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  • tyler002tyler002 Member Posts: 1,586 Arc User
    Not at launch, apparently.
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  • phoenix841phoenix841 Member Posts: 486 Arc User
    is there going to be a veteran Dominion ship?

    Kael said in a livestream that there won't be one available at VIL launch, but it's something they do want to get done quickly.
    If you recall, Romulans didn't have one either at LOR launch.
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  • parisalexandria1parisalexandria1 Member Posts: 45 Arc User
    I don't get it. $129 Dominion Ship Expansion pack that lacks the most iconic Dominion Ship of all.....the Bug ship fighter (Jem'Hadar Attack Ship). In every iteration of the Dominion thus far (even in STO) the Bug ship has been the most numerous component of the Dominion Fleet. Why not now?


    As cool as the other Dominion ships are, this seems a pretty glaring omission. A Jem'Hadar Dominion Fleet without any version of these iconic ships is like star trek without the enterprise.....any enterprise. And that's hardly star trek at all.

    I'm just saying.






  • echattyechatty Member Posts: 5,913 Arc User
    Boy the complaining in this thread is really interesting to read. Me, I think the ships sound awesome, and I've come to the conclusion that the devs have their reasons for the way the ships are laid out and I'll work with what I get, just like I have always been doing and do things just fine without the 'perfect' ship. Frankly, I haven't found much of anything to complain about this whole game, much less the ships. Just because they don't lay out the ships to your satisfaction doesn't mean they're no good or that they won't get the job done. I'm going to painstakingly save up for the Dominion pack on my F2P girl while using the 'ordinary' J-H character. I'm also going to save up for the pack on my Lifer to get the Vanguard J-H and Cardie characters and all those very nice ships that others are complaining about.
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  • lordgyorlordgyor Member Posts: 2,820 Arc User
    > @wardcalis said:
    > lordgyor wrote: »
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    > > Why is the boff seating fore every single one of these ships such total trash? having a commander tact and lt cmdr tact on the same ship seems so bad. need at least 4 eng and 2 sci seats. and why do none of them have any command seats? I'm actually considering asking for my money back, I'm a romulan that flys torp boats and so far with these stats the most exciting thing i've seen about this entire expansion is that i'll finally be able to get the 180 quantum torp.
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    > The Mobile Torpedo Platform Console on the Ghemor should excite you if your a torpedo boat captain.
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    > And the JV Dreadought has a Lt. Commander Command specialist seat.
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    > And there are ways to make up for low Engineering boff seats for healing.
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    > What kind of build do you prefer?
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    > Lets see, an ideal ship would be a 5/3 weapon loadout with 5 tact consoles and 10+turn , it'd have the Sheshar command ships exact boff seating and would look beautiful and graceful. The last ship romulans got that came close to beautiful were the command ships, but they had a host of problems. I really wish we could reskin stuff, the hazari destroyer, the D'Deridex, all these vangaurd ships, they look amazing. it seems like if a ship looks nice it's taxed in the stats somewhere

    All the Cardassian ships have great stats and some are worried they are over powered.> @parisalexandria1 said:
    > I don't get it. $129 Dominion Ship Expansion pack that lacks the most iconic Dominion Ship of all.....the Bug ship fighter (Jem'Hadar Attack Ship). In every iteration of the Dominion thus far (even in STO) the Bug ship has been the most numerous component of the Dominion Fleet. Why not now?
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    > As cool as the other Dominion ships are, this seems a pretty glaring omission. A Jem'Hadar Dominion Fleet without any version of these iconic ships is like star trek without the enterprise.....any enterprise. And that's hardly star trek at all.
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    > I'm just saying.

    They give you a T5U Bug ship as your starter ship free.
  • lordgyorlordgyor Member Posts: 2,820 Arc User
    Btw declaring the Damar the Flagship class of the Cardassian Union makes the Damar Class the first Flagship class to be a Specialist ship type (Intel).

    I wonder how people feel the Damar and JV Dreadnought classes, matches up with the Scimitar, Odyssey, Bort classes?
  • markhawkmanmarkhawkman Member Posts: 35,231 Arc User
    lordgyor wrote: »
    Btw declaring the Damar the Flagship class of the Cardassian Union makes the Damar Class the first Flagship class to be a Specialist ship type (Intel).

    I wonder how people feel the Damar and JV Dreadnought classes, matches up with the Scimitar, Odyssey, Bort classes?
    Oh, you mean full spec not demi-spec. Yeah that's interesting.
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  • lordgyorlordgyor Member Posts: 2,820 Arc User
    > @markhawkman said:
    > lordgyor wrote: »
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    > Btw declaring the Damar the Flagship class of the Cardassian Union makes the Damar Class the first Flagship class to be a Specialist ship type (Intel).
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    > I wonder how people feel the Damar and JV Dreadnought classes, matches up with the Scimitar, Odyssey, Bort classes?
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    > Oh, you mean full spec not demi-spec. Yeah that's interesting.

    Exactly. Of the Flagships the Damar and the JVDC are the closest in power to Scimitar, I'd love to see all the flag ship fight it out in PVP with players who are good at PVP.

    I'm curious how the Gorn Platform console interacts with the Vanguard Wingmen Raiders, I suspect unlike Hangar Craft it grant them their own sets of healing drones like it does for the fleet support ships.

    Btw the Damar is going to be scary ambushing enemies, uncloak, unleash its console effects, launch Yukawas, hit Evade Target lock and then move far enough away that the ships mask energy signiture hides you.
  • lordgyorlordgyor Member Posts: 2,820 Arc User
    I think I'll put the Bioneural Warhead on the ship too, so I can fire on enemies beyond the range they can see me at.
  • parisalexandria1parisalexandria1 Member Posts: 45 Arc User

    >>> They give you a T5U Bug ship as your starter ship free.

    Ah cool. I didn't know that. Thanks.



  • lordgyorlordgyor Member Posts: 2,820 Arc User
    > @borticuscryptic said:
    > evilmark444 wrote: »
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    > Can any of these ships use old models as well?
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    > These are all entirely-new starships, that don't share customization with any existing ships in terms of physical pieces. They do, however, share some material and window options with existing ships.
    > phoenix841 wrote: »
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    > I wonder if the 3-piece Cardassian set has an additional bonus.
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    > There are additional Set Bonuses for each of these sets of ship consoles: Jem'Hadar Vanguard, and Cardassian Intel. I will look into those details being added to this blog at some point.
    > phoenix841 wrote: »
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    > It sounds like that wingman feature is a built-in ship feature (like command powers).
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    > This is more-or-less accurate, except that we could potentially make a Vanguard Command ship at some point in the future, which would have both of these sets of innate powers. This feature shares a design space with Romulan Singularity, but we specifically wanted to avoid making players have to itemize for it (unlike they do with Singularity Cores).
    > phoenix841 wrote: »
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    > Will the gunboats be player pilot-able? I'd love to have a small craft one of those.
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    > Not upon release of ViL, but perhaps at some point in the future. They look wicked!
    > lordgyor wrote: »
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    > They didn't show a pic of the Yawuka Frigates, but did say they were basically upgraded Hideki Class frigates, so I figure they look like Hideki, but beautified.
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    > They were revealed on our Ten Forward Livestream. They are essentially Hideki Frigates in physical form, but are using the Cardassian-Intel material. (So, yeah, "beautified" is fairly spot-on.)
    > lordgyor wrote: »
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    > Btw where does the Evasive Burst I, II, and come from.
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    > It's just a shorter-duration, shorter-cooldown version of Evasive Maneuvers.

    Thanks, that sounds cool.
  • gypsydanger1gypsydanger1 Member Posts: 37 Arc User
    wtf... can't you quote just what's necessary?? :s
  • alcyoneserenealcyoneserene Member Posts: 2,412 Arc User
    Shouldn't the Jem’Hadar Vanguard Carrier come with the ability to mount dual cannons as all carriers?

    Damar-class Cardassian Intel Science Dreadnought has such strong stats, sad that Cardi ships are like an earwig, and that science is given yet another ugly (IMO) design that I'd never care to fly.
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  • iamynaughtiamynaught Member Posts: 1,285 Arc User
    wtf... can't you quote just what's necessary?? :s

    Apparently, this is an issue when posting using quotes from a mobile device. The mobile browser doesn't know how to format the post correctly so we get this.

    While I agree that it is horrific to try and read like this, it is not the fault of the person posting, but of the forums themselves. I don't remember ever seeing this issue with the old forums.

    As for the ships themselves, it's nice to see different angles of the ships. I was going to get the big pack anyway, but more information is always welcome. As for the stats of the ships, meh, I play what looks good to me, stats are secondary. If players can take T4 and lower ships into queues and manage to do well enough, then a T6 will do just fine.

    Could the stats, BOff seating and console layout be better? Perhaps, but they are what they are and I personally see no problem with them. But, I'm not a stat monkey so as long as I can run lvl 60+ stuff on normal with Mk XII gear I'll be content.
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  • echattyechatty Member Posts: 5,913 Arc User
    iamynaught wrote: »

    Apparently, this is an issue when posting using quotes from a mobile device. The mobile browser doesn't know how to format the post correctly so we get this.

    Thant explains the odd quotes I see from some posters. Thank you
    iamynaught wrote: »
    While I agree that it is horrific to try and read like this, it is not the fault of the person posting, but of the forums themselves. I don't remember ever seeing this issue with the old forums.

    As for the ships themselves, it's nice to see different angles of the ships. I was going to get the big pack anyway, but more information is always welcome. As for the stats of the ships, meh, I play what looks good to me, stats are secondary. If players can take T4 and lower ships into queues and manage to do well enough, then a T6 will do just fine.

    Could the stats, BOff seating and console layout be better? Perhaps, but they are what they are and I personally see no problem with them. But, I'm not a stat monkey so as long as I can run lvl 60+ stuff on normal with Mk XII gear I'll be content.

    This is exactly how I feel. If I can take my chosen ship with my chosen build and do what I want with them, then I'm happy with what comes out. I'm actually (very slowly) saving and converting dilithium to be able to get the Vanguard pack. I know it will take a very long time, but I can do it. I wish I had the money or credit enough to do it, but I don't, so we do what we have to, to get what we want.
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  • grumpyowl#1151 grumpyowl Member Posts: 96 Arc User
    The JV Warship, Carrier, and the Cardassian Flight Deck Cruiser seem to me to be the most interesting. I'll likely have to get them one at a time. Depending on how well the JV Wingmen perform, the Warship may actually turn out to be a cross-faction "balance" to the Scimitar/Kopesh. I don't expect that it will perform quite as well, but it could come close if built right. The consoles and traits seem interesting on some and I'd like to see what the set bonuses look like.
  • pweistheworstpweistheworst Member Posts: 986 Arc User
    Will the Spiral Wave Disruptor Lance universal console from the T6 Cardassian Keldon (which also works on the T5/T5U Cardassian Galor class) also work with the new T6 Cardassian ships?
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  • ltminnsltminns Member Posts: 12,569 Arc User
    They stated that the Cardassian Ship Consoles from these ships can be used on any ship, unlike the Jem'Hadar Vanguard Ships which may only be used on other Jem'Hadar Vanguard Ships.
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  • lordgyorlordgyor Member Posts: 2,820 Arc User
    > @ltminns said:
    > They stated that the Cardassian Ship Consoles from these ships can be used on any ship, unlike the Jem'Hadar Vanguard Ships which may only be used on other Jem'Hadar Vanguard Ships.

    I think they were speaking about the Intel Cardassian ships, not the Keldon Cruiser, but I could be wrong.
  • ltminnsltminns Member Posts: 12,569 Arc User
    Yes, I was referring to the Consoles on the new ships. The Lance from the Keldon does read right now only on the Galor and Keldon, unless changed because of the new ships, which is what he was asking.

    Still this is 'big' that T6 Ship Consoles being able to be deployed outside of a specific set of ships.
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  • jupwisejupwise Member Posts: 31 Arc User
    edited May 2018
    Can any of these ships use old models as well?

    These are all entirely-new starships, that don't share customization with any existing ships in terms of physical pieces. They do, however, share some material and window options with existing ships.
    phoenix841 wrote: »
    I wonder if the 3-piece Cardassian set has an additional bonus.

    There are additional Set Bonuses for each of these sets of ship consoles: Jem'Hadar Vanguard, and Cardassian Intel. I will look into those details being added to this blog at some point.
    phoenix841 wrote: »
    It sounds like that wingman feature is a built-in ship feature (like command powers).

    This is more-or-less accurate, except that we could potentially make a Vanguard Command ship at some point in the future, which would have both of these sets of innate powers. This feature shares a design space with Romulan Singularity, but we specifically wanted to avoid making players have to itemize for it (unlike they do with Singularity Cores).
    phoenix841 wrote: »
    Will the gunboats be player pilot-able? I'd love to have a small craft one of those.

    Not upon release of ViL, but perhaps at some point in the future. They look wicked!
    lordgyor wrote: »
    They didn't show a pic of the Yawuka Frigates, but did say they were basically upgraded Hideki Class frigates, so I figure they look like Hideki, but beautified.

    They were revealed on our Ten Forward Livestream. They are essentially Hideki Frigates in physical form, but are using the Cardassian-Intel material. (So, yeah, "beautified" is fairly spot-on.)
    lordgyor wrote: »
    Btw where does the Evasive Burst I, II, and come from.

    It's just a shorter-duration, shorter-cooldown version of Evasive Maneuvers.

    Hi Jeremy,

    Do you have an ETA on the console set bonuses blog update? It would be interesting to see what they are!

    Also I posted these questions in other threads but never got an answer:
    - Will other factions be able to get the Jem'hadar small craft (my fed only flies jem'hadar)
    - Will we be able to outfit our buffs with EV suit from the pack or is it really only 1?

    Thanks
    Mel
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  • athyinliveathyinlive Member Posts: 18 Arc User
    Hello
    With the T5 Jem'Hadar Attack Ship, this pack would have been great :)
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  • gypsydanger1gypsydanger1 Member Posts: 37 Arc User
    athyinlive wrote: »
    Hello
    With the T5 Jem'Hadar Attack Ship, this pack would have been great :)

    This will be the starter ship for all new Jem'Hadar chars!

  • xungnguyenxungnguyen Member Posts: 233 Arc User
    Nice. Will we get a free toon slot for ViL?
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  • caanoscaanos Member Posts: 23 Arc User
    jupwise wrote: »
    phoenix841 wrote: »
    I wonder if the 3-piece Cardassian set has an additional bonus.

    There are additional Set Bonuses for each of these sets of ship consoles: Jem'Hadar Vanguard, and Cardassian Intel. I will look into those details being added to this blog at some point.

    Hi Jeremy,

    Do you have an ETA on the console set bonuses blog update? It would be interesting to see what they are!

    Thanks
    Mel
    Agreed. Really want to see just what the console set bonuses are. Waiting for them before buying the Vanguard pack.

  • lordgyorlordgyor Member Posts: 2,820 Arc User
    > @caanos said:
    > jupwise wrote: »
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    > borticuscryptic wrote: »
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    > phoenix841 wrote: »
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    > I wonder if the 3-piece Cardassian set has an additional bonus.
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    > There are additional Set Bonuses for each of these sets of ship consoles: Jem'Hadar Vanguard, and Cardassian Intel. I will look into those details being added to this blog at some point.
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    > Hi Jeremy,
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    > Do you have an ETA on the console set bonuses blog update? It would be interesting to see what they are!
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    > Thanks
    > Mel
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    > Agreed. Really want to see just what the console set bonuses are. Waiting for them before buying the Vanguard pack.

    That is understandable.
  • cross821cross821 Member Posts: 185 Arc User
    We need the console set bonuses! You want money and I want console set bonuses so lets make a deal.
  • lordgyorlordgyor Member Posts: 2,820 Arc User
    edited May 2018
    > @cross821 said:
    > We need the console set bonuses! You want money and I want console set bonuses so lets make a deal.

    We have the console set bonuses now.

    For the Vanguard Supierority set its +1% shield penetration for every ally within 10kms of you (max 5%).

    For the 3 piece set its +5% turn rate and impulse speed whenever your hit from behind.

    Four piece set is 20% hull capcity and -60 seconds to the consoles CD.

    For the Cardassian version its -10% Weapon power cost and +5% firing haste for energy weapons.

    For the 3 piece set +15% Disruptor Damage, +15 Disruptor Resistance, and and -60 seconds to the consoles CD (example by itself the Mbile Torpedo Platform lasts for 80 seconds, with a 120 second CD, with the 3 piece set bonus, its out for 80 seconds and has its CD cut to 60 seconds meaning it can be out 100% of the time barring its destruction.)
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  • seaofsorrowsseaofsorrows Member Posts: 10,918 Arc User
    edited June 2018
    [Edit] - Replied to the wrong post.. ignore.
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  • athyinliveathyinlive Member Posts: 18 Arc User
    athyinlive wrote: »
    Hello
    With the T5 Jem'Hadar Attack Ship, this pack would have been great :)

    This will be the starter ship for all new Jem'Hadar chars!

    Wrong, that's not the same ship
    this is not useable as hangar :(
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