For PC probably soon which is great for PC players I notice they get better treatment then console players, Today free on PC ships and uniforms free. Today on PS4 ships and uniforms only 2000 zen. Today on Xbox if you spend 50,000 zen on R&D boxes you might but guaranteed not to get any of the ships and uniforms, in fact we will sit back and drink and laugh while we watch the money roll in because you think you might actually have a chance at getting something (evil laughing). Yeah that's the way I see it happening, that's been pretty much the way it has been so far on Xbox. I can go on with the rant and I know already some will say stop playing it, but I do love Star Trek and I love the game but just hate the mistreatment. I don't spend money on it anymore. I just fly around and redo the mission.
usually it's the other way around, PC's are usually the last to know where as consoles get the early release, it used to drive me mad how that was always the case. Now it's working in reverse for sto. Strange world we all live in.
T6 Miranda Hero Ship FTW. Been around since Dec 2010 on STO and bought LTS in Apr 2013 for STO.
Something i never saw mentioned anywhere else too is that the Shenzou has it's bridge on the underside, not the top. And it had a big glass floor to see out of too.
Pretty interesting design that i think. People are always say the bridge is too exposed on the top, now it's exposed on the bottom!
Yep - unusual, and will take some getting used to.
Something i never saw mentioned anywhere else too is that the Shenzou has it's bridge on the underside, not the top. And it had a big glass floor to see out of too.
Pretty interesting design that i think. People are always say the bridge is too exposed on the top, now it's exposed on the bottom!
Something i never saw mentioned anywhere else too is that the Shenzou has it's bridge on the underside, not the top. And it had a big glass floor to see out of too.
Pretty interesting design that i think. People are always say the bridge is too exposed on the top, now it's exposed on the bottom!
Yep - unusual, and will take some getting used to.
Well, if it operates near planets or can actually land, that's a fantastically better arrangement than the 'on top for reasons' we've had going on.
Mk1 Eyeball isn't the most trusted means of landing a ship, ship equipment will probably be needed to make sure the nacelles aren't destroyed when it comes to the landing phase. Only a few federation starships have the ability to go into an atmosphere and even fewer can land on a planet during the 24th century, it's very possible ships from this era have no concept on how to land a very large starship with a massive mass being pulled by a planets gravity.
T6 Miranda Hero Ship FTW. Been around since Dec 2010 on STO and bought LTS in Apr 2013 for STO.
Something i never saw mentioned anywhere else too is that the Shenzou has it's bridge on the underside, not the top. And it had a big glass floor to see out of too.
Pretty interesting design that i think. People are always say the bridge is too exposed on the top, now it's exposed on the bottom!
"They always say putting the bridge on top is way too dangerous. If they insist... "
the reason why it might be completely irrelevant where the bridge is located might be seen in the show, too - at the end, the Shenzou is held together by force fields, and not much else. There are giant holes that go from top to bottom through the saucer.
It might also point out how much tougher the Constution Class is in comparison... We basically never see this happen during TOS or the movies. Even the direct photon torpedo hits in TUC don't seem that bad.
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This thread also reminds me that the Galaxy Interior has one glaring omission: No Battle Bridge.
Star Trek Online Advancement: You start with lowbie gear, you end with Lobi gear.
A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch." "We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
Passion and Serenity are one.
I gain power by understanding both.
In the chaos of their battle, I bring order.
I am a shadow, darkness born from light.
The Force is united within me.
Something i never saw mentioned anywhere else too is that the Shenzou has it's bridge on the underside, not the top. And it had a big glass floor to see out of too.
Pretty interesting design that i think. People are always say the bridge is too exposed on the top, now it's exposed on the bottom!
Yep - unusual, and will take some getting used to.
Well, if it operates near planets or can actually land, that's a fantastically better arrangement than the 'on top for reasons' we've had going on.
Mk1 Eyeball isn't the most trusted means of landing a ship, ship equipment will probably be needed to make sure the nacelles aren't destroyed when it comes to the landing phase. Only a few federation starships have the ability to go into an atmosphere and even fewer can land on a planet during the 24th century, it's very possible ships from this era have no concept on how to land a very large starship with a massive mass being pulled by a planets gravity.
I am not sure if I misread or if you're saying what I am saying now:
It's quite possible 23rd century (or older) ships still can land on planets, because they are much smaller, and they aren't all constructed in space docks yet. Specifically ships with the Shenzou design that are mostly flat on the underside could relatively easily do it, while a ship like the Enterprise (any kown version except perhaps the J) are structuraly completely impractical or landing.
Star Trek Online Advancement: You start with lowbie gear, you end with Lobi gear.
Something i never saw mentioned anywhere else too is that the Shenzou has it's bridge on the underside, not the top. And it had a big glass floor to see out of too.
Pretty interesting design that i think. People are always say the bridge is too exposed on the top, now it's exposed on the bottom!
Yep - unusual, and will take some getting used to.
Well, if it operates near planets or can actually land, that's a fantastically better arrangement than the 'on top for reasons' we've had going on.
Mk1 Eyeball isn't the most trusted means of landing a ship, ship equipment will probably be needed to make sure the nacelles aren't destroyed when it comes to the landing phase. Only a few federation starships have the ability to go into an atmosphere and even fewer can land on a planet during the 24th century, it's very possible ships from this era have no concept on how to land a very large starship with a massive mass being pulled by a planets gravity.
I am not sure if I misread or if you're saying what I am saying now:
It's quite possible 23rd century (or older) ships still can land on planets, because they are much smaller, and they aren't all constructed in space docks yet. Specifically ships with the Shenzou design that are mostly flat on the underside could relatively easily do it, while a ship like the Enterprise (any kown version except perhaps the J) are structuraly completely impractical or landing.
no you got it in one. The thing with starships is that as you mentioned some are impractical, but most starships are not built to enter atmospheres, even fewer are built with landing gear in mind. Take for example the walker class, does it have enough room to have landing gear built into it? and if it did, how would it be deployed and from where on the underside of the hull?
The weight of a starship could also play a factor, for example a galaxy class is absurd for a ship, it's got this huge saucer with a small engineering module, if the ship landed and all the landing gear with the legs are in the engineering section, all that weight on the neck and the saucer itself would want to topple the ship by planetary gravity, same could be stated of the Akira like the walker class, the nacelles could be completely left without any landing legs, leaving the saucer to carry the weight, especially when the rear half of the ship is more heavier than the front half.
Are these starships capable of flying through an atmosphere? most act like a flying brick due to their general design, little to no aerodynamic benefit. even in the 22nd century Enterprise and Columbia were built in space in spacedock but yet the NX class had capabilities of sorts to operate in an atmosphere because of it's design, the saucer itself is an aero device, but unlike the Akira class or the Walker class, there isn't a great amount of objects in the way to ruin the airflow as such, so the NX could get away with it. The Nova like the Intrepid class ships are more arrowhead shaped, they were designed to cut through the air resistance and operate in atmospheres if needed.
The Mk1 eyeball comment was about how the ship will be landed, having a bridge under the saucer instead of on top doesn't have any great advantages as the pilot can't see where the ship is in relation to the ground, going by feel isn't a starfleet approach as it isn't scientific, having help from the ships sensors to locate where the ship is can help the pilot land the ship more easily.
T6 Miranda Hero Ship FTW. Been around since Dec 2010 on STO and bought LTS in Apr 2013 for STO.
Something i never saw mentioned anywhere else too is that the Shenzou has it's bridge on the underside, not the top. And it had a big glass floor to see out of too.
Pretty interesting design that i think. People are always say the bridge is too exposed on the top, now it's exposed on the bottom!
I always find it strange that in the future when we have view screens we still design our ships with the bridge location being visible externally and thus giving the ship one massive weak spot to target...
Because viewer expectations. Even today warships are more or less commanded from the CIC, which is usually deep inside the ship.
Viewer expectations. That's why we get so much noise in space battles.
'In space, no one can hear you scream.'
'But to be logical is not to be right', and 'nothing' on God's earth could ever 'make it' right!'
Judge Dan Haywood
'As l speak now, the words are forming in my head.
l don't know.
l really don't know what l'm about to say, except l have a feeling about it.
That l must repeat the words that come without my knowledge.'
NOT Kelvin Timeline . Just the current mode of movie 'filming' pervading the industry.
'But to be logical is not to be right', and 'nothing' on God's earth could ever 'make it' right!'
Judge Dan Haywood
'As l speak now, the words are forming in my head.
l don't know.
l really don't know what l'm about to say, except l have a feeling about it.
That l must repeat the words that come without my knowledge.'
A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch." "We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
Passion and Serenity are one.
I gain power by understanding both.
In the chaos of their battle, I bring order.
I am a shadow, darkness born from light.
The Force is united within me.
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usually it's the other way around, PC's are usually the last to know where as consoles get the early release, it used to drive me mad how that was always the case. Now it's working in reverse for sto. Strange world we all live in.
Been around since Dec 2010 on STO and bought LTS in Apr 2013 for STO.
You get a lot of stuff
How did I miss that
Well, if it operates near planets or can actually land, that's a fantastically better arrangement than the 'on top for reasons' we've had going on.
Mk1 Eyeball isn't the most trusted means of landing a ship, ship equipment will probably be needed to make sure the nacelles aren't destroyed when it comes to the landing phase. Only a few federation starships have the ability to go into an atmosphere and even fewer can land on a planet during the 24th century, it's very possible ships from this era have no concept on how to land a very large starship with a massive mass being pulled by a planets gravity.
Been around since Dec 2010 on STO and bought LTS in Apr 2013 for STO.
the reason why it might be completely irrelevant where the bridge is located might be seen in the show, too - at the end, the Shenzou is held together by force fields, and not much else. There are giant holes that go from top to bottom through the saucer.
It might also point out how much tougher the Constution Class is in comparison... We basically never see this happen during TOS or the movies. Even the direct photon torpedo hits in TUC don't seem that bad.
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This thread also reminds me that the Galaxy Interior has one glaring omission: No Battle Bridge.
except for the one that ripped right through the entire saucer, totaling what looked like a galley in the process
#LegalizeAwoo
A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch."
"We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
I am not sure if I misread or if you're saying what I am saying now:
It's quite possible 23rd century (or older) ships still can land on planets, because they are much smaller, and they aren't all constructed in space docks yet. Specifically ships with the Shenzou design that are mostly flat on the underside could relatively easily do it, while a ship like the Enterprise (any kown version except perhaps the J) are structuraly completely impractical or landing.
no you got it in one. The thing with starships is that as you mentioned some are impractical, but most starships are not built to enter atmospheres, even fewer are built with landing gear in mind. Take for example the walker class, does it have enough room to have landing gear built into it? and if it did, how would it be deployed and from where on the underside of the hull?
The weight of a starship could also play a factor, for example a galaxy class is absurd for a ship, it's got this huge saucer with a small engineering module, if the ship landed and all the landing gear with the legs are in the engineering section, all that weight on the neck and the saucer itself would want to topple the ship by planetary gravity, same could be stated of the Akira like the walker class, the nacelles could be completely left without any landing legs, leaving the saucer to carry the weight, especially when the rear half of the ship is more heavier than the front half.
Are these starships capable of flying through an atmosphere? most act like a flying brick due to their general design, little to no aerodynamic benefit. even in the 22nd century Enterprise and Columbia were built in space in spacedock but yet the NX class had capabilities of sorts to operate in an atmosphere because of it's design, the saucer itself is an aero device, but unlike the Akira class or the Walker class, there isn't a great amount of objects in the way to ruin the airflow as such, so the NX could get away with it. The Nova like the Intrepid class ships are more arrowhead shaped, they were designed to cut through the air resistance and operate in atmospheres if needed.
The Mk1 eyeball comment was about how the ship will be landed, having a bridge under the saucer instead of on top doesn't have any great advantages as the pilot can't see where the ship is in relation to the ground, going by feel isn't a starfleet approach as it isn't scientific, having help from the ships sensors to locate where the ship is can help the pilot land the ship more easily.
Been around since Dec 2010 on STO and bought LTS in Apr 2013 for STO.
Because viewer expectations. Even today warships are more or less commanded from the CIC, which is usually deep inside the ship.
'In space, no one can hear you scream.'
l don't know.
l really don't know what l'm about to say, except l have a feeling about it.
That l must repeat the words that come without my knowledge.'
Sadly everything else about the TRIBBLE Klingons (visual wise at least) was just bad
l don't know.
l really don't know what l'm about to say, except l have a feeling about it.
That l must repeat the words that come without my knowledge.'
Right.. JJ Trek.
#LegalizeAwoo
A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch."
"We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"