I always had the impression Wesley was Picard and Crushet's illegitimate child as they were clearly close and we never actually saw his father in any flashbacks. Was it all a big con to keep his **** lovechild a secret????
His father was revealed when the Enterprise stumbled upon a ferengi with the Stargrazer (picards old ship) if I recall his father was the 1st officer of the ship. There was a holo pic of wesley'sfather
wearing i think was the wrath of Khan era uniform
If Cryptic loses it's mind and does this I can only hope we can vaporize Wesley right after saying "Shut Up Wesley!" so we never see him again. Wesley was one of the things that was just god awful in TNG.
Perfect compromise between Wesley-haters and Wheaton-admirers that would totally bypass the continuity tangle caused by Wesley's reappearance in Nemesis after TNG sent him off with The Traveler, and just crazy enough that the man hisself might pause before saying no (or... might even surprise everyone, including himself):
Mirror Wesley.
Come on. It would be awesome. Search your feelings, you know it's true.
#1 barrier to getting Wesley in STO: It requires approval from the founder of the "we hate Wesley" fan club. Who is that you ask? None other than Wil Wheaton himself. So yeah, you'd need to write a Wesley story that Wil Wheaton likes. Good luck with that, but Mirror Emperor Wesley might work.
I always had the impression Wesley was Picard and Crushet's illegitimate child as they were clearly close and we never actually saw his father in any flashbacks. Was it all a big con to keep his **** lovechild a secret????
His father was revealed when the Enterprise stumbled upon a ferengi with the Stargrazer (picards old ship) if I recall his father was the 1st officer of the ship. There was a holo pic of wesley'sfather
wearing i think was the wrath of Khan era uniform
I always had the impression Wesley was Picard and Crushet's illegitimate child as they were clearly close and we never actually saw his father in any flashbacks. Was it all a big con to keep his **** lovechild a secret????
His father was revealed when the Enterprise stumbled upon a ferengi with the Stargrazer (picards old ship) if I recall his father was the 1st officer of the ship. There was a holo pic of wesley'sfather
wearing i think was the wrath of Khan era uniform
The fourth-season Next Generation episode "Family" has a scene where Wesley visits the Holodeck to play a recording his father made when Wesley was an infant. It's not the worst Wesley plot/subplot, and it's not the worst subplot in the episode (that would be Worf meeting his adoptive human parents), but unfortunately it is a drag on what was otherwise a pretty teriffic episode ("Family" is the episode where a de-Borgified, PTSD Picard goes home to France, flirts with the idea of leaving Starfleet to join some kind of off-brand Seaquest DSV venture an old school buddy is cooking up, gets into a knockdown fight with his brother, gets drunk with his brother, and finally decides to be awesome; that A-plot is one of TNG's finest forty-ish minutes of drama even if you know there's no chance Picard is actually going to take off his captain's pips).
Wheaton is an enjoyable actor who is been in at least one pretty great movie (Stand By Me; why does everybody seem to forget he was in it and was quite good in it?), written one of the most moving blog posts I've ever read about tabletop RPGs and fatherhood, written a pretty good memoir, and done tons of cool stuff as a Famous Internet Personality. It's not his fault at all that Gene Roddenberry, bless 'im, decided that Star Trek needed an adolescent Mary Sue type that was impossible to write for; I can't think of a lot of young actors who could have made the lines the writers jammed into his mouth during the first two seasons tolerable. Which also brings up one more thing I have to say about Wheaton and Wesley: "The First Duty" (the fifth season episode in which Wesley and several other cadets sort of accidentally murder their friend in a stunt-flying mishap) is a very solid episode; it turns out that when you write tolerably believeable dialogue for Wesley Crusher and let Wil Wheaton play him as an angry, confused, and guilty young man who is failing to meet expectations and is now covering up the consequences of completely-ruining-not-saving-the-day, he's actually an engaging character. So there's that.
As a Jean-Luc/Beverly 'shipper, I can totally headcanon that Wes is their secret love child.
And I stand by my proposal that Cryptic offer Wheaton a shot at voicing Evil Wesley with a scar and goatee. They can even give him a chance to tell somebody else to shut up for a change.
> @markhawkman said: > sotsogm wrote: » > > Perfect compromise between Wesley-haters and Wheaton-admirers that would totally bypass the continuity tangle caused by Wesley's reappearance in Nemesis after TNG sent him off with The Traveler, and just crazy enough that the man hisself might pause before saying no (or... might even surprise everyone, including himself): > > Mirror Wesley. >
Now we are cooking with plasma! Mirror Wesley sounds like the perfect villain.
From the trailer [Overdone trailer voice over] ... "In a world where an acting ensign became an Emporer ... a universe scorned him ... and so he learned to feed off of the hatred of others ..."
Cut scene
Eye-patched Wesley walks into the bridge. The camera zooms out to reveal a hulking body covered in tattoos and scars.
"Emporer Crusher, we've lost sight of the Federation ship," says a lowly sensors officer.
Wesley picks up his agony phaser rifle and in one fluid motion fires it at the young officer.
> @markhawkman said:
> sotsogm wrote: »
>
> Perfect compromise between Wesley-haters and Wheaton-admirers that would totally bypass the continuity tangle caused by Wesley's reappearance in Nemesis after TNG sent him off with The Traveler, and just crazy enough that the man hisself might pause before saying no (or... might even surprise everyone, including himself):
>
> Mirror Wesley.
>
Now we are cooking with plasma! Mirror Wesley sounds like the perfect villain.
From the trailer [Overdone trailer voice over]
... "In a world where an acting ensign became an Emporer ... a universe scorned him ... and so he learned to feed off of the hatred of others ..."
Cut scene
Eye-patched Wesley walks into the bridge. The camera zooms out to reveal a hulking body covered in tattoos and scars.
"Emporer Crusher, we've lost sight of the Federation ship," says a lowly sensors officer.
Wesley picks up his agony phaser rifle and in one fluid motion fires it at the young officer.
"Get the hell off my bridge."
Season 15. Star Trek Online.
Please, please, please, I hope there's a dev reading this thread.
He's played himself in 'The Big Bang Theory' a few times. He played it as an as*hole.
'But to be logical is not to be right', and 'nothing' on God's earth could ever 'make it' right!'
Judge Dan Haywood
'As l speak now, the words are forming in my head.
l don't know.
l really don't know what l'm about to say, except l have a feeling about it.
That l must repeat the words that come without my knowledge.'
To be fair, except for Bent Spiner and possibly Patrick Stewart on a good day; you could say that about the entire TNG Main Cast.
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Wheaton has said on several occasions that he doesn't want to play Wesley anymore. While he's grateful for the opportunity, it always seemed like he didn't really enjoy his time in Star Trek due to fan reactions to the character he played.
I have seen him in quite a few things since Star Trek (Dark Matter, Big Bang Theory, Eureka, The Guild) and found him enjoyable in all of it. I like Wil Wheaton as an actor, but I agree with the bulk of Star Trek fans that Wesley Crusher was an awful character and one that's best left forgotten.
The best thing for both Star Trek as well as Wil Wheaton himself would be if both sides just moved on.
Mirror Emporer Wesley and Kelvin Jake Sisko, two interdimensional bounty hunters, have been ambushing outposts through the beta quadrant trying to find your Captain.
He's played himself in 'The Big Bang Theory' a few times. He played it as an as*hole.
That's Evil Wil Wheaton, presumably from the Mirror Universe.
Y'know, that might be the one thing that could tempt him back to the role - let him play Mirror Wesley. He'd give us some Large Ham, with a side of Evil...
There's no issue surrounding Wesley's appearance in Nemesis: He left with the Traveller, he came back. Simple. Doesn't need to be any more complex than he chose to come back. With regards his Child Prodigy status, they apparently tend to burn out when they hit adulthood, so there's also no reason why he would have to be shows as an albeit-grown wünderkindt.
Mirror Universe Emperor, on the other hand, not only what would be the point, but what would the hook be to get us back there? I think it would be too contrived, and come off bad, rather than good.
As mentioned above, the one who would need convincing, is Wil Wheaton, and I can see getting his interest, as being the hardest obstacle to overcome.
"I fight for the Users!" - Tron
"I was here before you, I will be here after you are gone. I am here, regardless of your acknowledgement or acceptance..." - The Truth
punching him. in a team, with our bo's, in single play... not even use weapons. just take your time, on him. could be a quite satisfactory game for many ...
punching him. in a team, with our bo's, in single play... not even use weapons. just take your time, on him. could be a quite satisfactory game for many ...
"I fight for the Users!" - Tron
"I was here before you, I will be here after you are gone. I am here, regardless of your acknowledgement or acceptance..." - The Truth
punching him. in a team, with our bo's, in single play... not even use weapons. just take your time, on him. could be a quite satisfactory game for many ...
Or witch-slap him with the melee attack of the Competitive Wargames revolver. That gun has the perfect animation for that.
> @markhawkman said:
> sotsogm wrote: »
>
> Perfect compromise between Wesley-haters and Wheaton-admirers that would totally bypass the continuity tangle caused by Wesley's reappearance in Nemesis after TNG sent him off with The Traveler, and just crazy enough that the man hisself might pause before saying no (or... might even surprise everyone, including himself):
>
> Mirror Wesley.
>
Now we are cooking with plasma! Mirror Wesley sounds like the perfect villain.
From the trailer [Overdone trailer voice over]
... "In a world where an acting ensign became an Emporer ... a universe scorned him ... and so he learned to feed off of the hatred of others ..."
Cut scene
Eye-patched Wesley walks into the bridge. The camera zooms out to reveal a hulking body covered in tattoos and scars.
"Emporer Crusher, we've lost sight of the Federation ship," says a lowly sensors officer.
Wesley picks up his agony phaser rifle and in one fluid motion fires it at the young officer.
"Get the hell off my bridge."
Season 15. Star Trek Online.
heh! Reads like something found in star wars: "I am Emperor Wesley. The hate fuels my rise to the darkside and my red lightsaber here will do my talking!" Rather cliche honestly.
Give Emperor Wesley a more 3 dimensional character, like Gul Dukat, Wesley is a man that has more than a 2 dimensional outlook to him after you see him struggling with his overwhelming desire to kill his enemies and yet the reasons behind it is because he felt traumatised. So this hate new emperor is one you can feel sorry for and you can also understand.
If Cryptic can pull that off, we might have a real winner.
T6 Miranda Hero Ship FTW. Been around since Dec 2010 on STO and bought LTS in Apr 2013 for STO.
Now Doctor Pulwuski was an interesting character, far more meaty, which they got rid of because of Beverly/Picard shippers.
Pulowski was removed again because they went to far the other extreme when they made someone more antagonistic to the crew. First episode blows of her new captain and informs him she has the right to oust him medically and is apparently going to be looking. Refuses to acknowledge another being's name despite him having proven to be a sentient being in a court of law. There is a reason she got hate beyond the desire to bring the shippers back together.
Originally Posted by pwlaughingtrendy
Network engineers are not ship designers.
Nor should they be. Their ships would look weird.
As to why a mirror again? We have yet to resolve the mirror universe. They have been around since before the temporal war and left still with the ability to come cause issues.
They are one of the best choices of villain match ups because they can duplicate what the Alliance can put on the field. A mirror emperor has a foundation because he has been referred to. Sounds like Gary Mitchell from the power level. But a mirror Wesley who has learned about manipulating reality from the traveler and using that to usurp control of the empire?
You can have the similar effect of a Sela. Someone that knows how you think and react. Who has watched Leeta's actions with amusement, because she thinks she rivals him? Because of a little pah-wraith and tech? He knows the tech. He created it. And his power is his own and it won't abandon him when he is of no use. His skirmishes with the Alliance are not to test them. But to train his people. Prepare them for when he is ready to strike. Because there are far more timelines than these two. . .
Originally Posted by pwlaughingtrendy
Network engineers are not ship designers.
Nor should they be. Their ships would look weird.
Perfect compromise between Wesley-haters and Wheaton-admirers that would totally bypass the continuity tangle caused by Wesley's reappearance in Nemesis after TNG sent him off with The Traveler, and just crazy enough that the man hisself might pause before saying no (or... might even surprise everyone, including himself):
Mirror Wesley.
Come on. It would be awesome. Search your feelings, you know it's true.
Interesting idea. Wesley murders his father, blames Picard, implicates his mother as an accessory due to their affair, then takes command of Enterprise as the youngest Terran Empire starship captain ever. I like Mirror Wesley already.
As to why a mirror again? We have yet to resolve the mirror universe. They have been around since before the temporal war and left still with the ability to come cause issues.
They are one of the best choices of villain match ups because they can duplicate what the Alliance can put on the field. A mirror emperor has a foundation because he has been referred to. Sounds like Gary Mitchell from the power level. But a mirror Wesley who has learned about manipulating reality from the traveler and using that to usurp control of the empire?
You can have the similar effect of a Sela. Someone that knows how you think and react. Who has watched Leeta's actions with amusement, because she thinks she rivals him? Because of a little pah-wraith and tech? He knows the tech. He created it. And his power is his own and it won't abandon him when he is of no use. His skirmishes with the Alliance are not to test them. But to train his people. Prepare them for when he is ready to strike. Because there are far more timelines than these two. . .
This has my interest
"I fight for the Users!" - Tron
"I was here before you, I will be here after you are gone. I am here, regardless of your acknowledgement or acceptance..." - The Truth
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wearing i think was the wrath of Khan era uniform
My character Tsin'xing
Hmmm......planted evidence to cover the truth!
The fourth-season Next Generation episode "Family" has a scene where Wesley visits the Holodeck to play a recording his father made when Wesley was an infant. It's not the worst Wesley plot/subplot, and it's not the worst subplot in the episode (that would be Worf meeting his adoptive human parents), but unfortunately it is a drag on what was otherwise a pretty teriffic episode ("Family" is the episode where a de-Borgified, PTSD Picard goes home to France, flirts with the idea of leaving Starfleet to join some kind of off-brand Seaquest DSV venture an old school buddy is cooking up, gets into a knockdown fight with his brother, gets drunk with his brother, and finally decides to be awesome; that A-plot is one of TNG's finest forty-ish minutes of drama even if you know there's no chance Picard is actually going to take off his captain's pips).
Wheaton is an enjoyable actor who is been in at least one pretty great movie (Stand By Me; why does everybody seem to forget he was in it and was quite good in it?), written one of the most moving blog posts I've ever read about tabletop RPGs and fatherhood, written a pretty good memoir, and done tons of cool stuff as a Famous Internet Personality. It's not his fault at all that Gene Roddenberry, bless 'im, decided that Star Trek needed an adolescent Mary Sue type that was impossible to write for; I can't think of a lot of young actors who could have made the lines the writers jammed into his mouth during the first two seasons tolerable. Which also brings up one more thing I have to say about Wheaton and Wesley: "The First Duty" (the fifth season episode in which Wesley and several other cadets sort of accidentally murder their friend in a stunt-flying mishap) is a very solid episode; it turns out that when you write tolerably believeable dialogue for Wesley Crusher and let Wil Wheaton play him as an angry, confused, and guilty young man who is failing to meet expectations and is now covering up the consequences of completely-ruining-not-saving-the-day, he's actually an engaging character. So there's that.
As a Jean-Luc/Beverly 'shipper, I can totally headcanon that Wes is their secret love child.
And I stand by my proposal that Cryptic offer Wheaton a shot at voicing Evil Wesley with a scar and goatee. They can even give him a chance to tell somebody else to shut up for a change.
> sotsogm wrote: »
>
> Perfect compromise between Wesley-haters and Wheaton-admirers that would totally bypass the continuity tangle caused by Wesley's reappearance in Nemesis after TNG sent him off with The Traveler, and just crazy enough that the man hisself might pause before saying no (or... might even surprise everyone, including himself):
>
> Mirror Wesley.
>
Now we are cooking with plasma! Mirror Wesley sounds like the perfect villain.
From the trailer [Overdone trailer voice over]
... "In a world where an acting ensign became an Emporer ... a universe scorned him ... and so he learned to feed off of the hatred of others ..."
Cut scene
Eye-patched Wesley walks into the bridge. The camera zooms out to reveal a hulking body covered in tattoos and scars.
"Emporer Crusher, we've lost sight of the Federation ship," says a lowly sensors officer.
Wesley picks up his agony phaser rifle and in one fluid motion fires it at the young officer.
"Get the hell off my bridge."
Season 15. Star Trek Online.
Please, please, please, I hope there's a dev reading this thread.
I liked his scenes in that movie. . . . even if I liked seeing him gunned down just a little too much. . .
But I am really starting to like the idea from @usskentucky
A very nice twist on an old character.
Originally Posted by pwlaughingtrendy
Network engineers are not ship designers.
Nor should they be. Their ships would look weird.
l don't know.
l really don't know what l'm about to say, except l have a feeling about it.
That l must repeat the words that come without my knowledge.'
To be fair, except for Bent Spiner and possibly Patrick Stewart on a good day; you could say that about the entire TNG Main Cast.
PWE ARC Drone says: "Your STO forum community as you have known it is ended...Display names are irrelevant...Any further sense of community is irrelevant...Resistance is futile...You will be assimilated..."
I have seen him in quite a few things since Star Trek (Dark Matter, Big Bang Theory, Eureka, The Guild) and found him enjoyable in all of it. I like Wil Wheaton as an actor, but I agree with the bulk of Star Trek fans that Wesley Crusher was an awful character and one that's best left forgotten.
The best thing for both Star Trek as well as Wil Wheaton himself would be if both sides just moved on.
Y'know, that might be the one thing that could tempt him back to the role - let him play Mirror Wesley. He'd give us some Large Ham, with a side of Evil...
Mirror Universe Emperor, on the other hand, not only what would be the point, but what would the hook be to get us back there? I think it would be too contrived, and come off bad, rather than good.
As mentioned above, the one who would need convincing, is Wil Wheaton, and I can see getting his interest, as being the hardest obstacle to overcome.
"I was here before you, I will be here after you are gone. I am here, regardless of your acknowledgement or acceptance..." - The Truth
punching him. in a team, with our bo's, in single play... not even use weapons. just take your time, on him. could be a quite satisfactory game for many ...
"I was here before you, I will be here after you are gone. I am here, regardless of your acknowledgement or acceptance..." - The Truth
There was The Metaphasic shielding plotline, the one where she has her thoughts linked to Picard, the weird candle ghost, and Odan.
Otherwise she was even more boring then he son.
Now Doctor Pulwuski was an interesting character, far more meaty, which they got rid of because of Beverly/Picard shippers.
heh! Reads like something found in star wars: "I am Emperor Wesley. The hate fuels my rise to the darkside and my red lightsaber here will do my talking!" Rather cliche honestly.
Give Emperor Wesley a more 3 dimensional character, like Gul Dukat, Wesley is a man that has more than a 2 dimensional outlook to him after you see him struggling with his overwhelming desire to kill his enemies and yet the reasons behind it is because he felt traumatised. So this hate new emperor is one you can feel sorry for and you can also understand.
If Cryptic can pull that off, we might have a real winner.
Been around since Dec 2010 on STO and bought LTS in Apr 2013 for STO.
Pulowski was removed again because they went to far the other extreme when they made someone more antagonistic to the crew. First episode blows of her new captain and informs him she has the right to oust him medically and is apparently going to be looking. Refuses to acknowledge another being's name despite him having proven to be a sentient being in a court of law. There is a reason she got hate beyond the desire to bring the shippers back together.
Originally Posted by pwlaughingtrendy
Network engineers are not ship designers.
Nor should they be. Their ships would look weird.
They are one of the best choices of villain match ups because they can duplicate what the Alliance can put on the field. A mirror emperor has a foundation because he has been referred to. Sounds like Gary Mitchell from the power level. But a mirror Wesley who has learned about manipulating reality from the traveler and using that to usurp control of the empire?
You can have the similar effect of a Sela. Someone that knows how you think and react. Who has watched Leeta's actions with amusement, because she thinks she rivals him? Because of a little pah-wraith and tech? He knows the tech. He created it. And his power is his own and it won't abandon him when he is of no use. His skirmishes with the Alliance are not to test them. But to train his people. Prepare them for when he is ready to strike. Because there are far more timelines than these two. . .
Originally Posted by pwlaughingtrendy
Network engineers are not ship designers.
Nor should they be. Their ships would look weird.
Interesting idea. Wesley murders his father, blames Picard, implicates his mother as an accessory due to their affair, then takes command of Enterprise as the youngest Terran Empire starship captain ever. I like Mirror Wesley already.
"I was here before you, I will be here after you are gone. I am here, regardless of your acknowledgement or acceptance..." - The Truth