I hope that piece of trash never has any effect on STO...it's a horrible looking piece of junk that takes a great big deuce all over canon...basically them saying "It's our Trek or no Trek".
^^^
What? It's not 1987 - and we're not talking about how TNG was initially received back then by the majority of Star Trek fans in that year...oh, wait...
Except TNG was in its own era...it wasn't trying to rewrite history with ugly ships that don't look like they even remotely belong and completely mutating races that already have established images.
But nice try!
Um, that weird-azz oval "saucer" perched atop something that looked like a McQuarrie design? Klingons, previously established as "looked like Puerto Ricans and dressed in gold lame", suddenly become "heavy metal bikers from the dead, with frizzy hair and leather pants and lobsters on their heads"? Romulans, established in TOS as being visually indistinguishable from Vulcans, suddenly having weird dual ridges on their foreheads? And let's not even get into what TNG did to the relatively sleek designs for Klink and Rom ships, turning them into those massive, unwieldy, unbalanced flying fortresses.
Oh, and I mentioned the space footie jammies from the first two seasons, right? I mean, apparently by the 24th century we're teaching calculus to grade-school children, but Starfleet officers haven't mastered tying their shoes or even pulling on their boots...
(I'm old enough to remember the fighting. As well as the complaints about DS9, and how they couldn't tell any stories because "they don't go anywhere!")
Like lianthelia said, TNG was its own era, not retreading the same ground. Klingons: Change established over the course of the movies, and reported as what had aleays been intended. Romulans: A fair point, but, remember the episode where theey were spying on a proto-Vulcanoid culture? What did they look like? Vulcans, or Romulans? The attempt was at least made to show the trait as being part of the overall species genome. As for the space-jammies comment, very disingenuous to try and use hyperbole against the real world requirement of needing to keep the material taut, as if that is somehow a valid observation between the cognitive abilities of children and adults in-show, who, by your 'logic' suddenly can't tie their own shoes. And if you were to ask Gene about why they didn't have to tie their boots, then I'd wager that his reply would be akin to his response about Data's skin color (what if what you have is better than skin) or why Picard was bald (in the 24th century, no one will care about it) so probably something like "What if they have a better way to fasten their boots then tying laces?"
TNG trod new ground, so it had variations. The makers of Discovery specifically chose the time period of 10 years prior to Kirk and the Enterprise, they specifically chose to say that the series was being set in the Prime Timeline, but they then go out of their way to produce content which would be perfectly fitting in either the Kelvin Timeline, or 10 years after Nemesis.
I believe they only chose that time period because it's what Axanar were doing. I believe, they've gone with the Kelvin Timeline-esque aesthetics, because that's the aesthetic folks are most used to seeing from recent Trek productions, and I also believe, as I've said before, that this will be a series which will be 'Star Trek' in name-only, like the recent Baywatch movie. It might have the named characters, and the plot reads (I haven't seen it) like any episode of the series, albeit with a more comedy spin, and yet apparently, it absolutely bombed. (and I'm not surprized, because audiences seem to be getting sick of reboot/makes) I'm sure they chose to use Star Trek, rather than Adventures in Space (or even Space Command) as the flagship show for the streaming service, because they know that Trek fans are the geese which keep laying the golden egg, and will shell out for anything with the magic words in the title
Sorry no to this "Trek fans are the geese which ... will shell out for anything with the magic words in the title". Star Wars fans that would be true look at the drek 1,2,3, were along with the "special editions that Lucas spewed out instead of new stories and the rewrite of Episode 3 that JJ Star Wars The Force Awakens was. Those are the mindless geese shelling out cash for **** with the magic title Star Wars in it.
As far as the look goes it is to comply with Neu Trek and ignores pretty much everything in all the series before it.
You're quite right, Star Wars fans will literally buy anything which is thusly branded Trek fans, probably not far behind in that regard though, and I'd wager many would be willing to at least watch a new series thusly titled due to franchise loyalty.
I'm not excited for Discovery, but I am interested to see what things this will introduce to the game I'm not a huge fan of the Kelvin Timeline movies (although I can enjoy them as 'sit down, tune out and enjoy' "Pretty pictures for the masses." - Cmdr Ed. Straker) And yet I find myself enjoying the KT content available in-game. I have a Dreadnought, and, as ugly a beast as I think the design is, there's still an unusual appeal about it which I can't deny, and its performance, is unquestionably good I'm going to be getting a Konstitution for one of my AoY alts as their post L50 T6 'level progression' ship. I use the red matter capacitor on all my builds where I have one available, so even if I might not enjoy Discovery itself, I'm sure there will be stuff like kits or manuals or weapons and such, which will still be useful and fun to use
This line "I'm not a huge fan of the Kelvin timeline." is kind of funny given you have a JJ ship in your comments.
I needed a new ship for Red Alerts, and was willing to give it a try I'm still not a huge fan of the Kelvin Timeline movies, but I don't hate them, and I think that the content which has been introduced into the game from it, is pretty good quality stuff (especially the Kelvin Timeline Tribble )
"I fight for the Users!" - Tron
"I was here before you, I will be here after you are gone. I am here, regardless of your acknowledgement or acceptance..." - The Truth
This line "I'm not a huge fan of the Kelvin timeline." is kind of funny given you have a JJ ship in your comments.
It's the only T6 Connie most people can afford. And if you're on console, that is it until they release the Temporal Light Cruiser on Ps4 and XBone. And even though the JJverse is meh overall, their ships in game are quite solid perfomers.
I'm not excited for Discovery, but I am interested to see what things this will introduce to the game I'm not a huge fan of the Kelvin Timeline movies (although I can enjoy them as 'sit down, tune out and enjoy' "Pretty pictures for the masses." - Cmdr Ed. Straker) And yet I find myself enjoying the KT content available in-game. I have a Dreadnought, and, as ugly a beast as I think the design is, there's still an unusual appeal about it which I can't deny, and its performance, is unquestionably good I'm going to be getting a Konstitution for one of my AoY alts as their post L50 T6 'level progression' ship. I use the red matter capacitor on all my builds where I have one available, so even if I might not enjoy Discovery itself, I'm sure there will be stuff like kits or manuals or weapons and such, which will still be useful and fun to use
This line "I'm not a huge fan of the Kelvin timeline." is kind of funny given you have a JJ ship in your comments.
It's a nice ship...I'm not a huge fan of the JJVerse and I considered getting one.
Can't have a honest conversation because of a white knight with power
> @lianthelia said:
> I had another argument planned...but it's obvious the replies are obviously completely evading my point that TNG was in a completely different era doing a completely new thing compared to TRIBBLE trying to tread all over TOS.
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> But there is no point because people will still evade the truth...because it doesn't suit their argument.
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> They saw how good JJTrek is doing and this is basically their way to rewrite everything...like I've said multiple times before this is a obvious "Our Trek or no Trek"
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> People who are supporting this obviously aren't fans of Star Trek or you'd actually care how much they're utterly butchering it to turn it into what *THEY* think Star Trek should be.
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> Even JJ was more loyal to established canon than this show is...and it took place in a different universe.
So your claiming you have seen the show already? Because unless you have seen it then you have no clue hoe "loyal to canon" it is. Not that canon is or should be considered to be even slightly important since it is frequently self contradictory & made up on the spot.
I have eyes...and they work...not hard to watch trailers and look at designs...you know...with my working eyes.
Can't have a honest conversation because of a white knight with power
I'm not excited for Discovery, but I am interested to see what things this will introduce to the game I'm not a huge fan of the Kelvin Timeline movies (although I can enjoy them as 'sit down, tune out and enjoy' "Pretty pictures for the masses." - Cmdr Ed. Straker) And yet I find myself enjoying the KT content available in-game. I have a Dreadnought, and, as ugly a beast as I think the design is, there's still an unusual appeal about it which I can't deny, and its performance, is unquestionably good I'm going to be getting a Konstitution for one of my AoY alts as their post L50 T6 'level progression' ship. I use the red matter capacitor on all my builds where I have one available, so even if I might not enjoy Discovery itself, I'm sure there will be stuff like kits or manuals or weapons and such, which will still be useful and fun to use
This line "I'm not a huge fan of the Kelvin timeline." is kind of funny given you have a JJ ship in your comments.
It's a nice ship...I'm not a huge fan of the JJVerse and I considered getting one.
Based on my own experience and needs in a ship, I would definitely recommend one
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"I fight for the Users!" - Tron
"I was here before you, I will be here after you are gone. I am here, regardless of your acknowledgement or acceptance..." - The Truth
A Discovery Expansion: You begin behind the Klingon lines on a ship left for dead, and perform a series of missions which lead you closer to the front as the Klingons invade deeper into Federation space. Naturally, your last mission hurtles your ship into the future where Admiral Quinn has a job for you if you give up on going home.
A Discovery Expansion: You begin behind the Klingon lines on a ship left for dead, and perform a series of missions which lead you closer to the front as the Klingons invade deeper into Federation space. Naturally, your last mission hurtles your ship into the future where Admiral Quinn has a job for you if you give up on going home.
You laugh, but I'd love more TOS-style origin stories. Granted, I probably start new characters more often than other people, and labeling it a faction is awfully grandiose, but a Reman-styled 1-10 story, or Orion, Gorn, Nausicaan? The Klingon story is good, but it focuses on a very narrow character concept.
This line "I'm not a huge fan of the Kelvin timeline." is kind of funny given you have a JJ ship in your comments.
It's the only T6 Connie most people can afford. And if you're on console, that is it until they release the Temporal Light Cruiser on Ps4 and XBone. And even though the JJverse is meh overall, their ships in game are quite solid perfomers.
except this ain't connie, but vengeance with connie hull material from what I see
This line "I'm not a huge fan of the Kelvin timeline." is kind of funny given you have a JJ ship in your comments.
It's the only T6 Connie most people can afford. And if you're on console, that is it until they release the Temporal Light Cruiser on Ps4 and XBone. And even though the JJverse is meh overall, their ships in game are quite solid perfomers.
Yep, it's the closest, so far, to folks having an easy (somewhat) way of getting ANY type of Constitution Class ship.
This line "I'm not a huge fan of the Kelvin timeline." is kind of funny given you have a JJ ship in your comments.
It's the only T6 Connie most people can afford. And if you're on console, that is it until they release the Temporal Light Cruiser on Ps4 and XBone. And even though the JJverse is meh overall, their ships in game are quite solid perfomers.
Yep, it's the closest, so far, to folks having an easy (somewhat) way of getting ANY type of Constitution Class ship.
las ttime I checked there was T1 or T2 connie available for free at the end of tutorial or if you picked different ship at that point - for something like one daily refinement of dilithium, so saying "any" is little bit far stretched
This line "I'm not a huge fan of the Kelvin timeline." is kind of funny given you have a JJ ship in your comments.
It's the only T6 Connie most people can afford. And if you're on console, that is it until they release the Temporal Light Cruiser on Ps4 and XBone. And even though the JJverse is meh overall, their ships in game are quite solid perfomers.
Yep, it's the closest, so far, to folks having an easy (somewhat) way of getting ANY type of Constitution Class ship.
las ttime I checked there was T1 or T2 connie available for free at the end of tutorial or if you picked different ship at that point - for something like one daily refinement of dilithium, so saying "any" is little bit far stretched
But no where near the "ummmph!" folks want, though.
Discovery is to JJ'sh for my tastes. The actors don't look bad but the ship, the look, and feel of the show says Kelvin instead of Prime universe and that rankles my jimmies.
> @lianthelia said:
> azrael605 wrote: »
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> > @lianthelia said:
> > I had another argument planned...but it's obvious the replies are obviously completely evading my point that TNG was in a completely different era doing a completely new thing compared to TRIBBLE trying to tread all over TOS.
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> > But there is no point because people will still evade the truth...because it doesn't suit their argument.
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> > They saw how good JJTrek is doing and this is basically their way to rewrite everything...like I've said multiple times before this is a obvious "Our Trek or no Trek"
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> > People who are supporting this obviously aren't fans of Star Trek or you'd actually care how much they're utterly butchering it to turn it into what *THEY* think Star Trek should be.
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> > Even JJ was more loyal to established canon than this show is...and it took place in a different universe.
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> So your claiming you have seen the show already? Because unless you have seen it then you have no clue hoe "loyal to canon" it is. Not that canon is or should be considered to be even slightly important since it is frequently self contradictory & made up on the spot.
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> I have eyes...and they work...not hard to watch trailers and look at designs...you know...with my working eyes.
I have eyes too, and they work quite well, and aside from not aping 1960s visual styles (which was never going to happen in any case) there has not been anywhere close to enough shown to draw even the most rudimentary conclusions about the show.
Apparently you're blind as bat...because anyone can see his the Starship Discovery looks nothing like a TOS ship...it looks like some odd Starfleet/Klingon Hybrid
And the other ship what ever it's called...it looks like a Cryptic design that belongs in the 25th Century...not the 23rd..
The Klingons are obviously butchered...not to mention that stupid alien that its only purpose is to *sense death*
Then the uniforms that look nothing like TOS...and all those shevrons on it look so stupid! Don't forget the pip ranking system on the badge about a century before Starfleet even used pips.
Oh and cant forget the holocommunication that looks like it was ripped off from Star Wars...also more than a Century before Starfleet even used holocommunication.
And that is just from trailers and designs...god knows what there might be when the show actually starts.
Can't have a honest conversation because of a white knight with power
except this ain't connie, but vengeance with connie hull material from what I see
Yer right...that was what he was referring to. I was thinking of a different post that had a JJprize in it. Vengeance is a good ship too, my 25th Century Fed has them both and I quite like them.
I hope that piece of trash never has any effect on STO...it's a horrible looking piece of junk that takes a great big deuce all over canon...basically them saying "It's our Trek or no Trek".
^^^
What? It's not 1987 - and we're not talking about how TNG was initially received back then by the majority of Star Trek fans in that year...oh, wait...
Except TNG was in its own era...it wasn't trying to rewrite history with ugly ships that don't look like they even remotely belong and completely mutating races that already have established images.
But nice try!
Are you kidding me - TNG attempted to recon everything seen in TOS in a major way. It also wasn't really in it's 'own era' per se because that majority of it's characters were rehashed from ST:TMP and earlier failed GR TV pilots:
William Riker = Cmdr. Dekker (ST:TMP)
Counselor Troi = Lt. Ilya (but with hair) again (ST:TMP)
Lt. Cmdr. Data = The Android from the failed TV pilot "The Questor Tapes"
And hell, TNG was so popular and loved, that in the second season they added the female Dr. McCoy clone "Dr. Katherine Pulaski" - who was 'an old country doctor' and deathly afraid of Transporter technology who believed (exactly liker McCoy) that her atoms will be scattered to the far ends of the Universe every time she gets into the Chamber (because they wanted to bring the McCoy/Spock 'friendly but contentious' from TOS into TNG to 'spice up the show'). However it seems the writing team couldn't pull it off because Spiner HAD managed to make Data an original character, and Pulaski's 'McCoy like' putdowns came across as her mentally beating up on a move innocent/naive and in may ways a childlike personality.
Hell, that was GR's intent with TNG (to wholly retcon TOS) when you realize the FIRST 'regular' episode post the pilot was the universally panned TNG remake of a classic TOS episode "The Naked Time" called "The Naked Now". GR had planned to do at least two TOS script remakes with TNG each season; but the fan response to "The Naked Now" was so bad; Paramount put an edict that they NOT remake any more existing TOS episodes.
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This line "I'm not a huge fan of the Kelvin timeline." is kind of funny given you have a JJ ship in your comments.
It's the only T6 Connie most people can afford. And if you're on console, that is it until they release the Temporal Light Cruiser on Ps4 and XBone. And even though the JJverse is meh overall, their ships in game are quite solid perfomers.
Yep, it's the closest, so far, to folks having an easy (somewhat) way of getting ANY type of Constitution Class ship.
las ttime I checked there was T1 or T2 connie available for free at the end of tutorial or if you picked different ship at that point - for something like one daily refinement of dilithium, so saying "any" is little bit far stretched
That's great when you're level 10-20.........but for a level 60, not so much.
As far as the look goes it is to comply with Neu Trek and ignores pretty much everything in all the series before it.
Which I don't really understand. Paramount owned the movies while CBS owned the TV shows. Of course, those entities are now both owned by Viacom so the distinction is probably moot. If they wanted NeuTrek look why not just leave it in the Kelvin timeline? It's almost like someone is purposely trying to nuke everything pre-2009 out of existence.
Movie reboot, fine. You want to reboot the TV universe, fine too!
Just don't go and say "No, it's still the same 'universe' as the original TOS was in". That just leads to so many pointless inconsistencies and etc. It's like some weaselly AD person figured they could play both sides of the game. Just pick a universe! I could respect 'we're rebooting it cause we feel like it needs it' more than some half-as* explanation that it's the same universe.
Sometimes I think I play STO just to have something to complain about on the forums.
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I needed a new ship for Red Alerts, and was willing to give it a try
"I was here before you, I will be here after you are gone. I am here, regardless of your acknowledgement or acceptance..." - The Truth
It's the only T6 Connie most people can afford. And if you're on console, that is it until they release the Temporal Light Cruiser on Ps4 and XBone. And even though the JJverse is meh overall, their ships in game are quite solid perfomers.
It's a nice ship...I'm not a huge fan of the JJVerse and I considered getting one.
I have eyes...and they work...not hard to watch trailers and look at designs...you know...with my working eyes.
"I was here before you, I will be here after you are gone. I am here, regardless of your acknowledgement or acceptance..." - The Truth
You laugh, but I'd love more TOS-style origin stories. Granted, I probably start new characters more often than other people, and labeling it a faction is awfully grandiose, but a Reman-styled 1-10 story, or Orion, Gorn, Nausicaan? The Klingon story is good, but it focuses on a very narrow character concept.
except this ain't connie, but vengeance with connie hull material from what I see
Wonder if dragons spew fire as they laugh.......
~holds a stick with a few marshmallows near Crashy~
Yep, it's the closest, so far, to folks having an easy (somewhat) way of getting ANY type of Constitution Class ship.
I think CBS will want to milk DSC so they will dev a console game and some mobile gacha games. You can't blame them.
Cryptic will get a green light on DSC content as dead last. We are die hard trekkers and we won't go away so we will be treated as dogs lol...
las ttime I checked there was T1 or T2 connie available for free at the end of tutorial or if you picked different ship at that point - for something like one daily refinement of dilithium, so saying "any" is little bit far stretched
But no where near the "ummmph!" folks want, though.
Apparently you're blind as bat...because anyone can see his the Starship Discovery looks nothing like a TOS ship...it looks like some odd Starfleet/Klingon Hybrid
And the other ship what ever it's called...it looks like a Cryptic design that belongs in the 25th Century...not the 23rd..
The Klingons are obviously butchered...not to mention that stupid alien that its only purpose is to *sense death*
Then the uniforms that look nothing like TOS...and all those shevrons on it look so stupid! Don't forget the pip ranking system on the badge about a century before Starfleet even used pips.
Oh and cant forget the holocommunication that looks like it was ripped off from Star Wars...also more than a Century before Starfleet even used holocommunication.
And that is just from trailers and designs...god knows what there might be when the show actually starts.
Yer right...that was what he was referring to. I was thinking of a different post that had a JJprize in it. Vengeance is a good ship too, my 25th Century Fed has them both and I quite like them.
Are you kidding me - TNG attempted to recon everything seen in TOS in a major way. It also wasn't really in it's 'own era' per se because that majority of it's characters were rehashed from ST:TMP and earlier failed GR TV pilots:
William Riker = Cmdr. Dekker (ST:TMP)
Counselor Troi = Lt. Ilya (but with hair) again (ST:TMP)
Lt. Cmdr. Data = The Android from the failed TV pilot "The Questor Tapes"
And hell, TNG was so popular and loved, that in the second season they added the female Dr. McCoy clone "Dr. Katherine Pulaski" - who was 'an old country doctor' and deathly afraid of Transporter technology who believed (exactly liker McCoy) that her atoms will be scattered to the far ends of the Universe every time she gets into the Chamber (because they wanted to bring the McCoy/Spock 'friendly but contentious' from TOS into TNG to 'spice up the show'). However it seems the writing team couldn't pull it off because Spiner HAD managed to make Data an original character, and Pulaski's 'McCoy like' putdowns came across as her mentally beating up on a move innocent/naive and in may ways a childlike personality.
Hell, that was GR's intent with TNG (to wholly retcon TOS) when you realize the FIRST 'regular' episode post the pilot was the universally panned TNG remake of a classic TOS episode "The Naked Time" called "The Naked Now". GR had planned to do at least two TOS script remakes with TNG each season; but the fan response to "The Naked Now" was so bad; Paramount put an edict that they NOT remake any more existing TOS episodes.
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That's great when you're level 10-20.........but for a level 60, not so much.
Which I don't really understand. Paramount owned the movies while CBS owned the TV shows. Of course, those entities are now both owned by Viacom so the distinction is probably moot. If they wanted NeuTrek look why not just leave it in the Kelvin timeline? It's almost like someone is purposely trying to nuke everything pre-2009 out of existence.
Movie reboot, fine. You want to reboot the TV universe, fine too!
Just don't go and say "No, it's still the same 'universe' as the original TOS was in". That just leads to so many pointless inconsistencies and etc. It's like some weaselly AD person figured they could play both sides of the game. Just pick a universe! I could respect 'we're rebooting it cause we feel like it needs it' more than some half-as* explanation that it's the same universe.