good console.
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There's actually 4 factions total. Federation, Klingon, Romulan & Jem'hadar.
As far as your thinking goes, I think you're confusing something here. I think you are thinking that if you buy a Federation ship and a Romulan ship, then all the factions can use them. Technically speaking, 3 of the 4 can. Federation and Klingon characters are still restricted that they can fly their own ships, Romulan and Jem'hadar Vanguard ships, but not all faction ships.
As I said above, Jem'hadar/Dominion faction also exists.
Unlike the situation we had with the the Romulans and the expansion to 3 ship packs, they aren't quite going back to fill out Jem 'hadar ships for say the Command Battlecruisers, Miracle Worker cruisers, Pilot ships, or the Multi-Mission Science vessel packs. As of right now, the Jem'hadar are the only faction that do not have their own full spec Intel, Command, Pilot or Miracle worker ships. Temporal used to be included, but they got that now. There are people who want both Jem'hadar and Romulan ships to be produced more.