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victorup3victorup3 Member Posts: 6 Arc User
Romulan Uniforms...… Why is it that Romulan captains who are aligned with KDF have access to KDF uniforms BUT Romulan aligned with FED DO NOT have access to FED uniforms?????

A plea to devs, make it so!

I have no problem making c store purchases, no doubt I've spent way to much money on this game but it doesn't bother me because this is a good game and it's Star Trek but I would like to see those purchases go further. Especially when it comes to uniforms.

Again, a plea to devs, make it so!
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  • tyler002tyler002 Member Posts: 1,586 Arc User
    Which doesn't explain why the Federation Jem'Hadar Boffs from the C-Store don't have the proper uniform options available, unlike the C-Store Klingons which have the full array of Starfleet costumes or the KDF Joined Trill having full access to Klingon costumes.

    Dominion/Romulan players and Diplomacy boffs have the "not in Starfleet" excuse, but the C-Store officers have none.
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  • victorup3victorup3 Member Posts: 6 Arc User
    victorup3 wrote: »
    Romulan Uniforms...… Why is it that Romulan captains who are aligned with KDF have access to KDF uniforms BUT Romulan aligned with FED DO NOT have access to FED uniforms?????
    According to Cryptic its because of IP reasons.

    "Fed uniforms" are Starfleet Uniforms, and since the Romulans, Jem'Hadar, and other allied species aren't part of the Federation, and aren't in Starfleet, only allied to them, so CBS doesn't want them wearing Starfleet uniforms since they aren't in Starfleet.

    I guess I should have been clearer, I was primarily thinking of non direct Starfleet uniforms, like the mirror uniform and some of the lobi store costumes like the Tholian robe.
  • warpangelwarpangel Member Posts: 9,427 Arc User
    victorup3 wrote: »
    Romulan Uniforms...… Why is it that Romulan captains who are aligned with KDF have access to KDF uniforms BUT Romulan aligned with FED DO NOT have access to FED uniforms?????
    According to Cryptic its because of IP reasons.

    "Fed uniforms" are Starfleet Uniforms, and since the Romulans, Jem'Hadar, and other allied species aren't part of the Federation, and aren't in Starfleet, only allied to them, so CBS doesn't want them wearing Starfleet uniforms since they aren't in Starfleet.
    A whole lot more outfits than just Starfleet uniforms are locked to Fed for whatever reason.
  • markhawkmanmarkhawkman Member Posts: 35,236 Arc User
    warpangel wrote: »
    victorup3 wrote: »
    Romulan Uniforms...… Why is it that Romulan captains who are aligned with KDF have access to KDF uniforms BUT Romulan aligned with FED DO NOT have access to FED uniforms?????
    According to Cryptic its because of IP reasons.

    "Fed uniforms" are Starfleet Uniforms, and since the Romulans, Jem'Hadar, and other allied species aren't part of the Federation, and aren't in Starfleet, only allied to them, so CBS doesn't want them wearing Starfleet uniforms since they aren't in Starfleet.
    A whole lot more outfits than just Starfleet uniforms are locked to Fed for whatever reason.
    Which ones? It'd help if you explained this.
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  • jrdobbsjr#3264 jrdobbsjr Member Posts: 431 Arc User
    > @tyler002 said:
    > Which doesn't explain why the Federation Jem'Hadar Boffs from the C-Store don't have the proper uniform options available, unlike the C-Store Klingons which have the full array of Starfleet costumes or the KDF Joined Trill having full access to Klingon costumes.
    >
    > Dominion/Romulan players and Diplomacy boffs have the "not in Starfleet" excuse, but the C-Store officers have none.

    The C-Store Klingons are Federation citizens and commissioned Starfleet officers, a KDF Trill is presumed to be a KDF officer. A Fed’Hadar is still a Dominion officer like a FedRom is still a Republic citizen. It’s sillier than their presence in Starfleet is already, but they aren’t gonna change it....and apparently they can’t if they wanted to
  • warpangelwarpangel Member Posts: 9,427 Arc User
    edited May 2019
    warpangel wrote: »
    victorup3 wrote: »
    Romulan Uniforms...… Why is it that Romulan captains who are aligned with KDF have access to KDF uniforms BUT Romulan aligned with FED DO NOT have access to FED uniforms?????
    According to Cryptic its because of IP reasons.

    "Fed uniforms" are Starfleet Uniforms, and since the Romulans, Jem'Hadar, and other allied species aren't part of the Federation, and aren't in Starfleet, only allied to them, so CBS doesn't want them wearing Starfleet uniforms since they aren't in Starfleet.
    A whole lot more outfits than just Starfleet uniforms are locked to Fed for whatever reason.
    Which ones? It'd help if you explained this.
    -Andorian clothes
    -Tellarite clothes
    -Bajoran clothes
    -Terran Empire clothes, except for Lorca's vest and coat from the recent feature event
    -Ferengi clothes from the ferengi lockbox (but not ones from the DS9 lockbox)
    -The tholian silk robe from the tholian lockbox
    -The outfits of various non-uniformed characters, such as Troi and T'Pol (Seven of Nine's outfit was unlocked at some point...except the face implants which are still Fed-only)

    Possibly more, I only did a quick look through the C-Store and lobi store.
  • tyler002tyler002 Member Posts: 1,586 Arc User
    edited May 2019
    jrdobbs wrote:
    A Fed’Hadar is still a Dominion officer like a FedRom is still a Republic citizen.

    Not really, there is no backstory or origin for them at all and they have no alliegence. As I said, unlike Romulan players and exchange boffs, there is no attempt to excuse the TRIBBLE tailor restrictions.

    The entire description is:
    Reclaim three Very Rare Jem'Hadar Vanguard Bridge Officers for every character on your account. Available only to purchasers of the Gamma Vanguard Pack.
    No excuse given whatsoever.
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  • markhawkmanmarkhawkman Member Posts: 35,236 Arc User
    warpangel wrote: »
    -Andorian clothesFed member
    -Tellarite clothesFed member
    -Bajoran clothesFed member
    -Terran Empire clothes, except for Lorca's vest and coat from the recent feature eventMirror duplicate of Fed uniforms
    -Ferengi clothes from the ferengi lockbox (but not ones from the DS9 lockbox)
    -The tholian silk robe from the tholian lockbox
    -The outfits of various non-uniformed characters, such as Troi and T'Pol Fed member
    (Seven of Nine's outfit was unlocked at some point...except the face implants which are still Fed-only)

    Possibly more, I only did a quick look through the C-Store and lobi store.
    Well, some of those make sense to be cross-faction.
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  • warpangelwarpangel Member Posts: 9,427 Arc User
    warpangel wrote: »
    -Andorian clothesFed member
    -Tellarite clothesFed member
    -Bajoran clothesFed member
    -Terran Empire clothes, except for Lorca's vest and coat from the recent feature eventMirror duplicate of Fed uniforms
    -Ferengi clothes from the ferengi lockbox (but not ones from the DS9 lockbox)
    -The tholian silk robe from the tholian lockbox
    -The outfits of various non-uniformed characters, such as Troi and T'Pol Fed member
    (Seven of Nine's outfit was unlocked at some point...except the face implants which are still Fed-only)

    Possibly more, I only did a quick look through the C-Store and lobi store.
    Well, some of those make sense to be cross-faction.
    "Fed member" is not the same as "Starfleet uniform." A lot of "Fed member" clothes are unlocked.

    Nor are all Terran uniforms "duplicates" of Starfleet uniforms by any reasonable measure. For example, the sports bra of the TOS females or the golden regalia in Discovery.

    And I wouldn't use the term "make sense" for locking Starfleet uniforms either, given we're otherwise free to use foreign uniforms at will. It's just an arbitrary directive by CBS.
  • elvnswordselvnswords Member Posts: 184 Arc User
    Also, under the Federation Charter, foreign powers consigned to aid Star Fleet are themselves folded into the Fleet, and are subject to all the benefits and restrictions coherent to their rank. This is Canon to the shows with characters like the Bajoran, Major Kira Nerys, being subject to a Captain's orders, and folded into their ranks in times of conflict.

    I don't have a problem with the uniforms for the Fed Aligned Roms, but ensuring they are up to par with the equivalent uniforms and having third party uniforms such as the Fed Aligned member race uniforms available should be a thing.

    Speaking in canon to the shows, Federation officers are seen in Klingon Armor on several occasions, there is no real reason to do this other than limiting OUR play style and imagination of our play. I would if I had my Druthers have an unlocked Tailor system, allowing you to appear how you liked, giving control to the player. Yes that means we would see a few wild out there costumes, but it also means we would have far more play and RP options in how our characters dress, leading to more sales of costume slots... (keyword: SALES!!!!)

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  • baddmoonrizinbaddmoonrizin Member Posts: 10,894 Community Moderator
    I believe, Kira later wore a Starfleet uniform during the Dominion War while working with the Cardassian resistance, but I also believe she was given a Starfleet commission to do so.
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  • rattler2rattler2 Member, Star Trek Online Moderator Posts: 58,572 Community Moderator
    I believe, Kira later wore a Starfleet uniform during the Dominion War while working with the Cardassian resistance, but I also believe she was given a Starfleet commission to do so.

    She was given a commission as a Commander if I remember correctly. Main reason was, while she is an expert on resistance efforts, the idea of a Bajoran Militia officer helping the Cardassians was a powder keg wating to go off due to history between Cardassia and Bajor. So the solution was to make her a Starfleet Officer, thus no longer representing Bajor alone.

    And as we see in ViL, she reactivates that commission and holds the rank of Captain after stepping down as Kai.
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  • ltminnsltminns Member Posts: 12,572 Arc User
    The Seven of Nine Uniform can be used by all Factions Female Characters except Liberated Borg KDF Boffs. They just will not move off their inherent Borg Outfit when selecting Tight.
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    l don't know.
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    That l must repeat the words that come without my knowledge.'
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  • warpangelwarpangel Member Posts: 9,427 Arc User
    elvnswords wrote: »
    Also, under the Federation Charter, foreign powers consigned to aid Star Fleet are themselves folded into the Fleet, and are subject to all the benefits and restrictions coherent to their rank. This is Canon to the shows with characters like the Bajoran, Major Kira Nerys, being subject to a Captain's orders, and folded into their ranks in times of conflict.
    This ignores that Bajor was directly under Federation protection at the time, and wasn't just some allied power.

    Not to mention Kira still didn't wear a Starfleet uniform because she wasn't part of Starfleet.
    Kira didn't wear a jem'hadar uniform, either. But we do.

    "Not part of Starfleet" doesn't really mean much in the context of characters that already can and do wear the uniforms of a bazillion militaries that they're not part of. We can't wear Starfleet uniforms, because CBS said so. No other reason.
    rattler2 wrote: »
    I believe, Kira later wore a Starfleet uniform during the Dominion War while working with the Cardassian resistance, but I also believe she was given a Starfleet commission to do so.

    She was given a commission as a Commander if I remember correctly. Main reason was, while she is an expert on resistance efforts, the idea of a Bajoran Militia officer helping the Cardassians was a powder keg wating to go off due to history between Cardassia and Bajor. So the solution was to make her a Starfleet Officer, thus no longer representing Bajor alone.

    And as we see in ViL, she reactivates that commission and holds the rank of Captain after stepping down as Kai.
    And if they could pull a Starfleet commission for Kira out of their butts the moment it was politically convenient, so could the Player Characters.

    What is that whole "choosing an ally" ritual supposed to be if not a commission, anyway?
    ltminns wrote: »
    The Seven of Nine Uniform can be used by all Factions Female Characters except Liberated Borg KDF Boffs. They just will not move off their inherent Borg Outfit when selecting Tight.
    The clothes can be used by all. The hand implant can be used by all. The face implants are Fed-only. Guess which one is the most interesting part?
  • tyler002tyler002 Member Posts: 1,586 Arc User
    I don't personally care about player characters, I just want the Jem'Hadar Boffs (that require the £100 Gamma Vanguard Pack to aquire) to be able to wear the uniform of the military they serve (Starfleet, the KDF or the Romulan Republic) and not be forced constantly cosplay as one of Odo's personal guard (and I mean Odo's personal guard, not Dominion soldiers because they still don't even have access to regular Jem'Hadar uniforms).

    £100 and I can't even give the Boffs the uniform to match the backstory I give them... why even make them useable by non-Dominion players at all if you're going to force only a Dominion uniform on something paid for with real money?

    You don't see KDF joined Trill being forced into wearing only Starfleet uniforms just because the Trill are a Federation member race or Federation Klingons being forced into wearing nothing but Klingon battle armour just because the Klingon race is a part of the KDF.
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  • ltminnsltminns Member Posts: 12,572 Arc User
    edited May 2019
    I hope it is not the face Implant. What is the point of being Liberated if you cannot remove the abominations that you were given when you were assimilated? ;)

    It is the same thing with eyepatches. With the advancement of medical science by this time there is no need for one.
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    'As l speak now, the words are forming in my head.
    l don't know.
    l really don't know what l'm about to say, except l have a feeling about it.
    That l must repeat the words that come without my knowledge.'
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  • tyler002tyler002 Member Posts: 1,586 Arc User
    ltminns wrote: »
    It is the same thing with eyepatches. With the advancement of medical science by this time there is no need for one.

    Try telling that to the Klingons.
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  • phoenixc#0738 phoenixc Member Posts: 5,834 Arc User
    Being able to use any clothing would be nice for roleplay, but the game really does not support or encourage much in the way of roleplay, possibly because few actually do it full out (though many like to get in-character to some degree even without active roleplay).

    Also, the 'alien' character type (for those factions that have it) is flexible enough to get around that problem from the other side most of the time, like 'alien' based Vorta (and Cardassians before they were made playable) that you see on ESD or Drozana occasionally. With the way they make a single cross-faction ship as the prize for the summer, winter, and anniversary events instead of a box that spawns as a ship specific to a character's faction it is only really a problem if you want to use race specific character traits (like Orion pheromones or whatever) or something else (like a faction specific ship) that is not available to 'aliens' of other factions.
  • markhawkmanmarkhawkman Member Posts: 35,236 Arc User
    warpangel wrote: »
    warpangel wrote: »
    -Andorian clothesFed member
    -Tellarite clothesFed member
    -Bajoran clothesFed member
    -Terran Empire clothes, except for Lorca's vest and coat from the recent feature eventMirror duplicate of Fed uniforms
    -Ferengi clothes from the ferengi lockbox (but not ones from the DS9 lockbox)
    -The tholian silk robe from the tholian lockbox
    -The outfits of various non-uniformed characters, such as Troi and T'Pol Fed member
    (Seven of Nine's outfit was unlocked at some point...except the face implants which are still Fed-only)

    Possibly more, I only did a quick look through the C-Store and lobi store.
    Well, some of those make sense to be cross-faction.
    "Fed member" is not the same as "Starfleet uniform." A lot of "Fed member" clothes are unlocked.

    Nor are all Terran uniforms "duplicates" of Starfleet uniforms by any reasonable measure. For example, the sports bra of the TOS females or the golden regalia in Discovery.

    And I wouldn't use the term "make sense" for locking Starfleet uniforms either, given we're otherwise free to use foreign uniforms at will. It's just an arbitrary directive by CBS.
    If you try you can make Terran uniforms look pretty close to Fed stuff.

    And again, it's about faction identity. These are fed outfits, those are KDF outfits, etc...
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  • jonsillsjonsills Member Posts: 10,459 Arc User
    tyler002 wrote: »
    ltminns wrote: »
    It is the same thing with eyepatches. With the advancement of medical science by this time there is no need for one.

    Try telling that to the Klingons.

    Klingons wear their scars with pride. Regenerating a lost eye implies that the Klingon doesn't consider his actions when losing the eye to be honorable.
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  • anodynesanodynes Member Posts: 1,999 Arc User
    tyler002 wrote: »
    jrdobbs wrote:
    A Fed’Hadar is still a Dominion officer like a FedRom is still a Republic citizen.

    Not really, there is no backstory or origin for them at all and they have no alliegence. As I said, unlike Romulan players and exchange boffs, there is no attempt to excuse the TRIBBLE tailor restrictions.

    The entire description is:
    Reclaim three Very Rare Jem'Hadar Vanguard Bridge Officers for every character on your account. Available only to purchasers of the Gamma Vanguard Pack.
    No excuse given whatsoever.

    Honestly, there's no excuse given for the Diplomacy/Marauding BOffs, the Embassy BOffs, the Liberated Borg Romulan Lobi store BOff, the Hierarchy BOff, etc. not being able to use the uniforms of the factions that commissioned them as crew members, and gave them their ranks in the service of their faction that they hold. It's just another arbitrary restriction. I can only see the restriction being necessary for Breen and Holgraphic BOffs of specific people. For every other case, BOffs should be able to wear the uniforms of the faction of the player that commissioned them.
    This is an MMO, not a Star Trek episode simulator. That would make for a terrible game.
  • ltminnsltminns Member Posts: 12,572 Arc User
    There are restrictions to Boffs that represent 'real' people as well. Most no editing at all. The EMH (Doctor) does allow Uniform changes but not appearance changes.
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    Judge Dan Haywood
    'As l speak now, the words are forming in my head.
    l don't know.
    l really don't know what l'm about to say, except l have a feeling about it.
    That l must repeat the words that come without my knowledge.'
    Lt. Philip J. Minns
  • warpangelwarpangel Member Posts: 9,427 Arc User
    anodynes wrote: »
    tyler002 wrote: »
    jrdobbs wrote:
    A Fed’Hadar is still a Dominion officer like a FedRom is still a Republic citizen.

    Not really, there is no backstory or origin for them at all and they have no alliegence. As I said, unlike Romulan players and exchange boffs, there is no attempt to excuse the TRIBBLE tailor restrictions.

    The entire description is:
    Reclaim three Very Rare Jem'Hadar Vanguard Bridge Officers for every character on your account. Available only to purchasers of the Gamma Vanguard Pack.
    No excuse given whatsoever.

    Honestly, there's no excuse given for the Diplomacy/Marauding BOffs, the Embassy BOffs, the Liberated Borg Romulan Lobi store BOff, the Hierarchy BOff, etc. not being able to use the uniforms of the factions that commissioned them as crew members, and gave them their ranks in the service of their faction that they hold. It's just another arbitrary restriction. I can only see the restriction being necessary for Breen and Holgraphic BOffs of specific people. For every other case, BOffs should be able to wear the uniforms of the faction of the player that commissioned them.
    Arbitrary is indeed the operational word there.

    -Diplomacy boff is allowed the uniform of the faction it comes from
    -Marauder boff is allowed the uniforms of the player's faction
    -Embassy boff is not allowed any faction uniform, unless the player is romulan themselves (or to be precise, it would technically be allowed to wear them, but since the Republic uniforms must be unlocked per-character by playing the romulan faction missions which non-romulan characters aren't allowed to play, non-roms can't actually dress it in them)
    -The kobali boff is allowed a Starfleet uniform, regardless of player faction

    And yeah, no particular reason for the hierarchy, jem'hadar, reman, etc mission reward boffs being uncustomizable (especially the hierarchy one as it actually is customizable if you got it as soon as the mission was released, it was only made uncustomizable after the fact...for whatever reason they didn't explain).

    Of course, everyone is allowed to wear the Dominion uniforms. The blatant hypocrisy of Cryptic taking Fed uniforms away from jem'hadar players because "not part of Starfleet," while leaving the jem'hadar uniforms available to Feds. Apparently, the Federation IS part of the Dominion. :p
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