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nixie50nixie50 Member Posts: 1,347 Arc User
I decided to slap together a tactical ship, using cannons, CSV1 BOL3, FAW 1 APB1 TS3 CRF3, with EP2S1, ST2 and TSS3, HE1 and ET2
without additional hull heals she is very fragile, far more fragile than Defiant, but then again I ahve not even completed the first level of ship mastery.
the Lafeyette is definitely a blast to fly, flexible, maneuverable and pretty kick butt in firepower. I think I'll lose the cannons, go strictly beams, and use the uni slot to beef up engineering. Oh, and for those who ask, yes the NO skin is avaliable.
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  • leemwatsonleemwatson Member Posts: 5,504 Arc User
    nixie50 wrote: »
    I decided to slap together a tactical ship, using cannons, CSV1 BOL3, FAW 1 APB1 TS3 CRF3, with EP2S1, ST2 and TSS3, HE1 and ET2
    without additional hull heals she is very fragile, far more fragile than Defiant, but then again I ahve not even completed the first level of ship mastery.
    the Lafeyette is definitely a blast to fly, flexible, maneuverable and pretty kick butt in firepower. I think I'll lose the cannons, go strictly beams, and use the uni slot to beef up engineering. Oh, and for those who ask, yes the NO skin is avaliable.

    Totally disagree about her being fragile. I found her to be sturdy enough for an escort/destroyer, but I will get the Fleet version anyway. Even with 2 Armour consoles I had her Rez at 45%ish and HP about 67k with 18k shields from the Assimilated set, and that's before working the masteries. She's a wee beasty though with enough flexibility to suit any career.
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  • steaensteaen Member Posts: 646 Arc User
    Loving my Fleet one - nice and sturdy, packs a punch, allows for a decent variety of BOFF setups and aesthetically its a derivative of the Galaxy, which is my personal favourite iconic Trek ship. Pretty much an all-round win for me.

    The only thing I'd change would be to be able to have it with no mission pods - personally I like the ones on the top, but the one on the bottom just looks awkward to me. It's a tiny negative though, and I can't seriously argue it as it is canonically accurate.
  • nixie50nixie50 Member Posts: 1,347 Arc User
    leemwatson wrote: »
    nixie50 wrote: »
    I decided to slap together a tactical ship, using cannons, CSV1 BOL3, FAW 1 APB1 TS3 CRF3, with EP2S1, ST2 and TSS3, HE1 and ET2
    without additional hull heals she is very fragile, far more fragile than Defiant, but then again I ahve not even completed the first level of ship mastery.
    the Lafeyette is definitely a blast to fly, flexible, maneuverable and pretty kick butt in firepower. I think I'll lose the cannons, go strictly beams, and use the uni slot to beef up engineering. Oh, and for those who ask, yes the NO skin is avaliable.

    Totally disagree about her being fragile. I found her to be sturdy enough for an escort/destroyer, but I will get the Fleet version anyway. Even with 2 Armour consoles I had her Rez at 45%ish and HP about 67k with 18k shields from the Assimilated set, and that's before working the masteries. She's a wee beasty though with enough flexibility to suit any career.

    my build was not optimal going into it. i have a few "immick" consoles, including the one that comes with the ship and the delphic tear console. I think going to a beam boat and engy/intell will give me a third hull heal. just can't decide on a beam array or a DBB
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  • rattler2rattler2 Member, Star Trek Online Moderator Posts: 58,667 Community Moderator
    I put together a Phaser build on my main, so lots of available gear to choose from. Started with a basic phaser build with Discovey phasers and a couple armor consoles. Did pretty well.

    Followed that up by basically pushing as much Phaser damage as I could, having to sacrifice the armor consoles to do it and using my best phasers. So now I have the 2 piece Kelvin (Mining Laser and Proton Charge), Full Quantum Phase set (Quantum Torp/Beam Array/Console), and full Trilithium set (Omni/Console/Trico Torp), on top of the DOMINO and full load of Phaser Locators.

    Japori Normal got rekt. Beta Thoridar put up a bit of a fight but also got rekt.

    Haven't tried this build in Infected, but it does seem to perform pretty well in other areas. Using Intel Team in the Lt.Commander slot for the added defense to try and compensate for the lower hull rather than OSS, but I'm hitting things with Torp Spread 3, AP Beta, BFAW, and Kemosite 1.
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  • evilmark444evilmark444 Member Posts: 6,951 Arc User
    Anyone have pics of the TNG version?
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  • postinggumpostinggum Member Posts: 1,117 Arc User
    I have the Nandi, Boalg and Xyfius, so why should I want to pay for those?
  • slifox#0768 slifox Member Posts: 379 Arc User
    edited August 2018
    I bought the bundle. Tried the New Orleans first with the TNG skin. Looks great. I have my favorite DPS ships already, so I’ve been going on a different route with the other ships and am using the consoles and console sets more often. I like the console clicky. The ship is maneuverable, but with beams that doesn’t really matter all that much.

    To me, there doesn’t really seem to be a whole lot of variation with T6 ships that force you to really change your flying style (not counting beams vs cannons) unless you’re comparing a defiant vs something like a D’Deridex. The middle ground seems to be very well populated and these ships are in that category. I like the ships and their designs, but I keep feeling that I want something that’s somewhat more unique that forces me to change the way I have to fly the ship. Does that make sense at all?
  • postinggumpostinggum Member Posts: 1,117 Arc User
    They did release that summer rear weapon oddity.

    The middle ground can be a big ship with comp engines and eng boff abilities, and small ships can use damage resistance boosts, speed, disables and drain plus simple vaping to stay alive.
  • nixie50nixie50 Member Posts: 1,347 Arc User
    Anyone have pics of the TNG version?


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  • avoozuulavoozuul Member Posts: 3,215 Arc User
    edited August 2018
    I only don't like the deflector design on that material so I used another similar material but with the flash look to the deflector.
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  • asuran14asuran14 Member Posts: 2,335 Arc User
    How many of the parts available to the galaxy class does the Recon destroyer get access to? Also does it get access to some of the part designs of the Gal-x? Bought it though have not yet actually gotten to working with it just yet, but would be interesting if this had access to the Gal-x phaser spinal-lance thru some method.
  • slifox#0768 slifox Member Posts: 379 Arc User
    > @asuran14 said:
    > How many of the parts available to the galaxy class does the Recon destroyer get access to? Also does it get access to some of the part designs of the Gal-x? Bought it though have not yet actually gotten to working with it just yet, but would be interesting if this had access to the Gal-x phaser spinal-lance thru some method.

    The only parts that are interchangeable are that and the andromeda and you don’t have the option of getting rid of the “pen marker” parts.
  • peterconnorfirstpeterconnorfirst Member Posts: 6,225 Arc User
    > @asuran14 said:
    > How many of the parts available to the galaxy class does the Recon destroyer get access to? Also does it get access to some of the part designs of the Gal-x? Bought it though have not yet actually gotten to working with it just yet, but would be interesting if this had access to the Gal-x phaser spinal-lance thru some method.

    The only parts that are interchangeable are that and the andromeda and you don’t have the option of getting rid of the “pen marker” parts.

    By the way does anybody know what they are supposed to be for in Star Trek lore?
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  • asuran14asuran14 Member Posts: 2,335 Arc User
    > @asuran14 said:
    > How many of the parts available to the galaxy class does the Recon destroyer get access to? Also does it get access to some of the part designs of the Gal-x? Bought it though have not yet actually gotten to working with it just yet, but would be interesting if this had access to the Gal-x phaser spinal-lance thru some method.

    The only parts that are interchangeable are that and the andromeda and you don’t have the option of getting rid of the “pen marker” parts.

    Damn, well maybe they could open it up to be able to use more fo the Gal parts later on. I like some fo the other parts that the gal has access to.
  • avoozuulavoozuul Member Posts: 3,215 Arc User
    It won't ever get access to the spiral lance, part of the whole point of the third nacelle on the Galaxy X was to power the lance and the New Orleans only has two nacelles like the regular Galaxy class.
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  • evilmark444evilmark444 Member Posts: 6,951 Arc User
    avoozuul wrote: »
    It won't ever get access to the spiral lance, part of the whole point of the third nacelle on the Galaxy X was to power the lance and the New Orleans only has two nacelles like the regular Galaxy class.

    Pretty sure he means the other saucer and nacelle options, Monarch class i think it was called?
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  • artan42artan42 Member Posts: 10,450 Bug Hunter
    Can you not change the nacelles to get rid of those non-canonical nacelle phaser mounts?

    Or is it going to be ;like the Sovereign where the canon version dosn't exist ingame after all the extra work they put into the model.​​
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  • avoozuulavoozuul Member Posts: 3,215 Arc User
    Since when was STO canon in the first place?
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  • asuran14asuran14 Member Posts: 2,335 Arc User
    avoozuul wrote: »
    It won't ever get access to the spiral lance, part of the whole point of the third nacelle on the Galaxy X was to power the lance and the New Orleans only has two nacelles like the regular Galaxy class.

    That is true of the Ga-x though does not mean there could not be other methods of powering the lance system, such as using the pods on the recon destroyer to house additional power systems that bolster the power output that would be needed to power the spinal cannon as an example, though that might only be one potential use of the pods as they could also be used for torp payloads, or additional sensor arrays too. Also the gal-x lance is not the only ship that uses lance weapons we have seen as the phantom uses a heavy phaser lance an does not have three nacelles.
    avoozuul wrote: »
    It won't ever get access to the spiral lance, part of the whole point of the third nacelle on the Galaxy X was to power the lance and the New Orleans only has two nacelles like the regular Galaxy class.

    Pretty sure he means the other saucer and nacelle options, Monarch class i think it was called?

    I meant both as a destroyer most of all one developed from the galaxy would make some sense using a system like the lance weapon, which was implemented into the gal-x. Also with how much more maneuverable the New Orleans would be compared to even the gal or Gal-x a lance weapon could be used more efficiently in sto on it. Yet I was also hoping to see them open up more of the parts from the gal and Gal-x designs for use on the recon destroyer like the Monarch as it is terrible to see so many interesting an nice parts go to waste.
  • psiameesepsiameese Member Posts: 1,650 Arc User
    By the way does anybody know what they are supposed to be for in Star Trek lore?

    According to TNG's Conspiracy, the USS Thomas Paine was interpreted by Worf as a frigate. But no class name given. Only later in TNG's Redemption did an Okudagram list the USS Thomas Paine as a New Orleans-class. Hence, the assumption that the New Orleans-class was considered to be a frigate.

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  • neoakiraiineoakiraii Member Posts: 7,468 Arc User
    It's still an ugly kitbash that should remain floating in Wolf 359 with all the other junk


    With that said the Andromeda pieces even it out and I can make a pretty cool looking ship with it
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  • angrytargangrytarg Member Posts: 11,008 Arc User
    avoozuul wrote: »
    It won't ever get access to the spiral lance, part of the whole point of the third nacelle on the Galaxy X was to power the lance and the New Orleans only has two nacelles like the regular Galaxy class.

    That's not true. Nacelles don't power things, they generate warp fields according to every piece of background information made by people closer associated with the show (i.e. technical manuals).
    psiameese wrote: »
    According to TNG's Conspiracy, the USS Thomas Paine was interpreted by Worf as a frigate. But no class name given. Only later in TNG's Redemption did an Okudagram list the USS Thomas Paine as a New Orleans-class. Hence, the assumption that the New Orleans-class was considered to be a frigate.

    That is correct, and the ship's layout and function do reflect that. I just wonder why they simply couldn't go with "frigate" and call it "Recon destroyer" instead - does it destroy reconnaissance? That makes no sense. And apparently it's not even a destroyer in the traditional STO template.​​
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    psiameese wrote: »
    By the way does anybody know what they are supposed to be for in Star Trek lore?

    According to TNG's Conspiracy, the USS Thomas Paine was interpreted by Worf as a frigate. But no class name given. Only later in TNG's Redemption did an Okudagram list the USS Thomas Paine as a New Orleans-class. Hence, the assumption that the New Orleans-class was considered to be a frigate.

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  • asuran14asuran14 Member Posts: 2,335 Arc User
    angrytarg wrote: »
    avoozuul wrote: »
    It won't ever get access to the spiral lance, part of the whole point of the third nacelle on the Galaxy X was to power the lance and the New Orleans only has two nacelles like the regular Galaxy class.

    That's not true. Nacelles don't power things, they generate warp fields according to every piece of background information made by people closer associated with the show (i.e. technical manuals).
    psiameese wrote: »
    According to TNG's Conspiracy, the USS Thomas Paine was interpreted by Worf as a frigate. But no class name given. Only later in TNG's Redemption did an Okudagram list the USS Thomas Paine as a New Orleans-class. Hence, the assumption that the New Orleans-class was considered to be a frigate.

    That is correct, and the ship's layout and function do reflect that. I just wonder why they simply couldn't go with "frigate" and call it "Recon destroyer" instead - does it destroy reconnaissance? That makes no sense. And apparently it's not even a destroyer in the traditional STO template.​​

    I think they did not want to overlap the frigate designation with the hanger-frigate pets, which I can understand kinda. I see it more that is a self contained vessel that both recons it's target, before it changes to destroying the target if it is found to be needed to be destroyed. Which with the pods would make some sense as they could hold additional sensor arrays for long range reconnaissance on a target, though they could also hold additional weapons systems too.
  • mustrumridcully0mustrumridcully0 Member Posts: 12,963 Arc User
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    Well, my first "standard candle" test in the Borg Red Alert didn't go so welll... I brought the Tactical Cube to 0 %, and exploded, and the Tactical Cube healed. That said, I was using a Beam Build but was still flying like an Escort build, that was probably not so smart (and I did make other mistakes.)

    I really think with all the Galaxy Class type phaser strips this ship is aesthetically demanding a a beam array build, but I am afraid the 4/3 layout works better with a DBB or DHC build.
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  • nixie50nixie50 Member Posts: 1,347 Arc User
    asuran14 wrote: »
    How many of the parts available to the galaxy class does the Recon destroyer get access to? Also does it get access to some of the part designs of the Gal-x? Bought it though have not yet actually gotten to working with it just yet, but would be interesting if this had access to the Gal-x phaser spinal-lance thru some method.

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  • nixie50nixie50 Member Posts: 1,347 Arc User
    psiameese wrote: »
    By the way does anybody know what they are supposed to be for in Star Trek lore?

    According to TNG's Conspiracy, the USS Thomas Paine was interpreted by Worf as a frigate. But no class name given. Only later in TNG's Redemption did an Okudagram list the USS Thomas Paine as a New Orleans-class. Hence, the assumption that the New Orleans-class was considered to be a frigate.

    but we do not know if they Paine from Dytalix B was decommissioned or not. that it is the same ship is speculation, especially since we do not ever hear from Capt Scott again
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  • nikephorusnikephorus Member Posts: 2,744 Arc User
    My first impression is positive. Not going to win any dps records, but a solid escort with a slight science lean. I wouldn't say the ship is any more fragile than most escorts. She's got a very high shield modifier and being a "destroyer" a decent enough hull modifier as well. I suppose it depends what you do with the uni station.
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  • rattler2rattler2 Member, Star Trek Online Moderator Posts: 58,667 Community Moderator
    artan42 wrote: »
    Can you not change the nacelles to get rid of those non-canonical nacelle phaser mounts?

    Or is it going to be ;like the Sovereign where the canon version dosn't exist ingame after all the extra work they put into the model.​​

    I watched the livestream, and the reasoning for the nacelle mounted strips was so beams don't clip through anything. The mission pods kinda make using the saucer mounted strip for rear firing impossible without shooting THROUGH the ship, so they added the nacelle mounts to allow for a full broadside and even rear firing without clipping through the hull. I view it like how Galaxy class ships gained nacelle mounted strips during the Dominion War.
    asuran14 wrote: »
    Damn, well maybe they could open it up to be able to use more fo the Gal parts later on. I like some fo the other parts that the gal has access to.

    According to the Dev who helped make the New Orleans... he didn't have time to make anything other than the Galaxy and Andromeda parts, but may very well look into Venture parts in the future.
    By the way does anybody know what they are supposed to be for in Star Trek lore?

    Not really. Its been speculated that they are like heavy photon launchers or even just generic mission pods like on the Nebula. The Devs DID play with the idea of some kind of Photon Launcher, but it wasn't visually appealing. This eventually lead to the current tri beam console thing.
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  • rimmarierimmarie Member Posts: 418 Arc User
    rattler2 wrote: »
    Not really. Its been speculated that they are like heavy photon launchers or even just generic mission pods like on the Nebula. The Devs DID play with the idea of some kind of Photon Launcher, but it wasn't visually appealing. This eventually lead to the current tri beam console thing.
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    Photon Launchers would have been WAAAAAAAAAAY cooler!
    they could have just made them similar to the one on the Armitage except they fired in a forward arc. Sorta like a triple torpedo spread or rapid fire torpedoes!



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