Do you think Jayce could swing by and help the devs fix the game? If something isnt done, I think your people arent going to want to play a brokenm game with cool looking ships
> @marty123#3757 said:
> I know it’s disappointing that we have to wait even longer for Romulan ships, but to be honest I’m glad Discovery won’t be using Romulans as they’re not supposed to be interacted with at that point in time and the Disco writers would just ruin them anyway.
Considering Starfleet lost most of its ships to the Klingorcs Earth should be preparing to welcome their new Romulan overlords at this point. I fail to see how they could stop them given the utter incompetence Starfleet Command displayed in the late war.
They did NOT lose most of their ships. What was stated was they had lost 1/3 of the fleet prior to the time that Discovery arrived back in the prime universe. That leaves still most of the fleet intact, how ever many ships that may be. We know that the Discovery, the Enterprise, and the Defiant, along with a number of Constitution class ships out there as part of the fleet.
I hate Discovery with every fiber of my being, but I do honestly like the Shepard-class so I'm probably going to pick up the Gagarin-class. Personally though I always thought it would be more appropriate to call these ships 22nd-century starships. Considering how they look like a continuation of the NX-era more than they do REAL 23rd-century designs, I assumed they were older designs built sometime in the later 22nd-century. It's not unreasonable when you consider that late 23rd-century designs like the Excelsior and Miranda-classes continued to operation into the 24th-century.
So for example if the Shepard and Walker-classes were from the late 22nd-century, then their 23rd-century counterparts would be the Ranger and Perseus-classes.
Edit: Oh and it's funny you made the Georgiou-class a competitor to the Excelsior-class. In my head canon, the USS Vengeance from Into Darkness was a competitor to the Excelsior-class and was ultimately rejected. Although at the time it was called the "Vigilance-class" and only became the Vengeance after Admiral Marcus stole the prototype and modified it for his own nefarious plans. A Vengeance-class variant in the style of the TMP era ships would actually be really cool ship for STO. You could even call it the Vigilance. You can have that one for free
I am now kicking myself for getting the Europa...even if she was on sale. I've been waiting for that Shepard class. I'll have to pony up again for the Gagarin.
I rather liked the touch of having Klingon reunification as the reason for standardization of ship designs, and that the less elaborate KDF vessels were more easily mass produced. Just tie that into the pretensions of glory possessed by T'Kuvma and his followers for why they use such Baroque designs, and you have an explanation that would have preempted most objections to Discovery's design aesthetic early on. This is an excellent example of how one can play with and introduce creative ideas into established canon, and not rip it to shreds in the process. Well played, Cryptic, well played.
I second that, it was a brilliant touch.
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> @kodachikuno said:
> oh look again no warbirds.... wallet remains closed then... pity shepard was on my list of things to get, that and the cardenas..
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> If Scopely can whip up KT based romulan designs for the 23c I'm pretty sure Cryptic can do a few TRIBBLE era ones too. So that 'no reference' excuse doesn't fly with me.
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> really guys? yer gonna replace TRIBBLE with 'tribble'?
It may be a case of CBS not allowing them to make Discovery era Romulan ships
Might also be a matter of CBS planning to have Roms in Discovery at some point, and not wanting spoilers to show up in STO. That said, I'm still not buying any more c-store ships myself, until Romulans start getting more even representation. There are still several previous Fed and KDF ships for which Roms were given no parity. Fill those out, in the meantime.
My only compliant, if the Georgiou is a contemporary of the Excelsior, NCC-21300 is too high, minus a zero and it would fit better. Yes, I know.
Aye, Defiant and Voyager should have never been given a 5 digit number. Feds should only have 4 digits.
You've missed the point and you're quite wrong. The Excelsior is NCC-2000 in the 2280's. So it just makes sense that a ship that was near to it in that point in time should have a closer registry number.
And as Starfleet makes more vessels, the numbers do go up. That's why they were using 5 digits by the latter 24th century. Only starships that are given the same number and name as before, get to use the same digits, with the letter designation next to it. (Example: The first Enterprise in the mid 22nd century was NX-01..notice there's not 4 numbers there? Starfleet has never always used just four numbers.)
By the start of the 23rd century enough ships had been constructed after the Romulan War that they were in the three digit numbers, NCC-100 to 500's of the Daedalus class comes to mind. Then by the mid 23rd they were at 4. By the 24th century many ships were starting to get 5 digit registry numbers as they passed the NCC-9999 and hit the NCC-10000 mark. With so many starships launched and lost every year, it gets larger and larger.
They do not recycle registry numbers and just reset them every century. They don't even always give the same ship name the same registry number. (The USS Honshu was one such ship, as was the USS Defiant) So, by the latter 25th century expect many non-legacy (1701-G for instance) starships with a six digit registry number: NCC-100000 will have been the first, and is probably going to be out in another year at this rate of wars of losses in-game. If it hasn't been released already.
Anywho, back to the ships and not people without behind the scenes Trek knowledge making comments.
Seems interesting. I've always though these ships made more sense in the 25th century, given that DIS is horrible with canon (and just should come out as the bad reboot it is) let alone far too too advanced for the time period. So, I welcome them as STO ships for the game, as always. Make use of a good design and all that. But also glad some late 23rd century contemporaries are being included, not just DIS stuff.
> @asadir#3274 said: > Still no romulan ships ...For all those who say that because it's Discovery all i have to say is ...T'laru.
Ah, but precedent was set in the Kelvin Timeline. When Nero showed up in the past, the Federation got into contact with the Romulan Star Empire. This contact with the RSE broke the silence that had been in place since Archer's time and was extensive enough that a Starfleet cadet (Uhura) was able to learn all the dialects of the Romulan language. Therefore, it is not unreasonable to suggest that Starfleet had also seen a Romulan ship as well, and the devs used that idea (or one similar) to justify creating the T'laru.
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Things I want in STO:
1) More character customization options such as more clothing options, letting the toon complexion affect the entire body, not just the head. Also a true RGB color picker applied to all costume and appearance options, which would allow for true appearance customization and homogenous colors instead of "this same exact color looks vastly different on two different pieces."
2) Bridge customization, not bridge packs. Let us pick a general layout and adjust the color palette, console appearance, and chair types, as well as more ready room layout options.
3) Customizable ground weapons, i.e. The aesthetic look of phaser dual pistols but they shoot antiproton bolts. For obvious reasons this would only apply to standard ground weapons.
4) For the love of Q please revamp Plasma Ground Weapons. They look like demented Supersoakers right now.
5) True Vanity Impulse and Deflector effects similar to Vanity Shields.
6) A greater payout for hitting T6 Reputations. Currently it takes more time and resources to get from T5 to T6 than it does to get from nothing to T5. Make that grind really pay out at the end.
7) Mirrorverse Refugee event similar to AoY/Delta/Gamma, complete with new Mirrorverse recruits for all factions.
8) Independent Faction, because yo ho yo ho a pirate's life for me!
i know theres no contact betwen romulans and the federation in the tv-show, but we don't fly these ships in the 23th century, we fly them in the 25th century. federation and romulans are allied!
Very pretty ship shots, as usual. Not much interested in the 25th century versions of these classes, though, waiting for the T6 version of the Cardenas-class instead.
Also, no DSC-themed bridges for the Klingon ships, I'm guessing. Not even sure if they ever showed one in the show outside of the Sarcophagus'.
> @genhauk said: > Betting the U.S.S. Georgiou is an Excelsior skin version of the Sheppard ... possibly for a fleet version. > > Going off the curves you can see on the lower saucer there.
> @genhauk said: > Betting the U.S.S. Georgiou is an Excelsior skin version of the Sheppard ... possibly for a fleet version. > > Going off the curves you can see on the lower saucer there.
The Georgiou is to the Excelsior, what the Nebua is to the Galaxy.
Unfortunately for the Romulan lovers, the newest and best ship in the Romulan fleet during the Discovery era is already in STO and has been for a very long time: the T'Liss.
The Georgiou is to the Excelsior, what the Nebua is to the Galaxy.
Nebula is NOT a battlecruiser.
Nor is the Georgiou anymore it would seem.
For their part, Georgiou and her sister ships were refit after the Khitomer Accords outlined strict limitations for fleet composition between Starfleet and the Klingon Defense Force. That refit removed the guts of her heavy weapons systems, and she was reclassified as a light exploration cruiser. Her experimental engines remained, providing a capable platform for fast response and long-range exploration.
The Georgiou and Excelsior were intended for the same role, but with different ways of achieving it.
At the time, the Excelsior and Georgiou were realizations of competing philosophies in the Federation Admiralty: a choice between smaller ships with concentrated firepower(my guess this would be the Georgiou), or a continuation of Starfleet’s investment in large cruisers designed for a variety of missions (the Excelsior).
I'm still hoping they are going to do a bundle with a Cruiser, Escort and Science ship instead of three variations of a single type. I could be completely wrong, but I hope I'm not. I'm kind of tired of buying packs of ships with variants of one type. I pick the one that best suits my play style and the other two never get used after unlocking the trait/Admiralty card since they are essentially the same ship just with slight changes in seating and consoles. This way, I would have three totally different ships and who knows, maybe I'd end up liking more than one of them.
Time will tell.
Edit - It seems there is a new bundle alright, but not what I was expecting. And it seems my hopes of a 3 pack for each side is dead. Oh well, it is what it is.
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It may be a case of CBS not allowing them to make Discovery era Romulan ships
Might also be a matter of CBS planning to have Roms in Discovery at some point, and not wanting spoilers to show up in STO. That said, I'm still not buying any more c-store ships myself, until Romulans start getting more even representation. There are still several previous Fed and KDF ships for which Roms were given no parity. Fill those out, in the meantime.
you live in a wonderfully optimistic world qqqqii, I genuinely hope you are right
while I find the prospect of new ships tantalizing, I feel it needs to be said the Nova should have gotten its Visual Update at the very least, BEFORE DIS/DSC/TRIBBLE took over all STO development. If the Nova (and other neglected yet often-demanded ships) don't get released before whatever Next Big Thing to dominate STO after the DSC arcs conclude, there will be riots.
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They did NOT lose most of their ships. What was stated was they had lost 1/3 of the fleet prior to the time that Discovery arrived back in the prime universe. That leaves still most of the fleet intact, how ever many ships that may be. We know that the Discovery, the Enterprise, and the Defiant, along with a number of Constitution class ships out there as part of the fleet.
So for example if the Shepard and Walker-classes were from the late 22nd-century, then their 23rd-century counterparts would be the Ranger and Perseus-classes.
Edit: Oh and it's funny you made the Georgiou-class a competitor to the Excelsior-class. In my head canon, the USS Vengeance from Into Darkness was a competitor to the Excelsior-class and was ultimately rejected. Although at the time it was called the "Vigilance-class" and only became the Vengeance after Admiral Marcus stole the prototype and modified it for his own nefarious plans. A Vengeance-class variant in the style of the TMP era ships would actually be really cool ship for STO. You could even call it the Vigilance. You can have that one for free
I second that, it was a brilliant touch.
You've missed the point and you're quite wrong. The Excelsior is NCC-2000 in the 2280's. So it just makes sense that a ship that was near to it in that point in time should have a closer registry number.
And as Starfleet makes more vessels, the numbers do go up. That's why they were using 5 digits by the latter 24th century. Only starships that are given the same number and name as before, get to use the same digits, with the letter designation next to it. (Example: The first Enterprise in the mid 22nd century was NX-01..notice there's not 4 numbers there? Starfleet has never always used just four numbers.)
By the start of the 23rd century enough ships had been constructed after the Romulan War that they were in the three digit numbers, NCC-100 to 500's of the Daedalus class comes to mind. Then by the mid 23rd they were at 4. By the 24th century many ships were starting to get 5 digit registry numbers as they passed the NCC-9999 and hit the NCC-10000 mark. With so many starships launched and lost every year, it gets larger and larger.
They do not recycle registry numbers and just reset them every century. They don't even always give the same ship name the same registry number. (The USS Honshu was one such ship, as was the USS Defiant) So, by the latter 25th century expect many non-legacy (1701-G for instance) starships with a six digit registry number: NCC-100000 will have been the first, and is probably going to be out in another year at this rate of wars of losses in-game. If it hasn't been released already.
Anywho, back to the ships and not people without behind the scenes Trek knowledge making comments.
Seems interesting. I've always though these ships made more sense in the 25th century, given that DIS is horrible with canon (and just should come out as the bad reboot it is) let alone far too too advanced for the time period. So, I welcome them as STO ships for the game, as always. Make use of a good design and all that. But also glad some late 23rd century contemporaries are being included, not just DIS stuff.
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> Still no romulan ships ...For all those who say that because it's Discovery all i have to say is ...T'laru.
Ah, but precedent was set in the Kelvin Timeline. When Nero showed up in the past, the Federation got into contact with the Romulan Star Empire. This contact with the RSE broke the silence that had been in place since Archer's time and was extensive enough that a Starfleet cadet (Uhura) was able to learn all the dialects of the Romulan language. Therefore, it is not unreasonable to suggest that Starfleet had also seen a Romulan ship as well, and the devs used that idea (or one similar) to justify creating the T'laru.
Things I want in STO:
1) More character customization options such as more clothing options, letting the toon complexion affect the entire body, not just the head. Also a true RGB color picker applied to all costume and appearance options, which would allow for true appearance customization and homogenous colors instead of "this same exact color looks vastly different on two different pieces."
2) Bridge customization, not bridge packs. Let us pick a general layout and adjust the color palette, console appearance, and chair types, as well as more ready room layout options.
3) Customizable ground weapons, i.e. The aesthetic look of phaser dual pistols but they shoot antiproton bolts. For obvious reasons this would only apply to standard ground weapons.
4) For the love of Q please revamp Plasma Ground Weapons. They look like demented Supersoakers right now.
5) True Vanity Impulse and Deflector effects similar to Vanity Shields.
6) A greater payout for hitting T6 Reputations. Currently it takes more time and resources to get from T5 to T6 than it does to get from nothing to T5. Make that grind really pay out at the end.
7) Mirrorverse Refugee event similar to AoY/Delta/Gamma, complete with new Mirrorverse recruits for all factions.
8) Independent Faction, because yo ho yo ho a pirate's life for me!
Also, no DSC-themed bridges for the Klingon ships, I'm guessing. Not even sure if they ever showed one in the show outside of the Sarcophagus'.
Going off the curves you can see on the lower saucer there.
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> Betting the U.S.S. Georgiou is an Excelsior skin version of the Sheppard ... possibly for a fleet version.
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> Going off the curves you can see on the lower saucer there.
> @genhauk said:
> Betting the U.S.S. Georgiou is an Excelsior skin version of the Sheppard ... possibly for a fleet version.
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> Going off the curves you can see on the lower saucer there.
The Georgiou is to the Excelsior, what the Nebua is to the Galaxy.
Nebula is NOT a battlecruiser.
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Nor is the Georgiou anymore it would seem.
The Georgiou and Excelsior were intended for the same role, but with different ways of achieving it.
I'm still hoping they are going to do a bundle with a Cruiser, Escort and Science ship instead of three variations of a single type. I could be completely wrong, but I hope I'm not. I'm kind of tired of buying packs of ships with variants of one type. I pick the one that best suits my play style and the other two never get used after unlocking the trait/Admiralty card since they are essentially the same ship just with slight changes in seating and consoles. This way, I would have three totally different ships and who knows, maybe I'd end up liking more than one of them.
Time will tell.
Edit - It seems there is a new bundle alright, but not what I was expecting. And it seems my hopes of a 3 pack for each side is dead. Oh well, it is what it is.
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