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Disappointed. No Lifetime Jem'Hadar ship.

If this is supposed to be a race all it's own and it's also bound to cardassia, why are there no lifetime membership ships for these two races?

Romulans too had to pick a faction at the end of their arc and yet they actually have a romulan ship that could be used by remans!

I would like to see at least a Cardassian Lifetime Ship! That would be awesome!
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    dracounguisdracounguis Member Posts: 5,358 Arc User
    I don't think the Romulans got one on their first week either, so maybe hold off on the doom for a bit. ;)
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    rattler2rattler2 Member, Star Trek Online Moderator Posts: 58,099 Community Moderator
    The Devs have said they want to make one. They just didn't have time to design it before the launch.
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    cross821cross821 Member Posts: 185 Arc User
    AoY chars are still waiting for theirs.
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    arionisaarionisa Member Posts: 1,421 Arc User
    AoY characters are Feds, they have a LTS ship already. Presently, Jem'Hadar toons for LTS members do not get any LTS ship. There is no LTS Jem ship, and whether you go Fed or go KDF, you can't get that Factions ship either.
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    warmaker001bwarmaker001b Member Posts: 9,205 Arc User
    arionisa wrote: »
    AoY characters are Feds, they have a LTS ship already. Presently, Jem'Hadar toons for LTS members do not get any LTS ship. There is no LTS Jem ship, and whether you go Fed or go KDF, you can't get that Factions ship either.

    Very much this.
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    jexsamxjexsamx Member Posts: 2,802 Arc User
    arionisa wrote: »
    AoY characters are Feds, they have a LTS ship already.

    I refuse to accept this logic.

    TOS has its own faction selection at the login screen. They are the only faction selectable from login that doesn't already have or has dev-stated plans to have its own veteran ship. This is an error that needs to be corrected. You will not convince me otherwise.
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    rattler2rattler2 Member, Star Trek Online Moderator Posts: 58,099 Community Moderator
    arionisa wrote: »
    AoY characters are Feds, they have a LTS ship already.

    Considering by the time you can fly one you're in the 25th Century already...
    jexsamx wrote: »
    I refuse to accept this logic.
    ...
    This is an error that needs to be corrected. You will not convince me otherwise.

    Then why are you in this thread? To beat us over the head with that stick? Because nothing we say will change a thing.
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    I can't take it anymore! Could everyone just chill out for two seconds before something CRAZY happens again?!
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    jexsamxjexsamx Member Posts: 2,802 Arc User
    edited June 2018
    rattler2 wrote: »
    Then why are you in this thread? To beat us over the head with that stick? Because nothing we say will change a thing.

    I popped into this thread because I was curious whether or not OP was just whining or if they actually didn't know there were plans for a Jem vet ship in the works and intended to give them the good news if they hadn't been told as much yet.

    I posted because it is my personal mission to espouse the need for a TOS Vet ship, and precisely because what we say can, sometimes, change things. It's the exception rather than the rule, to be sure, but we've gotten stupid decisions and careless omissions corrected in the past - just look at the universal seat on the Hestia, or that awful dilithium reduction they tried to pass on STFs a few years back that got rolled back after enough fan rage. Hell, enough persistent whining even got Fed carriers made.

    I am aware my quest is likely for naught, but the only thing it costs me is a few minutes of my time every once in a while to keep it up, so why not beat a few heads with this righteous stick? Besides, it's not like I'm doing it constantly - this the first time I've brandished this girthy weapon since AoY dropped.

    That's what I'm doing in this thread. Thanks for asking. How about you? You just here to rain on parades?
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    richyrich1991richyrich1991 Member Posts: 139 Arc User
    jexsamx wrote: »
    arionisa wrote: »
    AoY characters are Feds, they have a LTS ship already.

    I refuse to accept this logic.

    TOS has its own faction selection at the login screen. They are the only faction selectable from login that doesn't already have or has dev-stated plans to have its own veteran ship. This is an error that needs to be corrected. You will not convince me otherwise.

    I agree, AoY characters and Jem'Hadar characters should both have their own LTS rewards.
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    rattler2rattler2 Member, Star Trek Online Moderator Posts: 58,099 Community Moderator
    Nope.
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    salazarrazesalazarraze Member Posts: 3,794 Arc User
    Absolutely none of the original post makes sense. The Jem'hadar are not a faction. They are a playable race that Cryptic is pretending is a faction. Jem'Hadar are not "bound" to Cardassia, whatever that means. Romulans have been converted into being simply playable race too although they were never a true faction anyway. Cardassians are billed overtly as a mere playable race. It would be nice If Cryptic made LTS ships for either playable race but I wouldn't hold my breath.
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    salazarrazesalazarraze Member Posts: 3,794 Arc User
    jexsamx wrote: »
    arionisa wrote: »
    AoY characters are Feds, they have a LTS ship already.

    I refuse to accept this logic.
    You refuse to accept a demonstrable fact? No point in engaging you then.
    When you see "TRIBBLE" in my posts, it's because I manually typed "TRIBBLE" and censored myself.
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    jexsamxjexsamx Member Posts: 2,802 Arc User
    If someone came in here trying to say Jems shouldn't get a vet ship, they'd get boo'd out of the thread. They can use Fed and KDF vet ships, after all! How are they any different from TOS, then? Obviously they shouldn't even bother making one.

    TOS has access to the Fed LTS ship, but they do not have an LTS ship. I understand the difference is subtle, but there is a difference. By the logic put forth in this thread, they shouldn't have bothered to make TOS ships other than the Enterprise and starter ships because TOS are just Feds anyway and can use all the same ships. And yet, there they are. So why shouldn't the same be true of the Vet ship? Hell, we even got a TOS-aesthetic cruiser in the same style as the Command cruisers - in a lockbox, granted, but we did get it.

    So forgive me if "they're just feds" doesn't strike me as a solid enough argument to warrant not expressing a desire for one, because for the life of me, I can't see why that would be the case.
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    seriousdaveseriousdave Member Posts: 2,777 Arc User
    jexsamx wrote: »
    If someone came in here trying to say Jems shouldn't get a vet ship, they'd get boo'd out of the thread. They can use Fed and KDF vet ships, after all! How are they any different from TOS, then? Obviously they shouldn't even bother making one.

    They can't, that's the point. Jems didn't get access to a vet destroyer and a vet shuttle. I'd been totally fine if they'd just have gotten the fed & kdf version but luckily the devs decided that we'll get a ship with a polaron lotus.

    And as much as you dislike the fact that TOS is treated as "sidebranch of feds" that is how cryptic decided it from the start and that's why they didn't get a TOS style chimera/manticore. Because they are just fancy feds with a different set of character animations, that's the only real difference between TOS and regular fed.
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    avoozuulavoozuul Member Posts: 3,198 Arc User
    Maybe they can give them access to a TOS style skin for the manticore/chimera without making a separate ship?
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    peterconnorfirstpeterconnorfirst Member Posts: 6,225 Arc User
    Considering that Jem toons currently cannot claim the veteran ships of their aligned faction I really hope we get one rather sooner than later.

    Could also live with a playable Vorta for lifetime members.
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    nimbullnimbull Member Posts: 1,564 Arc User
    edited June 2018
    jexsamx wrote: »
    arionisa wrote: »
    AoY characters are Feds, they have a LTS ship already.

    I refuse to accept this logic.

    TOS has its own faction selection at the login screen. They are the only faction selectable from login that doesn't already have or has dev-stated plans to have its own veteran ship. This is an error that needs to be corrected. You will not convince me otherwise.

    I agree... TOS is it's own faction much like Romulans are and Romulan's got their own ship. Gamma toons should be in the same boat with the Romulans as the TOS should be with their own themed ships.
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    stoyozstoyoz Member Posts: 63 Arc User
    What about the existing model of the Vanguard Carrier's separation pet.
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    storulesstorules Member Posts: 3,253 Arc User
    edited June 2018
    Perhaps a Cardassian, Vorta or even Changelling BOFF/DoFF addittion? Anything would be great. LTS does deserve a bone thrown to them once in a while. Hope it is still in the works.​​
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    meimeitoomeimeitoo Member Posts: 12,594 Arc User
    jexsamx wrote: »
    If someone came in here trying to say Jems shouldn't get a vet ship, they'd get boo'd out of the thread. They can use Fed and KDF vet ships, after all! How are they any different from TOS, then? Obviously they shouldn't even bother making one.

    Jems shouldn't get a vet ship. No, seriously, they shouldn't (and I am one, in case you wondered). Jems got so many freebie leg-ups already, it's outrageous as it is. Not that I'm complaining, LOL, but I wouldn't dare ask for a vet ship on top of everything else.

    We got a free, iconic T5U bug-ship. Consider that your vet-ship, if you must feel you got one.
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    lianthelialianthelia Member Posts: 7,830 Arc User
    I don't care if it takes a while, I just hope it's a Vanguard ship...
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    baddmoonrizinbaddmoonrizin Member Posts: 10,395 Community Moderator
    Yes, the devs want to do a Jem'Hadar Veteran Ship. Stressing WANT, because that falls short of saying they WILL, so no promises were made as of the information that I have at this time (6/12/18).

    That being said, nothing was ever said about TOS ever getting a Veteran ship. As they are brought forward in time and folded into the regular FED Faction per their storyline, it doesn't really make sense to have a separate one. Although, personally, I would gladly accept a TOS skin for my Chimera. :mrgreen: Anyway, that subject is off topic for this thread, so I would suggest starting another thread for that discussion.

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    nommo#5819 nommo Member Posts: 1,105 Arc User
    Absolutely none of the original post makes sense. The Jem'hadar are not a faction. They are a playable race that Cryptic is pretending is a faction. Jem'Hadar are not "bound" to Cardassia, whatever that means. Romulans have been converted into being simply playable race too although they were never a true faction anyway. Cardassians are billed overtly as a mere playable race. It would be nice If Cryptic made LTS ships for either playable race but I wouldn't hold my breath.

    There's some linear logic there about the factions. In my mind I've always considered the Romulans as sort of adopted into a faction of Federation or KDF & it is the same for these Jem'Hadar. I don't even consider it Dominion since there is only the Jem'Hadar. I was looking forward to playable Cardassians out of nostalgia & creativity, but with the inflated price Cryptic decided upon I won't buy. After all it is just another paint job of a playable character with (1) different specific trait.

    In regards to a LTS ship for this new playable Jem'Hadar I could see it come to fruition in a few months simply because Cryptic did it for the Romulans so there's precedent.

    Overall this expansion was nicely done on some aspects & yes there were & are "bugs" with it. There are some things really well done, but Cryptic has some lows with this expansion too. This expansion was more limited in it's scope compared to previous expansions so I wonder why. I do think Cryptic has more to be released, episodes/missions, & hopefully the content will awe us in the future linking to this expansion, but we've also recently seen how Cryptic doesn't have much concern on not delivering on what they say too.
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    meimeitoomeimeitoo Member Posts: 12,594 Arc User
    reyan01 wrote: »
    meimeitoo wrote: »
    jexsamx wrote: »
    If someone came in here trying to say Jems shouldn't get a vet ship, they'd get boo'd out of the thread. They can use Fed and KDF vet ships, after all! How are they any different from TOS, then? Obviously they shouldn't even bother making one.

    Jems shouldn't get a vet ship. No, seriously, they shouldn't (and I am one, in case you wondered). Jems got so many freebie leg-ups already, it's outrageous as it is. Not that I'm complaining, LOL, but I wouldn't dare ask for a vet ship on top of everything else.

    We got a free, iconic T5U bug-ship. Consider that your vet-ship, if you must feel you got one.

    Very slight deviation of topic, but it always made me laugh that STO made the Bugship, in it's various in-game forms, into some sort of ubership. Not sure what they based that on, as the canon version was pretty useless - it's greatest weapon was suicide!


    Hehe, so true. :) Even the actual ingame bughip is, well, not bad per se, but more cute than totally ueber. I never understood why ppl were willing to pay 500+ mil for it. Personally, I waited until I could get a T6 JHSS, for ca. 300 mil, and got that.
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    postagepaidpostagepaid Member Posts: 2,899 Arc User
    The TOS "faction" is a glorified tutorial not a faction.

    The roms and jems are similar to this in a way but much closer to each other in that they can then choose which faction they join and still have something of their own identity.

    TOS is the federation, just older.
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    warmaker001bwarmaker001b Member Posts: 9,205 Arc User
    reyan01 wrote: »
    meimeitoo wrote: »
    jexsamx wrote: »
    If someone came in here trying to say Jems shouldn't get a vet ship, they'd get boo'd out of the thread. They can use Fed and KDF vet ships, after all! How are they any different from TOS, then? Obviously they shouldn't even bother making one.

    Jems shouldn't get a vet ship. No, seriously, they shouldn't (and I am one, in case you wondered). Jems got so many freebie leg-ups already, it's outrageous as it is. Not that I'm complaining, LOL, but I wouldn't dare ask for a vet ship on top of everything else.

    We got a free, iconic T5U bug-ship. Consider that your vet-ship, if you must feel you got one.

    Very slight deviation of topic, but it always made me laugh that STO made the Bugship, in it's various in-game forms, into some sort of ubership. Not sure what they based that on, as the canon version was pretty useless - it's greatest weapon was suicide!

    Do you remember the days before Tier 6 ships and Delta Rising? She was a monster back then, and old T5 Bugship was only starting to have somewhat closer competition with some of the last batches of excellent Escorts that were coming out before Delta Rising.

    The Fed Tempest, Undine Nicor being examples. But before those new ships could really make a statement, BAM!

    Tier 6, yo!
    OBSOLETE!
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    rattler2rattler2 Member, Star Trek Online Moderator Posts: 58,099 Community Moderator
    I consider TOS to be a subfaction for the Federation. If they wanted they could do the same for TOS Romulans and TOS Klingons someday. Jem'Hadar are a completely different animal from TOS Feds.

    Anyways...

    I'd love to see how they design the Jem'Hadar Vet ship.
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    nommo#5819 nommo Member Posts: 1,105 Arc User
    The TOS "faction" is a glorified tutorial not a faction.

    The roms and jems are similar to this in a way but much closer to each other in that they can then choose which faction they join and still have something of their own identity.

    TOS is the federation, just older.

    That's a very accurate description of the "TOSlings".
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    the1tiggletthe1tigglet Member Posts: 1,421 Arc User
    I don't think the Romulans got one on their first week either, so maybe hold off on the doom for a bit. ;)

    I hope I didn't sound like a doom profit I was just expressing my disappointment.
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    the1tiggletthe1tigglet Member Posts: 1,421 Arc User
    Thanks for that info! Once again Google failed to deliver but that seems to be par for the course when you silence websites you don't like.

    I'm glad they are considering it.

    I wouldn't mind having several skins to use for the Federation Chimeara ship! They'd have to change the console's animations a bit for the TOS style graphics for things like they did with the 23rd century skills but I'm okay with that!


    Yes, the devs want to do a Jem'Hadar Veteran Ship. Stressing WANT, because that falls short of saying they WILL, so no promises were made as of the information that I have at this time (6/12/18).

    That being said, nothing was ever said about TOS ever getting a Veteran ship. As they are brought forward in time and folded into the regular FED Faction per their storyline, it doesn't really make sense to have a separate one. Although, personally, I would gladly accept a TOS skin for my Chimera. :mrgreen: Anyway, that subject is off topic for this thread, so I would suggest starting another thread for that discussion.

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