Other than game-wide systems (sec deflector, ex weapons, cruiser commands, etc) no old ships have ever been upgraded years later.
Maybe for the T7 flagships.
T5 Galaxy-X got its Ensign changed to a Universal slot and gained the ability to saucer separate with the Galaxy's console equipped. T5 Vesta ships had their shield mods bumped up. Both of these were a long bit after those ships were released.
While I agree that flagships (in theory) should really stand out, the current flagships we do have are more than capable of handling the game’s content.
Would it be nice that they have something that makes them unique? Absolutely! But the tone of this poll gives me the impression that the OP just wants to have an uber ship. By the way, they do have something that makes them unique, they are called Flag Ships. No other ships in the game can make that claim (for what it’s worth).
I will concede that the T5 flagships were... underwhelming, to put it nicely. However, the T6 ships are wonderful, IMO. I have the tac versions of the Fed and KDF flagships, and I thoroughly enjoy them. They’re not flashy and loaded with gimmicks, they do their job and do it well. That’s really all you need. They are solid designs.
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I don’t know much about Kling ships but to my knowledge the Oddis (not to mention the Scim) belong to the most powerful ships in game. The console set which can be only slotted on those is very much responsible for that.
The scimitar has been on top of the DPS charts for seasons now and will end up there again in S14 (300k-400k DPS at least). The Oddi on the other hand is a ship often favored by tank players and if I’m not mistaken flocki used it get in the 250k+ DPS reach with her sci toon.
You really want them to become more powerful OP? Well I don’t mind for sure but please let’s not do it under the false pretense that they are old and obsolete - lol - ok?
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I agree with you that the Odyssey's and the Bortasque's seem a little underwhelming. However, perhaps either giving the ships some boosts to their stats or some better synergy between their t-6 and t-5 console sets would be a better way to go?
I agree the T6 Ody is a bit underwhelming... Still I think there are a few CSTORE T6 ships that fit into a similar Category; not quite sure what could be done though. As someone also quoted the T6 Excelsior as another underwhelming example which all my Federation character's have including the Fleet version. Realize however Experimental weapons are mostly limited to Escort's or Raider's as their far more squishy... Realize getting weapons or gear to Mk XIV Ultra / Legendary isn't what going to get's you into the +70k category; let alone the 100k - 400k club. You'd be lucky if you broke 50k maybe 55 if you're lucky.
"Flagship" is a term that has no bearing on anything outside of the game universe. Just because an Odyssey-class is the Federation Flagship doesn't mean the mechanics of the ship in the hands of players necessarily has to be special.
Remember, you are not commanding the Enterprise, Shon is. You are commanding the USS Name Generator. These are not the same thing.
DPS really comes down to two key things... ...and I'm not in DPS League or a chaser of it either. It's mostly earned by collecting better Lockbox Space Trait's / StarShip Traits ships limited to a single character | being either really lucky or having invested a great deal. Finally you also need to make sure you've also unlocked the 5th trait slot's for space, and then repeat for the ground, which may take time...
Still I miss the good old day's 2+ year's ago when far more queue's would load faster. I don't suspect its because there are less people logging in, just many queue's have seen the level of difficulty increase... I've also seen others whom I know having purchased dozens of CSTORE ships over the year's finding they feel similar about their ship's ability to perform. It mostly comes down to trait's and having many of the best ones available like it or not.
I just hope Gene Roddenberry's vision almost a quarter century later that envisioned a future Earth where poverty, hunger, and disease were eliminated; while shelter and education was provided for. I think that model for society is what draws so many fans into Star Trek, even as hard as it is to envision us ever making the leap in real life.
Flagship: the best or most important product, idea, building, etc. that an organization owns or produces.
Currently they aren't the best, maybe they are the most important, though.
you need to learn how to use a dictionary...that is not the meaning of "Flagship" in the naval sense. Words can have different meanings according to the context they are used in. Otherwise a "(Chicken)wing" can be used in the same way and in the same context as an "aircraft wing". Both are wings, but only one can make you fly.
> @reyan01 said: > nikephorus wrote: » > > Try using the T6 Excelsior if you want an underwhelming cruiser experience. > > > > > LOL - yeah! It feels like someone who doesn't like the Excelsior class, and was unhappy that the T5 version was (at the time) better than it should have been, and decided to get their revenge!
It's the only t6 re-release that didn't receive a universal slot. Hestia, Andromeda, Valiant, Yamato, Pathfinder, ...etc all got uni stations.
The sci variants have Sensor Analysis which still is a unique feature among cruisers and I might be mistaken but I think the tac bort is the only (battle-) cruiser with 5 tac console slots (not counting the tac MW ships). Let alone the scimi variants which are all kinds of wonky compared to everything else in the game. Cmdr tac seat, 5/3 layout, 1 hangar, nothing else comes even close to that layout.
Special gimmicks aside they're all very solid ships and don't need any kind of "improvement" to top the charts.
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> LOL - yeah! It feels like someone who doesn't like the Excelsior class, and was unhappy that the T5 version was (at the time) better than it should have been, and decided to get their revenge!
It's the only t6 re-release that didn't receive a universal slot. Hestia, Andromeda, Valiant, Yamato, Pathfinder, ...etc all got uni stations.
Probably because that would make it exactly like the Andromeda, including it's placement of the spec seat. Which was kinda the point of spec seats so we don't have such cloned native boff layouts.
Also, weren't they released just 6-8 weeks apart? I know hindsight is a b*tch but that should have been planned out better.
I think what's being discounted here is obsolescence. The Enterprise is the first christened flagship and the 'first' Odyssey is our Enterprise, but Enterprise is never the only advanced ship of it's period. The flagships always eventually get outclassed by 'lesser' ships. The Enterprise of past works was outclassed by a whole library of ships between then and 'now' and that's not even counting Romulan/Klingon/Borg/Alien ships. Yes, the flagships have been outclassed. That happens. Alot. Heck, Enterprise A despite being refit was still outclassed by the Excelsior. The only reason they escaped is because Scotty was a crafty TRIBBLE.
I just hope Gene Roddenberry's vision almost a quarter century later that envisioned a future Earth where poverty, hunger, and disease were eliminated; while shelter and education was provided for. I think that model for society is what draws so many fans into Star Trek, even as hard as it is to envision us ever making the leap in real life.
Star Trek, The Original Series came out from 1965-1968. At this point it's been 52 years. So half a century later.
Needs more Specialization seating. Doesn't have to be at Cmdr level. A single command Lt Cmdr Command slot is piddly compared to some of the other seating that other T6 ships get.
Yes, the flagships have been outclassed. That happens. Alot. Heck, Enterprise A despite being refit was still outclassed by the Excelsior. The only reason they escaped is because Scotty was a crafty ****.
Maybe in reality, though Trek never really shows it. The only Federation flagship we saw in canon (the Enterprise-D) was was able to keep up with younger and more advanced ships fairly well.
Yes, the flagships have been outclassed. That happens. Alot. Heck, Enterprise A despite being refit was still outclassed by the Excelsior. The only reason they escaped is because Scotty was a crafty ****.
Maybe in reality, though Trek never really shows it. The only Federation flagship we saw in canon (the Enterprise-D) was was able to keep up with younger and more advanced ships fairly well.
Yes, the flagships have been outclassed. That happens. Alot. Heck, Enterprise A despite being refit was still outclassed by the Excelsior. The only reason they escaped is because Scotty was a crafty ****.
Maybe in reality, though Trek never really shows it. The only Federation flagship we saw in canon (the Enterprise-D) was was able to keep up with younger and more advanced ships fairly well.
These are all the Enterprises that we have seen from the lauch of TOS in 1965, all the way to where we are now. Three of those have been destroyed.
Yes, the only one in canon was the D. The only time a prime universe Enterprise other than the D was listed as a flagship is in the comics, not in any canon sources.
Yes, the flagships have been outclassed. That happens. Alot. Heck, Enterprise A despite being refit was still outclassed by the Excelsior. The only reason they escaped is because Scotty was a crafty ****.
Maybe in reality, though Trek never really shows it. The only Federation flagship we saw in canon (the Enterprise-D) was was able to keep up with younger and more advanced ships fairly well.
These are all the Enterprises that we have seen from the lauch of TOS in 1965, all the way to where we are now. Three of those have been destroyed.
Yes, the only one in canon was the D. The only time a prime universe Enterprise other than the D was listed as a flagship is in the comics, not in any canon sources.
Hmm.. I'll have to look it up. I was going by what we saw on screen, not what was listed.
I think it's not so much that the ships are old and outdated with regards to power. More simply that they've been around awhile and the shine has worn off.
It's not the newest car on the market, any longer.
Flagship: the best or most important product, idea, building, etc. that an organization owns or produces.
Currently they aren't the best, maybe they are the most important, though.
you need to learn how to use a dictionary...that is not the meaning of "Flagship" in the naval sense. Words can have different meanings according to the context they are used in. Otherwise a "(Chicken)wing" can be used in the same way and in the same context as an "aircraft wing". Both are wings, but only one can make you fly.
Actually this is less calintane's fault as more the fault of the dictionary linked to, giving only the metaphorical definition of flagship and completely ignoring the original definition the metaphorical originates from. (Or I cannot use it either)
Either way, as has been pointed out, a flagship is a ship, not a class, so it doesn't really make sense to begin with to call a class "flagship", unless we are talking again metaphorically (in which case: no, they aren't with Feds and Klinks). The US Navy, as an example, currently has two flagships, which would actually be quite ineffective in combat for themselves, their job is to be a floating headquarter.
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Flagship: the best or most important product, idea, building, etc. that an organization owns or produces.
Currently they aren't the best, maybe they are the most important, though.
you need to learn how to use a dictionary...that is not the meaning of "Flagship" in the naval sense. Words can have different meanings according to the context they are used in. Otherwise a "(Chicken)wing" can be used in the same way and in the same context as an "aircraft wing". Both are wings, but only one can make you fly.
Actually this is less calintane's fault as more the fault of the dictionary linked to, giving only the metaphorical definition of flagship and completely ignoring the original definition the metaphorical originates from. (Or I cannot use it either)
Either way, as has been pointed out, a flagship is a ship, not a class, so it doesn't really make sense to begin with to call a class "flagship", unless we are talking again metaphorically (in which case: no, they aren't with Feds and Klinks). The US Navy, as an example, currently has two flagships, which would actually be quite ineffective in combat for themselves, their job is to be a floating headquarter.
but in game those ships ARE the flagships of their factions (Enterprise, Bortasque, ...) . that is why they are called "the flagships" in game I guess.
and no, you apparently need to learn how to use a dictionary aswell! Take a look at the site again...it is clearly indicated in the cambridge dictionary that flagship in the sense you refer to is only used when talking about products of any kind. Then, a little down, there is the meaning with "ships" (in brackets). So, no the dictionary is crystal clear on what "flagship" means in the context of ships.
I see two viable options for this, at the cost of triggering the user-hate.
1. Switching the spec seats to the Commander seat. (which has a minimal to none benefit at the cost of adding some flexibility, especially for non-dps hungry users).
2. Giving the Tac flagships - intel limited spec seats (oss isnt what it used to be, so its no longer a reason to cry). Giving the Eng flagships - Miraculous worker spec seats (hell yeah!) Giving the Sci flagships - Temporal operative spec seats.
All of these just add diversity to the flagship's canonic aspect and allow further options without turning them into something else.
Waitin' and relyin' on some hate for this post though.
Give this time. Currently the flagship of Starfleet is the Enterprise. But this is also a designation by fleet. For example.
Accordingly, the carrier USS Harry S. Truman (CVN-75) will be the first carrier to deploy under this new O-FRP cycle, replacing the preciously-scheduled Eisenhower in the deployment lineup. Additionally, the Carrier Strike Group Eight command staff will deploy with the Truman while the Eisenhower will serves as the new flagship for Carrier Strike Group Ten.
Each fleet, or in the case, Strike Group, has it's own flagship. Also known as the Command ship. Which can be replaced at any time. There are several for the U.S. Navy, depending on which Strike Group they belong to.
Now take in to account with STO. We started in 2409, the Obby Enterprise became the flagship. The STO time line has hit 2410, as of Beyond the Nexus. So we've advanced a whole year in game. So the Oddy is still a brand new ship, barely a year out of dry-dock.
So it's chances of a refit or overhaul at this time are infinitesimally small. Remember, the standard life span for Starfleet vessels is 100 years. This can be extended with refits.
and no, you apparently need to learn how to use a dictionary aswell! Take a look at the site again...it is clearly indicated in the cambridge dictionary that flagship in the sense you refer to is only used when talking about products of any kind. Then, a little down, there is the meaning with "ships" (in brackets). So, no the dictionary is crystal clear on what "flagship" means in the context of ships.
Yes, you are correct, and I needed that help because I honestly overlooked that. My bad, sorry, and thanks.
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It sounds like what you're actually after is a cosmetic chassis/ship appearance option.
The classifications they give ships are just marketing noise. Cryptic has had such a terrible track record with naming conventions that you're seriously just setting yourself up for misery if you're actually expecting it to make sense. =L
("Dreadnoughts" and "Battlecruisers", as examples, are so widely inconsistent that they simply fail to function as adequate classification/performance descriptors and have instead become little more than 'buzz words' to push interest.)
Give this time. Currently the flagship of Starfleet is the Enterprise. But this is also a designation by fleet. For example.
Accordingly, the carrier USS Harry S. Truman (CVN-75) will be the first carrier to deploy under this new O-FRP cycle, replacing the preciously-scheduled Eisenhower in the deployment lineup. Additionally, the Carrier Strike Group Eight command staff will deploy with the Truman while the Eisenhower will serves as the new flagship for Carrier Strike Group Ten.
Each fleet, or in the case, Strike Group, has it's own flagship. Also known as the Command ship. Which can be replaced at any time. There are several for the U.S. Navy, depending on which Strike Group they belong to.
Now take in to account with STO. We started in 2409, the Obby Enterprise became the flagship. The STO time line has hit 2410, as of Beyond the Nexus. So we've advanced a whole year in game. So the Oddy is still a brand new ship, barely a year out of dry-dock.
So it's chances of a refit or overhaul at this time are infinitesimally small. Remember, the standard life span for Starfleet vessels is 100 years. This can be extended with refits.
The trick is instead of building one ship in mass, Star Fleet is throwing all the darts at the board to see what sticks the best.
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Maybe for the T7 flagships.
T5 Galaxy-X got its Ensign changed to a Universal slot and gained the ability to saucer separate with the Galaxy's console equipped. T5 Vesta ships had their shield mods bumped up. Both of these were a long bit after those ships were released.
Would it be nice that they have something that makes them unique? Absolutely! But the tone of this poll gives me the impression that the OP just wants to have an uber ship. By the way, they do have something that makes them unique, they are called Flag Ships. No other ships in the game can make that claim (for what it’s worth).
I will concede that the T5 flagships were... underwhelming, to put it nicely. However, the T6 ships are wonderful, IMO. I have the tac versions of the Fed and KDF flagships, and I thoroughly enjoy them. They’re not flashy and loaded with gimmicks, they do their job and do it well. That’s really all you need. They are solid designs.
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The scimitar has been on top of the DPS charts for seasons now and will end up there again in S14 (300k-400k DPS at least). The Oddi on the other hand is a ship often favored by tank players and if I’m not mistaken flocki used it get in the 250k+ DPS reach with her sci toon.
You really want them to become more powerful OP? Well I don’t mind for sure but please let’s not do it under the false pretense that they are old and obsolete - lol - ok?
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I agree the T6 Ody is a bit underwhelming... Still I think there are a few CSTORE T6 ships that fit into a similar Category; not quite sure what could be done though. As someone also quoted the T6 Excelsior as another underwhelming example which all my Federation character's have including the Fleet version. Realize however Experimental weapons are mostly limited to Escort's or Raider's as their far more squishy... Realize getting weapons or gear to Mk XIV Ultra / Legendary isn't what going to get's you into the +70k category; let alone the 100k - 400k club. You'd be lucky if you broke 50k maybe 55 if you're lucky.
DPS really comes down to two key things... ...and I'm not in DPS League or a chaser of it either. It's mostly earned by collecting better Lockbox Space Trait's / StarShip Traits ships limited to a single character | being either really lucky or having invested a great deal. Finally you also need to make sure you've also unlocked the 5th trait slot's for space, and then repeat for the ground, which may take time...
Still I miss the good old day's 2+ year's ago when far more queue's would load faster. I don't suspect its because there are less people logging in, just many queue's have seen the level of difficulty increase... I've also seen others whom I know having purchased dozens of CSTORE ships over the year's finding they feel similar about their ship's ability to perform. It mostly comes down to trait's and having many of the best ones available like it or not.
I just hope Gene Roddenberry's vision almost a quarter century later that envisioned a future Earth where poverty, hunger, and disease were eliminated; while shelter and education was provided for. I think that model for society is what draws so many fans into Star Trek, even as hard as it is to envision us ever making the leap in real life.
you need to learn how to use a dictionary...that is not the meaning of "Flagship" in the naval sense. Words can have different meanings according to the context they are used in. Otherwise a "(Chicken)wing" can be used in the same way and in the same context as an "aircraft wing". Both are wings, but only one can make you fly.
https://www.arcgames.com/en/games/xbox/star-trek-online/news/detail/10401183-t6-flagships!
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> LOL - yeah! It feels like someone who doesn't like the Excelsior class, and was unhappy that the T5 version was (at the time) better than it should have been, and decided to get their revenge!
It's the only t6 re-release that didn't receive a universal slot. Hestia, Andromeda, Valiant, Yamato, Pathfinder, ...etc all got uni stations.
Special gimmicks aside they're all very solid ships and don't need any kind of "improvement" to top the charts.
Probably because that would make it exactly like the Andromeda, including it's placement of the spec seat. Which was kinda the point of spec seats so we don't have such cloned native boff layouts.
Also, weren't they released just 6-8 weeks apart? I know hindsight is a b*tch but that should have been planned out better.
Star Trek, The Original Series came out from 1965-1968. At this point it's been 52 years. So half a century later.
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The only one in canon was the Ent-D?
Bah!
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These are all the Enterprises that we have seen from the lauch of TOS in 1965, all the way to where we are now. Three of those have been destroyed.
Hmm.. I'll have to look it up. I was going by what we saw on screen, not what was listed.
It's not the newest car on the market, any longer.
Actually this is less calintane's fault as more the fault of the dictionary linked to, giving only the metaphorical definition of flagship and completely ignoring the original definition the metaphorical originates from. (Or I cannot use it either)
Either way, as has been pointed out, a flagship is a ship, not a class, so it doesn't really make sense to begin with to call a class "flagship", unless we are talking again metaphorically (in which case: no, they aren't with Feds and Klinks). The US Navy, as an example, currently has two flagships, which would actually be quite ineffective in combat for themselves, their job is to be a floating headquarter.
but in game those ships ARE the flagships of their factions (Enterprise, Bortasque, ...) . that is why they are called "the flagships" in game I guess.
and no, you apparently need to learn how to use a dictionary aswell! Take a look at the site again...it is clearly indicated in the cambridge dictionary that flagship in the sense you refer to is only used when talking about products of any kind. Then, a little down, there is the meaning with "ships" (in brackets). So, no the dictionary is crystal clear on what "flagship" means in the context of ships.
1. Switching the spec seats to the Commander seat. (which has a minimal to none benefit at the cost of adding some flexibility, especially for non-dps hungry users).
2. Giving the Tac flagships - intel limited spec seats (oss isnt what it used to be, so its no longer a reason to cry).
Giving the Eng flagships - Miraculous worker spec seats (hell yeah!)
Giving the Sci flagships - Temporal operative spec seats.
All of these just add diversity to the flagship's canonic aspect and allow further options without turning them into something else.
Waitin' and relyin' on some hate for this post though.
Accordingly, the carrier USS Harry S. Truman (CVN-75) will be the first carrier to deploy under this new O-FRP cycle, replacing the preciously-scheduled Eisenhower in the deployment lineup. Additionally, the Carrier Strike Group Eight command staff will deploy with the Truman while the Eisenhower will serves as the new flagship for Carrier Strike Group Ten.
Each fleet, or in the case, Strike Group, has it's own flagship. Also known as the Command ship. Which can be replaced at any time. There are several for the U.S. Navy, depending on which Strike Group they belong to.
Now take in to account with STO. We started in 2409, the Obby Enterprise became the flagship. The STO time line has hit 2410, as of Beyond the Nexus. So we've advanced a whole year in game. So the Oddy is still a brand new ship, barely a year out of dry-dock.
So it's chances of a refit or overhaul at this time are infinitesimally small. Remember, the standard life span for Starfleet vessels is 100 years. This can be extended with refits.
Yes, you are correct, and I needed that help because I honestly overlooked that. My bad, sorry, and thanks.
The classifications they give ships are just marketing noise. Cryptic has had such a terrible track record with naming conventions that you're seriously just setting yourself up for misery if you're actually expecting it to make sense. =L
("Dreadnoughts" and "Battlecruisers", as examples, are so widely inconsistent that they simply fail to function as adequate classification/performance descriptors and have instead become little more than 'buzz words' to push interest.)
The trick is instead of building one ship in mass, Star Fleet is throwing all the darts at the board to see what sticks the best.