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Do you think They should keep the Old Ds9 Map as an option while adding in the new?

thevampinatorthevampinator Member Posts: 637 Arc User
edited June 2018 in Star Trek Online General Discussion
Well I like the new more accurate version of the map but given what I heard. It isn't as big as the one we have now. I would like to see them keep the old one as an optional ds9 we can travel too. For those that like that one better. So should they keep the old ds9 map while adding in the new one as the main? What are your thoughts?

Do you think They should keep the Old Ds9 Map as an option while adding in the new? 72 votes

Yes
9%
stee1maxthevampinatorkhalifriadavidwfordalialiralapprenticelstorules 7 votes
No
81%
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Other
8%
garaks31dracounguisdragnridrgradiiichaerus1locutusofcactus 6 votes

Comments

  • rattler2rattler2 Member, Star Trek Online Moderator Posts: 58,584 Community Moderator
    No
    Kinda can't keep the old one around. In order to keep up with the new stuff, they'd have to add to the old one as well. Its doubling the work the Devs have to do. And honestly... its not going to benefit everyone. Just a small percentage of the playerbase who either don't like change or are hardcore RPers who hate the idea that new DS9 will have a smaller pop cap per instance.
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    Yang Xiao Long wrote:
    I can't take it anymore! Could everyone just chill out for two seconds before something CRAZY happens again?!
    The nut who actually ground out many packs. The resident forum voice of reason (I HAZ FORUM REP! YAY!)
  • thevampinatorthevampinator Member Posts: 637 Arc User
    edited June 2018
    Yes
    rattler2 wrote: »
    Kinda can't keep the old one around. In order to keep up with the new stuff, they'd have to add to the old one as well. Its doubling the work the Devs have to do. And honestly... its not going to benefit everyone. Just a small percentage of the playerbase who either don't like change or are hardcore RPers who hate the idea that new DS9 will have a smaller pop cap per instance.

    I don' see why they would need to do anything with the old ds9 other then leaving the map in for those prefering to stay there.. Kinda like they should have kept the old space dock for those that liked it better. Anyways it don't matter. I do look forward to seeing the new ds9. Just made this poll for those that prefer the old and want to see that stay too.
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  • tyler002tyler002 Member Posts: 1,586 Arc User
    No
    I see no serious reason to keep the old one other than for missions they can't update easily.
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  • davidwforddavidwford Member Posts: 1,836 Arc User
    Yes
    I have tested the new one on Tribble and I am less than impressed. Besides being almost obnoxiously small(how DID they manage to film all of those camera shots?), it removes a number of critical NPCs for the sake of accuracy. While the old one was too big, the new one is too small. We need a middle ground map, and until then, I would prefer they keep both around.
  • thevampinatorthevampinator Member Posts: 637 Arc User
    edited June 2018
    Yes
    davidwford wrote: »
    I have tested the new one on Tribble and I am less than impressed. Besides being almost obnoxiously small(how DID they manage to film all of those camera shots?), it removes a number of critical NPCs for the sake of accuracy. While the old one was too big, the new one is too small. We need a middle ground map, and until then, I would prefer they keep both around.

    Yeah maybe they should have done it in the middle. Well I've not tested it on tribble I might have if they had access to it a lot sooner then they did. But its coming out tomorrow. I'm sure there will be complaints about the size of it. We will see what happens.
  • scififan78scififan78 Member Posts: 1,383 Arc User
    No
    davidwford wrote: »
    I have tested the new one on Tribble and I am less than impressed. Besides being almost obnoxiously small(how DID they manage to film all of those camera shots?), it removes a number of critical NPCs for the sake of accuracy. While the old one was too big, the new one is too small. We need a middle ground map, and until then, I would prefer they keep both around.

    While the new map is indeed smaller than the old one, it is sill 50% upscaled from the actual set. Also, exactly what critical NPCs were removed? As best as I can recall, the NPCs have been moved to shops as opposed to simple alcoves.
  • meimeitoomeimeitoo Member Posts: 12,594 Arc User
    No
    No. That would be silly. Not to mention break immersion.
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  • rattler2rattler2 Member, Star Trek Online Moderator Posts: 58,584 Community Moderator
    No
    scififan78 wrote: »
    davidwford wrote: »
    I have tested the new one on Tribble and I am less than impressed. Besides being almost obnoxiously small(how DID they manage to film all of those camera shots?), it removes a number of critical NPCs for the sake of accuracy. While the old one was too big, the new one is too small. We need a middle ground map, and until then, I would prefer they keep both around.

    While the new map is indeed smaller than the old one, it is sill 50% upscaled from the actual set. Also, exactly what critical NPCs were removed? As best as I can recall, the NPCs have been moved to shops as opposed to simple alcoves.

    Not only that... apparently Roxy's got a new job... as a BOff Trainer!
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    Yang Xiao Long wrote:
    I can't take it anymore! Could everyone just chill out for two seconds before something CRAZY happens again?!
    The nut who actually ground out many packs. The resident forum voice of reason (I HAZ FORUM REP! YAY!)
  • vetteguy904vetteguy904 Member Posts: 3,923 Arc User
    well I think they HAVE to keep the old map through the Cardassian struggle arc. either that or Shon is going to be hanging out in front of the ship vendor kiosk
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  • rattler2rattler2 Member, Star Trek Online Moderator Posts: 58,584 Community Moderator
    No
    Its going to be like that one mission where the Undine attack ESD, that came just before the ESD revamp. The map in that mission uses a modded version of OLD ESD. Too much trouble to try and replace that segment of the mission. So Second Wave, Boldly They Rode, and Assault on Terrok Nor will use the old DS9 map.

    And honestly the only way they COULD keep the old DS9 map as a social zone would be to open up Empok Nor. BUT... that would be redundant due to proximity to DS9. Kinda like how Bajor isn't used as much because of proximity to DS9.
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    Yang Xiao Long wrote:
    I can't take it anymore! Could everyone just chill out for two seconds before something CRAZY happens again?!
    The nut who actually ground out many packs. The resident forum voice of reason (I HAZ FORUM REP! YAY!)
  • evilmark444evilmark444 Member Posts: 6,950 Arc User
    No
    It'll probably remain in the Foundery, that's good enough.
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  • seaofsorrowsseaofsorrows Member Posts: 10,919 Arc User
    No
    DS9 is getting an update.. best to just learn to be ok with it.

    That or hang out someplace else.
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  • locutusofcactuslocutusofcactus Member Posts: 651 Arc User
    Other
    No. But leave it in the foundry.
  • cross821cross821 Member Posts: 185 Arc User
    No
    no the old one is to outdated and needs to go away.
  • gradiigradii Member Posts: 2,824 Arc User
    Other
    Remove the ridiculous NPC trains from the new map and its all good. If some idiot wants to troll an RP happening, report them, so they can be banned for harassment.
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  • nimbullnimbull Member Posts: 1,564 Arc User
    No
    The only reason I wouldn't mind having it back is because there was less NPC clutter like there is on the new map. However that problem is easilly fixable by reducing clutter NPCs and to keep the station busy look, increase the player limit from 30 - 40 so you still have that busy look.
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  • rezkingrezking Member Posts: 1,109 Arc User
    No
    I like the series version of DS9.
    I'm not too crazy about the framerate taking a hit there, though.
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  • ichaerus1ichaerus1 Member Posts: 986 Arc User
    Other
    Keep the population cap as is. Smaller area could do w/ an NPC reduction. Bring Woadie back in some capacity. I do like the new bar interior, with some of the tables having three chairs, and how the lighting doesn't blast me with a huge dose of gamma radiation even with the light settings on 50% or lower. The darker ambience feels much better to me. I shouldn't have to require shaded EYEPRO to go to the bar for a little downtime.
  • lapprenticellapprenticel Member Posts: 254 Arc User
    Yes
    The old DS9 is simply more user friendly, and better for low end systems.
  • duncanidaho11duncanidaho11 Member Posts: 7,980 Arc User
    No
    thevampinator wrote: »

    I don' see why they would need to do anything with the old ds9 other then leaving the map in for those prefering to stay there.. Kinda like they should have kept the old space dock for those that liked it better. Anyways it don't matter. I do look forward to seeing the new ds9. Just made this poll for those that prefer the old and want to see that stay too.

    Those with a strong preference can still find the old map in the 2800 arc (it's not replaced for combat segments) and the Foundry if they're on PC. When it comes to something as particular as this one should try to explore their available options first before requesting the devs make significant procedural changes (ie. add even more beam-down options) to cater to that personal taste. ;)
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  • dracounguisdracounguis Member Posts: 5,358 Arc User
    Other
    If they save it, use it for missions to other cardassian space stations
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  • autobotgoldbugautobotgoldbug Member Posts: 64 Arc User
    I would like to see the old one re-purposed as a different station. Maybe Empok Nor? or Cardassia's station
  • saurializardsaurializard Member Posts: 4,404 Arc User
    edited June 2018
    No
    lapprenticel wrote: »
    The old DS9 is simply more user friendly, and better for low end systems.
    Having the bank and exchange at one end of the station and the ship NPCs at the other end, instead of just in front of each other across a corridor, is considered more user-friendly?

    Also, the new DS9 has the best Klingon chef of the franchise and his accordion. That automatically renders the old one unappealing.
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