I will say that the reason I ask if Cryptic have anything against the Norway, is because there were reasons originally why the Tier V Excelsior was better in game as a ship then the Tier V Galaxy. That was solely down to the designer at the time having personal bias towards the Excelsior (He mentioned it was his favorite ship on more then one occasion). It was also the same reason he refused to but the New Orleans and other Galaxy Era variants into the game because he personally hated them. So Cryptic have acted out of bias before.
Now, about the Norway. I would prefer it very much if the Norway was kept to its canon representation. It was designed to fit an more scientific and diplomatic role so it would be nice to have a smaller cruiser that leans more towards science. The Norway was basically supposed to pick up some of the workload from the much larger Sovereign Class ships, in the same way that the Intrepid was intended to be a "Galaxy-lite", going places that a Galaxy would simply be unable to operate and much more resource cost effective option for the Federation.
The Norway is reasonably well armed for its typing and size but its main niche was always science and diplomatic operations. So I would like to see this ship as a possible hybrid science vessel/crusier that is smaller and more agile and is far more devoted to supporting its allies in combat and being a possible quick response healing vessel, able to quickly render assistance to larger ships.
Why does everything have to be a DPS monster nowadays, despite its true representation?
I do not want it see it bastardized in the same way that the Akira and Prometheus were.
Wow...really? Do you even know what the Prometheus and Akira were? They were attack ships...the Akira was chocked full of torpedo tubes and the Prometheus...it was a 1 ship war machine...it took on multiple ships at once...if those aren't the definition of Tactical ships then I don't know what is.
You really need to understand size doesn't equal ship class.
Can't have a honest conversation because of a white knight with power
While I have nothing against this vessel's inclusion, it is not a ship design which appeals to me. It appeals to others, and I hope it is brought into STO for them.
One point I'd like to make regarding the few remaining canon ships which have not been incorporated into STO is that we should look upon them as opportunities to fill niches.
Cruisers we have, and a lot. What new role could Norway fill as a Cruiser? I'm betting there are half a dozen cruisers already filling that role, and with lots more hull to absorb the damage.
Instead we should find roles not already saturated with ships. An example:
Federation Escorts are popular, but the Federation lacks a Raider and has only one Destroyer. Norway would fit into either of those roles quite well. In fact, as a Destroyer, Norway would fit the OP's description of a small, hard hitting cruiser better than it would fit in as yet another Federation cruiser.
My compromise: call Norway a Destroyer and give it Raider traits.
^^ 97% This! My compromise: if they're looking for a small, pointy Fed ship, forget the Norway, and just build a T6 Nova!
The norway and new orleans should belong to the same lineage of "Escort Cruiser" being a engineering commander version of STO's Akira with battlecruiser commands instead of a hangar and command LTC station.
^ Memory Alpha.org is not canon. It's a open wiki with arbitrary rules. Only what can be cited from an episode is. ^
"No. Men do not roar. Women roar. Then they hurl heavy objects... and claw at you." -Worf, son of Mogh
"A filthy, mangy beast, but in its bony breast beat the heart of a warrior" - "faithful" (...) "but ever-ready to follow the call of the wild." - Martok, about a Targ
"That pig smelled horrid. A sweet-sour, extremely pungent odor. I showered and showered, and it took me a week to get rid of it!" - Robert Justman, appreciating Emmy-Lou
I will say that the reason I ask if Cryptic have anything against the Norway, is because there were reasons originally why the Tier V Excelsior was better in game as a ship then the Tier V Galaxy. That was solely down to the designer at the time having personal bias towards the Excelsior (He mentioned it was his favorite ship on more then one occasion). It was also the same reason he refused to but the New Orleans and other Galaxy Era variants into the game because he personally hated them. So Cryptic have acted out of bias before.
Now, about the Norway. I would prefer it very much if the Norway was kept to its canon representation. It was designed to fit an more scientific and diplomatic role so it would be nice to have a smaller cruiser that leans more towards science. The Norway was basically supposed to pick up some of the workload from the much larger Sovereign Class ships, in the same way that the Intrepid was intended to be a "Galaxy-lite", going places that a Galaxy would simply be unable to operate and much more resource cost effective option for the Federation.
The Norway is reasonably well armed for its typing and size but its main niche was always science and diplomatic operations. So I would like to see this ship as a possible hybrid science vessel/crusier that is smaller and more agile and is far more devoted to supporting its allies in combat and being a possible quick response healing vessel, able to quickly render assistance to larger ships.
Why does everything have to be a DPS monster nowadays, despite its true representation?
I do not want it see it bastardized in the same way that the Akira and Prometheus were.
Wow...really? Do you even know what the Prometheus and Akira were? They were attack ships...the Akira was chocked full of torpedo tubes and the Prometheus...it was a 1 ship war machine...it took on multiple ships at once...if those aren't the definition of Tactical ships then I don't know what is.
You really need to understand size doesn't equal ship class.
Do you understand canon? I mean seriously, I don't know why people defend Cryptic on this. While it is true the Akira had a load of Torpedo Launchers in its rollbar, it is STILL a cruiser.
You say "I need to understand size doesn't equal ship class", well yes I know this because of the massive size difference between the Galaxy Class and the Intrepid Class, which were BOTH Explorer Type Starships.
The Star Trek: Deep Space Nine Technical Manual, which IS a canon source. Written from an entirely in-universe point of view by Star Trek: Deep Space Nine creative staff members Rick Sternbach, Herman Zimmerman, and Doug Drexler. States that the Akira Class is a Heavy Cruiser so you can argue all you want but the creators of the ship state that it is a Heavy Crusier. Feel free to check my source here on Memory Alpha - memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Akira_class
Feel free to look that up, its also on the Akira Classes page on Memory Alpha. So yes, Cryptic got it wrong.
With respect to you, the Intrepid Class was also classed completely wrong as well. Again, the ship is designated as a Long Range "Explorer", which is the same type of ship as the Enteprise-D. An explorer is a sub-class of cruiser that was designed to specifically fill a multi-mission purpose and conduct exploration missions. Cryptic just made some silly connection and because Janeway had ascended to Captain through the Science Career path, Voyager was somehow a "Science Vessel". Again... woefully showing their own lack of research.
Pretty much EVERY OTHER Star Trek game in history has designated the Intrepid as a Cruiser. Starfleet Command III, had the Intrepid as a "Light Cruiser".
So pretending that these vessels are the correct designation is funny when the actual creators of the show disagree with you.
Original Author of the "What's the Beef with the Galaxy, Cryptic?" Forum Post
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I will say that the reason I ask if Cryptic have anything against the Norway, is because there were reasons originally why the Tier V Excelsior was better in game as a ship then the Tier V Galaxy. That was solely down to the designer at the time having personal bias towards the Excelsior (He mentioned it was his favorite ship on more then one occasion). It was also the same reason he refused to but the New Orleans and other Galaxy Era variants into the game because he personally hated them. So Cryptic have acted out of bias before.
Now, about the Norway. I would prefer it very much if the Norway was kept to its canon representation. It was designed to fit an more scientific and diplomatic role so it would be nice to have a smaller cruiser that leans more towards science. The Norway was basically supposed to pick up some of the workload from the much larger Sovereign Class ships, in the same way that the Intrepid was intended to be a "Galaxy-lite", going places that a Galaxy would simply be unable to operate and much more resource cost effective option for the Federation.
The Norway is reasonably well armed for its typing and size but its main niche was always science and diplomatic operations. So I would like to see this ship as a possible hybrid science vessel/crusier that is smaller and more agile and is far more devoted to supporting its allies in combat and being a possible quick response healing vessel, able to quickly render assistance to larger ships.
Why does everything have to be a DPS monster nowadays, despite its true representation?
I do not want it see it bastardized in the same way that the Akira and Prometheus were.
Wow...really? Do you even know what the Prometheus and Akira were? They were attack ships...the Akira was chocked full of torpedo tubes and the Prometheus...it was a 1 ship war machine...it took on multiple ships at once...if those aren't the definition of Tactical ships then I don't know what is.
You really need to understand size doesn't equal ship class.
Do you understand canon? I mean seriously, I don't know why people defend Cryptic on this. While it is true the Akira had a load of Torpedo Launchers in its rollbar, it is STILL a cruiser.
You say "I need to understand size doesn't equal ship class", well yes I know this because of the massive size difference between the Galaxy Class and the Intrepid Class, which were BOTH Explorer Type Starships.
The Star Trek: Deep Space Nine Technical Manual, which IS a canon source. Written from an entirely in-universe point of view by Star Trek: Deep Space Nine creative staff members Rick Sternbach, Herman Zimmerman, and Doug Drexler. States that the Akira Class is a Heavy Cruiser so you can argue all you want but the creators of the ship state that it is a Heavy Crusier. Feel free to check my source here on Memory Alpha - memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Akira_class
Feel free to look that up, its also on the Akira Classes page on Memory Alpha. So yes, Cryptic got it wrong.
With respect to you, the Intrepid Class was also classed completely wrong as well. Again, the ship is designated as a Long Range "Explorer", which is the same type of ship as the Enteprise-D. An explorer is a sub-class of cruiser that was designed to specifically fill a multi-mission purpose and conduct exploration missions. Cryptic just made some silly connection and because Janeway had ascended to Captain through the Science Career path, Voyager was somehow a "Science Vessel". Again... woefully showing their own lack of research.
Pretty much EVERY OTHER Star Trek game in history has designated the Intrepid as a Cruiser. Starfleet Command III, had the Intrepid as a "Light Cruiser".
So pretending that these vessels are the correct designation is funny when the actual creators of the show disagree with you.
To which I would retort, Do you understand that a game doesn't necessarily need to follow canon?! What works better in game is what they'll go with. No amount of nerd-rage is going to change that. I believe Cryptic has done this before, where a canon ship suddenly comes out to be Science, whereas in canon it was a cruiser. Cryptic considers other things too, like the overall balance between ship types, or simply because they feel Class X needs some love now.
Now, they won't turn the Connie into a Science vessel, or something; but some leeway on their part should be deemed entirely appropriate, IMHO. And if it's an unsurmountable issue for you, then just don't buy the ship.
Just because I can't resist: The DS9 TM is not canon. It is created by authors and creators of Trek and in my opinion a source usable in lieu of canon for absent information, but it wasn't written by the Akira's creator either. That guy wanted the Akira to be a undefeatable battle carrier thing - luckily none of his intend made it into actual canon or the TM.
^ Memory Alpha.org is not canon. It's a open wiki with arbitrary rules. Only what can be cited from an episode is. ^
"No. Men do not roar. Women roar. Then they hurl heavy objects... and claw at you." -Worf, son of Mogh
"A filthy, mangy beast, but in its bony breast beat the heart of a warrior" - "faithful" (...) "but ever-ready to follow the call of the wild." - Martok, about a Targ
"That pig smelled horrid. A sweet-sour, extremely pungent odor. I showered and showered, and it took me a week to get rid of it!" - Robert Justman, appreciating Emmy-Lou
All Starfleet ships are multi-role explorers except the Defiant and Vengeance (and possibly the Prometheus), you have to subdivide them somehow for game mechanics.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though. JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
Just because I can't resist: The DS9 TM is not canon. It is created by authors and creators of Trek and in my opinion a source usable in lieu of canon for absent information, but it wasn't written by the Akira's creator either. That guy wanted the Akira to be a undefeatable battle carrier thing - luckily none of his intend made it into actual canon or the TM.
From your signature, it seems that you are just somebody that loves to argue. I am aware that the Akira was original designed to be a carrier of some sort, with huge shuttlebay that spread the length of the entire saucer. However I believe it still stands that it is a Heavy Cruiser and that's all I am going to add to the issue.
We are getting off topic now...
Still I do believe the Norway should be a less combat-focused Starship, we already have enough bastardized "escorts" in the game.
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I hate Norway,its cold and snowy,and it gets wet everywhere.
Hast thou not gone against sincerity
Hast thou not felt ashamed of thy words and deeds
Hast thou not lacked vigor
Hast thou exerted all possible efforts
Hast thou not become slothful
A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch." "We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
Passion and Serenity are one.
I gain power by understanding both.
In the chaos of their battle, I bring order.
I am a shadow, darkness born from light.
The Force is united within me.
Bigger question is does Cryptic have something against a T6 Vor'cha ?.
Hello rubber banding my old friend, time to bounce around the battlezone again, where are all my bug reports going?, out of love with this game I am falling, As Cryptic fail to acknowledge a problem exists, Shakes an angry fist, And from Support all I'm hearing are the sounds of silence.
Frozen. Like an ice lolly. It's marmite on a stick.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though. JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch." "We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
Passion and Serenity are one.
I gain power by understanding both.
In the chaos of their battle, I bring order.
I am a shadow, darkness born from light.
The Force is united within me.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though. JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
In the USA we don't eat the gunk left over from brewing beer; we feed it to cows then eat the cows.
Marmite or Vegemite is made from the wort of beer and while used like peanut butter, it tastes so horrible that even those who grew up eating the stuff can only eat a small bit at a time.
Marmite's own add says, "Love It Or Hate It," acknowledging that even where it is popular people find it as disgusting as oyster flavored ice cream.
And I just figured out why Cryptic hates Norway: some joker opened a jar of Marmite in her and they can't get the stink out.
A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch." "We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
Passion and Serenity are one.
I gain power by understanding both.
In the chaos of their battle, I bring order.
I am a shadow, darkness born from light.
The Force is united within me.
In the USA we don't eat the gunk left over from brewing beer; we feed it to cows then eat the cows.
Marmite or Vegemite is made from the wort of beer and while used like peanut butter, it tastes so horrible that even those who grew up eating the stuff can only eat a small bit at a time.
Marmite's own add says, "Love It Or Hate It," acknowledging that even where it is popular people find it as disgusting as oyster flavored ice cream.
And I just figured out why Cryptic hates Norway: some joker opened a jar of Marmite in her and they can't get the stink out.
Marmite, the stuff that separates the girls from the women. Seriously, cheese + Marmite = very good combo!
Little bit? Or big sod off spoon fulls. Or on toast. Or with a Bovril drink. Lovely.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though. JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
Little bit? Or big sod off spoon fulls. Or on toast. Or with a Bovril drink. Lovely.
Come to New Orleans so I can introduce you to real food. You'll give up the cattle feed and never look back!
Sorry. I'm English, we don't really do food that isn't boreing or boiled.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though. JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
There is some danger that consumption of Cajun cuisine could cause British tastebuds to spontaneously explode - but hey, what's life without a little risk? (Just make sure you turn down the offer of more Tabasco to go with your gumbo. It's a condiment there, but you will not need it. Or want it. )
Little bit? Or big sod off spoon fulls. Or on toast. Or with a Bovril drink. Lovely.
Come to New Orleans so I can introduce you to real food. You'll give up the cattle feed and never look back!
Sorry. I'm English, we don't really do food that isn't boreing or boiled.
Have you tried brewing tea from jalepeno seeds? It's boring and boiled!
Caveat: It's also best consumed with a bowl of ice cream in arm's reach.
you know, that whole 'dairy counters spiciness' thing is a total myth...in fact, dairy makes it worse, both now AND later - something i discovered firsthand the hard way
A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch." "We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
Passion and Serenity are one.
I gain power by understanding both.
In the chaos of their battle, I bring order.
I am a shadow, darkness born from light.
The Force is united within me.
Little bit? Or big sod off spoon fulls. Or on toast. Or with a Bovril drink. Lovely.
Come to New Orleans so I can introduce you to real food. You'll give up the cattle feed and never look back!
Sorry. I'm English, we don't really do food that isn't boreing or boiled.
You're in for a treat, then! We boil crawfish, shrimp, and crabs every day. We do serve cold beer with it, but you can keep yours out of the ice if you want.
The Norway looks like the same generation of design as the Science Shoe... Deep Space Science Vessel. In that aesthetic group I also place Prometheus and Star Cruiser, which fills out the trifecta of cruiser-escort-science for primary fleet elements.
Along with Norway we have Akira, Saber, and Steamrunner, which were all classed as Escorts in STO, though given various sub-specialties. Given that these ships, like Defiant, were purpose-built to fight the Borg, it would make sense for Norway to be a Tactical variant of whatever its ship type is ultimately determined to be.
As a cruiser it's small. Cruisers are by definition large because cruisers are by definition multi-role ships. Small cruisers certainly can exist, but those wanting a cruiser Norway might be better served by a Destroyer classification, (meaning built for war first, and whatever else second.) Plus, we already have a freighter'cargo hold full of cruiser designs for Feds.
As an Escort it brings nothing to the table that Akira can't do better or Saber can't do faster. Steamrunner is the apparent Raider of this bunch, though she is not so considered in STO's implementation.
With three Escorts in the family already, it would make sense that the fourth in this series is also an Escort. Given Akira's Engineer-like performance and Saber's obvious Escort specialization, Norway as a science/escort makes sense to me. Something along the lines of a Lt.Cmdr Tac, Lt. Tac, Lt. Eng, Commander Sci, and Lt.Cmdr Sci for BOffs, with 4 Tac, 2 Eng, 4 Sci console slots.
In the Science/Escort role she should be hard hitting, with a 4/2 weapons arrangement and advancement which offers team-based bonuses, such as improved perception, accuracy, improved cleanses and group shield buffs. We know from FC that she has no special weapons or effects, but Cryptic can create a trait which gives additional Aux power based on Weapons power or something, which would help maintain high Aux power in a firefight.
P.S. I know you guys only heard about Tabasco, (And they have a beautiful garden down at the salt mine,) but Louisiana brand hot sauce is by far the preference of Cajuns while Crystal brand hot sauce is the mainstay of New Orleans Creole. It ain't about the heat, it's about the flavor.
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Wow...really? Do you even know what the Prometheus and Akira were? They were attack ships...the Akira was chocked full of torpedo tubes and the Prometheus...it was a 1 ship war machine...it took on multiple ships at once...if those aren't the definition of Tactical ships then I don't know what is.
You really need to understand size doesn't equal ship class.
^^ 97% This! My compromise: if they're looking for a small, pointy Fed ship, forget the Norway, and just build a T6 Nova!
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Do you understand canon? I mean seriously, I don't know why people defend Cryptic on this. While it is true the Akira had a load of Torpedo Launchers in its rollbar, it is STILL a cruiser.
You say "I need to understand size doesn't equal ship class", well yes I know this because of the massive size difference between the Galaxy Class and the Intrepid Class, which were BOTH Explorer Type Starships.
The Star Trek: Deep Space Nine Technical Manual, which IS a canon source. Written from an entirely in-universe point of view by Star Trek: Deep Space Nine creative staff members Rick Sternbach, Herman Zimmerman, and Doug Drexler. States that the Akira Class is a Heavy Cruiser so you can argue all you want but the creators of the ship state that it is a Heavy Crusier. Feel free to check my source here on Memory Alpha - memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Akira_class
Feel free to look that up, its also on the Akira Classes page on Memory Alpha. So yes, Cryptic got it wrong.
With respect to you, the Intrepid Class was also classed completely wrong as well. Again, the ship is designated as a Long Range "Explorer", which is the same type of ship as the Enteprise-D. An explorer is a sub-class of cruiser that was designed to specifically fill a multi-mission purpose and conduct exploration missions. Cryptic just made some silly connection and because Janeway had ascended to Captain through the Science Career path, Voyager was somehow a "Science Vessel". Again... woefully showing their own lack of research.
Pretty much EVERY OTHER Star Trek game in history has designated the Intrepid as a Cruiser. Starfleet Command III, had the Intrepid as a "Light Cruiser".
So pretending that these vessels are the correct designation is funny when the actual creators of the show disagree with you.
Change can happen - Tier 6 Galaxy... Believe in yourself...
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To which I would retort, Do you understand that a game doesn't necessarily need to follow canon?! What works better in game is what they'll go with. No amount of nerd-rage is going to change that. I believe Cryptic has done this before, where a canon ship suddenly comes out to be Science, whereas in canon it was a cruiser. Cryptic considers other things too, like the overall balance between ship types, or simply because they feel Class X needs some love now.
Now, they won't turn the Connie into a Science vessel, or something; but some leeway on their part should be deemed entirely appropriate, IMHO. And if it's an unsurmountable issue for you, then just don't buy the ship.
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Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
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From your signature, it seems that you are just somebody that loves to argue. I am aware that the Akira was original designed to be a carrier of some sort, with huge shuttlebay that spread the length of the entire saucer. However I believe it still stands that it is a Heavy Cruiser and that's all I am going to add to the issue.
We are getting off topic now...
Still I do believe the Norway should be a less combat-focused Starship, we already have enough bastardized "escorts" in the game.
Change can happen - Tier 6 Galaxy... Believe in yourself...
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Hast thou not felt ashamed of thy words and deeds
Hast thou not lacked vigor
Hast thou exerted all possible efforts
Hast thou not become slothful
oh, stop whining, anakin
#LegalizeAwoo
A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch."
"We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
Hello rubber banding my old friend, time to bounce around the battlezone again, where are all my bug reports going?, out of love with this game I am falling, As Cryptic fail to acknowledge a problem exists, Shakes an angry fist, And from Support all I'm hearing are the sounds of silence.
What is marmite like inside the Norway?
Frozen. Like an ice lolly. It's marmite on a stick.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
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'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
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Oh yeah. XD
Seriously though ... Norway Class plox.
#LegalizeAwoo
A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch."
"We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
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Marmite or Vegemite is made from the wort of beer and while used like peanut butter, it tastes so horrible that even those who grew up eating the stuff can only eat a small bit at a time.
Marmite's own add says, "Love It Or Hate It," acknowledging that even where it is popular people find it as disgusting as oyster flavored ice cream.
And I just figured out why Cryptic hates Norway: some joker opened a jar of Marmite in her and they can't get the stink out.
#LegalizeAwoo
A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch."
"We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
Marmite, the stuff that separates the girls from the women.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
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Come to New Orleans so I can introduce you to real food. You'll give up the cattle feed and never look back!
I figured there was a 50/50 chance it would be about connection issues in Norway or the ship class.
Sorry. I'm English, we don't really do food that isn't boreing or boiled.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
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Caveat: It's also best consumed with a bowl of ice cream in arm's reach.
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you know, that whole 'dairy counters spiciness' thing is a total myth...in fact, dairy makes it worse, both now AND later - something i discovered firsthand the hard way
#LegalizeAwoo
A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch."
"We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
You're in for a treat, then! We boil crawfish, shrimp, and crabs every day. We do serve cold beer with it, but you can keep yours out of the ice if you want.
The Norway looks like the same generation of design as the Science Shoe... Deep Space Science Vessel. In that aesthetic group I also place Prometheus and Star Cruiser, which fills out the trifecta of cruiser-escort-science for primary fleet elements.
Along with Norway we have Akira, Saber, and Steamrunner, which were all classed as Escorts in STO, though given various sub-specialties. Given that these ships, like Defiant, were purpose-built to fight the Borg, it would make sense for Norway to be a Tactical variant of whatever its ship type is ultimately determined to be.
As a cruiser it's small. Cruisers are by definition large because cruisers are by definition multi-role ships. Small cruisers certainly can exist, but those wanting a cruiser Norway might be better served by a Destroyer classification, (meaning built for war first, and whatever else second.) Plus, we already have a freighter'cargo hold full of cruiser designs for Feds.
As an Escort it brings nothing to the table that Akira can't do better or Saber can't do faster. Steamrunner is the apparent Raider of this bunch, though she is not so considered in STO's implementation.
With three Escorts in the family already, it would make sense that the fourth in this series is also an Escort. Given Akira's Engineer-like performance and Saber's obvious Escort specialization, Norway as a science/escort makes sense to me. Something along the lines of a Lt.Cmdr Tac, Lt. Tac, Lt. Eng, Commander Sci, and Lt.Cmdr Sci for BOffs, with 4 Tac, 2 Eng, 4 Sci console slots.
In the Science/Escort role she should be hard hitting, with a 4/2 weapons arrangement and advancement which offers team-based bonuses, such as improved perception, accuracy, improved cleanses and group shield buffs. We know from FC that she has no special weapons or effects, but Cryptic can create a trait which gives additional Aux power based on Weapons power or something, which would help maintain high Aux power in a firefight.
P.S. I know you guys only heard about Tabasco, (And they have a beautiful garden down at the salt mine,) but Louisiana brand hot sauce is by far the preference of Cajuns while Crystal brand hot sauce is the mainstay of New Orleans Creole. It ain't about the heat, it's about the flavor.