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Now that you know of Torg's mysterious prison, learn about two of his prisoners in our latest fiction blog:

Full details here:
https://www.arcgames.com/en/games/star-trek-online/news/detail/10546093

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  • cowcookies1cowcookies1 Member Posts: 18 Arc User
    Awesome, I have been waiting for the Son'a or The Face Stretchers for a long time. Love those Son'a battle cruisers, I went out of my way to capture them in Star Trek: Armada
  • themadprofessor#9835 themadprofessor Member Posts: 1,203 Arc User
    Man, Cryptic is going way out of their way to make Torg an utterly despicable, unredeemable jerkass on par with B'vat and Molor.
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    2) Bridge customization, not bridge packs. Let us pick a general layout and adjust the color palette, console appearance, and chair types, as well as more ready room layout options.
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  • rhenvar42rhenvar42 Member Posts: 85 Arc User
    Man, Cryptic is going way out of their way to make Torg an utterly despicable, unredeemable jerkass on par with B'vat and Molor.

    Honestly, he seems worse than B'vat was.

    I will say that bringing in the Son'a will be nice. Their battlecruiser is rather impressive in terms of appearance. Hopefully the stats will back that up.
  • spiritbornspiritborn Member Posts: 4,363 Arc User
    rhenvar42 wrote: »
    Man, Cryptic is going way out of their way to make Torg an utterly despicable, unredeemable jerkass on par with B'vat and Molor.

    Honestly, he seems worse than B'vat was.

    I will say that bringing in the Son'a will be nice. Their battlecruiser is rather impressive in terms of appearance. Hopefully the stats will back that up.

    Torg was always the "poor man's" B'vat, for all his flaws (which there were many) B'vat seemed to honestly belive in what he preached.

    Torg on the other hand seemed to be after only personal power and would do pretty much anything to get it, which is probably why he was so easily dealt with in the KDF storyline, where as B'vat seemed well connected and powerful, Torg came of as an empty uniform, powerful only because of his House and thus forced to use mercs and other assorted minions to be any threat to us.
  • themetalstickmanthemetalstickman Member Posts: 1,010 Arc User
    This reminds me of the bio I wrote for my Jem'Hadar officer.

    They seem to be suggesting a storyline where we deal with Torg and some Son'a. I hope that's the case; the House of Martok never got full vengeance for M'ven and Alexander Rozhenko's deaths, and it would be nice to finally put one between Torg's eyes. Here's hoping for more VA work from Michael Dorn.
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  • mustrumridcully0mustrumridcully0 Member Posts: 12,963 Arc User
    edited June 2017
    Interesting.... A surviving Jem'Hadar from the Dominion War.

    Feels all a bit like a "retcon" to me... Of course, protagonists in TV show don't necessarily have perfect knowledge, but in the finale of DS9, they made a point of saying that the retreat of the Jem'Hadar after the surrender of the Founder did mark the first day in *so and so many years* of no Dominion Forces in the Alpha Quadrant. That doesn't really leave room for a Rogue Vorta and his crew running raids against the Klingons...

    Though within STO, this is kinda consistent. The True Way alliance with the Alpha Jem'Hadar also only really works with ignoring that part of DS9. (And it doesn't work with the end of the war at all for me... I just can't see a scenario where the Cardassians would be willing to trust any Jem'Hadar, Founders or Vorta after what happened on Cardassia Prime. Certainly not the ones that want to bring Cardassia to its "former glory" - how are you going to make any headway with your plans if everyone sees that you're working with the soldiers that killed your friends and familiy members in cold blood with the express purpose of punishing Cardassians?).
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  • markhawkmanmarkhawkman Member Posts: 35,236 Arc User
    Interesting.... A surviving Jem'Hadar from the Dominion War.

    Feels all a bit like a "retcon" to me... Of course, protagonists in TV show don't necessarily have perfect knowledge, but in the finale of DS9, they made a point of saying that the retreat of the Jem'Hadar after the surrender of the Founder did mark the first day in *so and so many years* of no Dominion Forces in the Alpha Quadrant. That doesn't really leave room for a Rogue Vorta and his crew running raids against the Klingons...

    Though within STO, this is kinda consistent. The True Way alliance with the Alpha Jem'Hadar also only really works with ignoring that part of DS9. (And it doesn't work with the end of the war at all for me... I just can't see a scenario where the Cardassians would be willing to trust any Jem'Hadar, Founders or Vorta after what happened on Cardassia Prime. Certainly not the ones that want to bring Cardassia to its "former glory" - how are you going to make any headway with your plans if everyone sees that you're working with the soldiers that killed your friends and familiy members in cold blood with the express purpose of punishing Cardassians?).
    Well, if the Feds had known she was behind the attacks then yeah, but if they didn't even know it was a Dominion ship doing it? I'm sure there are Vorta clever enough to modify their ship's weaponry to not leave the standard Dominion particle traces. That and the Dominion clearly understand how to use stealth. So it's conceivable that a rogue Vorta could use a variety of ways to keep from being discovered.
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  • legendarylycan#5411 legendarylycan Member Posts: 37,282 Arc User
    I just can't see a scenario where the Cardassians would be willing to trust any Jem'Hadar, Founders or Vorta after what happened on Cardassia Prime. Certainly not the ones that want to bring Cardassia to its "former glory" - how are you going to make any headway with your plans if everyone sees that you're working with the soldiers that killed your friends and familiy members in cold blood with the express purpose of punishing Cardassians?).

    and yet that one cardassian continued pledging his loyalty to the dominion right up until he got shot

    not everyone has a functioning mind - even among the cardassians​​
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  • vegeta50024vegeta50024 Member Posts: 2,336 Arc User
    So anyone else wondering if they've closed the Tzenkethi narrative?

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  • piedpiperx#3525 piedpiperx Member Posts: 1 Arc User
    Keep it coming, this is great Star trek forever!
  • onyxheart1onyxheart1 Member Posts: 347 Arc User
    well we definitely know this jem'hadar isn't the prisoner Torg spoke of in the Cold Dishes story; as he's been a prisoner not for 17 years but 35 years, if he's been around since the end of the dominion war

    if Martok isn't the prisoner, i will be very surprised (i really want Martok back as Chancellor of the High Council, Jiffy Pop can stay around to serve the bloodwine, but we need Martok back)
    also, Son'a in STO will be interesting, hope their ships are suitably awesome ^^
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  • geezerpunkgeezerpunk Member Posts: 146 Arc User
    I don't think the Tzenkethi are done, I see a story line that combines the story lines. Like Torg has convinced them that the founders are after the Tzenkethi leadership, but need the red crystals to make them immune to the sickness section 31 made.
  • legendarylycan#5411 legendarylycan Member Posts: 37,282 Arc User
    you mean the non-existent sickness that odo cured at the end of the dominion war?​​
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    A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
    An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
    A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
    A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"


    "It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch."
    "We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
    Passion and Serenity are one.
    I gain power by understanding both.
    In the chaos of their battle, I bring order.
    I am a shadow, darkness born from light.
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  • geezerpunkgeezerpunk Member Posts: 146 Arc User
    Yep. But I bet Section 31 still lets everyone think it is viable. And Torg is using that disinformation to spread his own brand of truth to the Tzenkethi.
  • mustrumridcully0mustrumridcully0 Member Posts: 12,963 Arc User
    I just can't see a scenario where the Cardassians would be willing to trust any Jem'Hadar, Founders or Vorta after what happened on Cardassia Prime. Certainly not the ones that want to bring Cardassia to its "former glory" - how are you going to make any headway with your plans if everyone sees that you're working with the soldiers that killed your friends and familiy members in cold blood with the express purpose of punishing Cardassians?).

    and yet that one cardassian continued pledging his loyalty to the dominion right up until he got shot

    not everyone has a functioning mind - even among the cardassians​​

    I would say that he did that because he believed it was the only way to be safe. He was wrong. Revolting in his position however would have yielded the same results, except more predictably so.
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  • zedbrightlander1zedbrightlander1 Member Posts: 14,782 Arc User
    Still loving these stories. :smile:
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  • gethralkin1gethralkin1 Member Posts: 108 Arc User
    Nice entry into the flavor stories of STO. I love that the weaselly Son'a are coming back, and the Jem'hadar experiments are intriguing. An inhumane extension of the things attempted in DS9 series at one point.

    Just a critique concerning the tlhIngan Hol (Klingon language) used in the story:

    qablIj HI’ang! Heghlu’meH QaQ jajvam! - "Show me your face! Perhaps today is a good day to die!"

    Nuchpu’! Ha’Dibahpu’! - "Cowards! Dogs!"

    taHqeq - possibly, "liar/one who cannot be trusted" (the strongest insult of all in Klingon)

    Nice use of expressions for Grella ambushing her opponents - and in referring to the treacherous/lecherous Torg, and also Paul made correct use of curled apostrophes (straight ASCII apostrophes are never used).

    The second phrase, however, should have been written as "nuchpu’! Ha’DIbaHpu’!"

    While the words were spelled with the correct Latinized letters in the second quote, it was technically misspelled.

    "H" and "ch" are two distinct alphabetical sounds. "H" and "I" are always capitalized when written in Latinized format, while "ch" and "n" never are.

    Capitalization is never used to show beginnings of sentences (that's generally a human thing) in pIqaD, symbolic Klingon char, so it is never used in transliterated Latin script.

    Why Paul wrote the first and third Klingon expressions correctly and not the second? Can't know for certainty. Maybe it was a copy paste/thing that went wrong or a transcription error from information being giving from one source to another.
  • czechmarkczechmark Member Posts: 29 Arc User
    edited June 2017
    Interesting.... A surviving Jem'Hadar from the Dominion War.

    Feels all a bit like a "retcon" to me... Of course, protagonists in TV show don't necessarily have perfect knowledge, but in the finale of DS9, they made a point of saying that the retreat of the Jem'Hadar after the surrender of the Founder did mark the first day in *so and so many years* of no Dominion Forces in the Alpha Quadrant. That doesn't really leave room for a Rogue Vorta and his crew running raids against the Klingons...

    Though within STO, this is kinda consistent. The True Way alliance with the Alpha Jem'Hadar also only really works with ignoring that part of DS9. (And it doesn't work with the end of the war at all for me... I just can't see a scenario where the Cardassians would be willing to trust any Jem'Hadar, Founders or Vorta after what happened on Cardassia Prime. Certainly not the ones that want to bring Cardassia to its "former glory" - how are you going to make any headway with your plans if everyone sees that you're working with the soldiers that killed your friends and familiy members in cold blood with the express purpose of punishing Cardassians?).

    There is a strong historical precedant for nations and armies using "the enemy of my enemy is my ally, at least for now." History during the time of empire has nations constantly swapping sides. For instance, Britain fights France with Russia during the Napoleonic wars, then is allied with France against Russia during the Crimean War, then competes with France over African and Asian colonies, then is allied with France during WWI, then both allied and fighting different French governments in WWII... and this with several preceding centuries of mutual attempts from both nations to conquer the other. The Federation played a canonically indispensible role in the defeat of the Dominion invasion force, and without Federation support, the Cardassian resistance would have floundered and the orbital assault on Cardassia might not have happened (although the female Changeling basically threatened to do it eventually for the attempted Obsidian Order-Tal Shiar assault on the Great Link, so who knows if the Founders would have tried exterminating the Cardassians in revenge). I could easily see the Cardassians and Dominion remnants holding the Federation solely responsible for the war's impact while ignoring their own role (a sort of "why did you make me hit you" kind of philosophy). STO, and Star Trek in general, has a long tradition of bad guys turning out to have some sympathetic reasons behind their actions, but inevitably taking those to a horrific and unjustifiable extreme (Noye/Sphere Builders/Temporal Liberation Front, the Iconians, the Cardassians in DS9, the Maqui, the Son'a, Nero/Sela and the Romulans, the Founders, Shinzon and the Remans, B'Vat, Species 8472, the Octanti, various Temporal Cold War factions... a bit of a running theme in the later shows).

    Additionally, the Jem'Hadar have always been a kind of biological weapon, as mass-produced super soldiers with an in-built control mechanism, so it is possible that Cardassians could have created their own controlled Jem'Hadar armies (though the ships are another matter - unless the instructions to make those are encoded in Jem'Hadar DNA). I do agree that STO is not terribly consistent on the Jem'Hadar presence ingame, with at least one other in-game changeling (Movan) who like Laas is hostile to the Federation, though said changeling is only mentioned in the optional mission "Standoff." In any event, somehow the New Link acquired the means to make Jem'Hadar without any apparent contact with the Great Link (Since they initially believe the Great Link has been exterminated, and why would the Great Link not try to recover them if they knew of the New Link, given the effort to recover Odo?), and the Cardassian separatists are one of the more likely candidates.
  • shemrockskishemrockski Member Posts: 58 Arc User
    Is Grella supposed to be the Gelka from "Cold dishes"? It seems like she would be but why the name change?
  • markhawkmanmarkhawkman Member Posts: 35,236 Arc User
    czechmark wrote: »
    Additionally, the Jem'Hadar have always been a kind of biological weapon, as mass-produced super soldiers with an in-built control mechanism, so it is possible that Cardassians could have created their own controlled Jem'Hadar armies (though the ships are another matter - unless the instructions to make those are encoded in Jem'Hadar DNA). I do agree that STO is not terribly consistent on the Jem'Hadar presence ingame, with at least one other in-game changeling (Movan) who like Laas is hostile to the Federation, though said changeling is only mentioned in the optional mission "Standoff." In any event, somehow the New Link acquired the means to make Jem'Hadar without any apparent contact with the Great Link (Since they initially believe the Great Link has been exterminated, and why would the Great Link not try to recover them if they knew of the New Link, given the effort to recover Odo?), and the Cardassian separatists are one of the more likely candidates.
    It's possible that the Alpha Jem'Hadar were created by people who were deserters at the end of the Dominion war. while not all Vorta are skilled engineers, it is possible that there are a few associated with the True Way who do in fact have the skills required to run a shipyard and/or teach Cardassians how to build Dominion ships, or perhaps functional simulacra. Logically it makes sense for them to use locally sourced materials that might be different than what they normally use. And to cut corners they might do stuff like using Cardassian computers just to avoid the hassle of building Dominion computers.
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  • legendarylycan#5411 legendarylycan Member Posts: 37,282 Arc User
    cardassian computers aren't exactly known for being...functional, much like the majority of cardassian technology

    just look at dreadnought - it misfired because of the computer used in it and enabled the maquis to capture and reprogram it​​
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    #LegalizeAwoo

    A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
    An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
    A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
    A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"


    "It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch."
    "We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
    Passion and Serenity are one.
    I gain power by understanding both.
    In the chaos of their battle, I bring order.
    I am a shadow, darkness born from light.
    The Force is united within me.
  • psycoticvulcanpsycoticvulcan Member Posts: 4,160 Arc User
    Feels all a bit like a "retcon" to me... Of course, protagonists in TV show don't necessarily have perfect knowledge, but in the finale of DS9, they made a point of saying that the retreat of the Jem'Hadar after the surrender of the Founder did mark the first day in *so and so many years* of no Dominion Forces in the Alpha Quadrant. That doesn't really leave room for a Rogue Vorta and his crew running raids against the Klingons...

    I don't recall any line to that effect. They signed the treaty and Odo went back to the Gamma Quadrant, but that was the last we heard of the Dominion.
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  • qwe456345qwe456345 Member Posts: 25 Arc User
    well, seeing as how the next season is probably gonna revolve around Torg, the Son'a, the Ba'ku, and Worf getting revenge, will we see more characters from TNG in STO?
  • brian334brian334 Member Posts: 2,215 Arc User
    It might be hard to get Patrick Stewart because he already has a voice gig, but I bet they could get Brent Spiner to do Patrick's voice.

    Oh, and voice Data if the Enterprize J warps into STO.
  • spiritbornspiritborn Member Posts: 4,363 Arc User
    ENT-J is in game already hell the Universe-class is avaible to players (though the event that gave the ship is done the ship wasn't taken away from players who got it).

    Also with Patrick Steward the problem is probably that he's too expensive for the STO team then that he's doing a VA gig (most voice actor I know of aren't 100% bound to single project and can do more then 1 voice acting gig at once).

    Brent Spiner might be too expensive as well, I dunno.
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