If 'soft-canon' is being used as a synonym for licenced material that is not canon the that's what STO is. All works published under the Star Trek IP under the authority of CBS (or Paramount for KT material) is so called 'soft-canon' (except the 7 shows and 13 films) and requires CBS to sign off on the story or content therein. This is the same weather it's a game or a comic or a book or what ever.
"Soft" is synonymous for "no"?
^ Memory Alpha.org is not canon. It's a open wiki with arbitrary rules. Only what can be cited from an episode is. ^
"No. Men do not roar. Women roar. Then they hurl heavy objects... and claw at you." -Worf, son of Mogh
"A filthy, mangy beast, but in its bony breast beat the heart of a warrior" - "faithful" (...) "but ever-ready to follow the call of the wild." - Martok, about a Targ
"That pig smelled horrid. A sweet-sour, extremely pungent odor. I showered and showered, and it took me a week to get rid of it!" - Robert Justman, appreciating Emmy-Lou
If 'soft-canon' is being used as a synonym for licenced material that is not canon the that's what STO is. All works published under the Star Trek IP under the authority of CBS (or Paramount for KT material) is so called 'soft-canon' (except the 7 shows and 13 films) and requires CBS to sign off on the story or content therein. This is the same weather it's a game or a comic or a book or what ever.
"Soft" is synonymous for "no"?
It's not but that's how it's being used. The alternative is that it means 'canon until contradicted by on-screen works' which is mostly how Star Wars used to roll and kinda how Doctor Who does. Obiously this isn't how Star Trek canon works so we'll have to assume people are just bad at synanoms.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though. JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
If 'soft-canon' is being used as a synonym for licenced material that is not canon the that's what STO is. All works published under the Star Trek IP under the authority of CBS (or Paramount for KT material) is so called 'soft-canon' (except the 7 shows and 13 films) and requires CBS to sign off on the story or content therein. This is the same weather it's a game or a comic or a book or what ever.
This is my interpretation of Canon vs. Soft-Canon as well.
If it was seen/heard on screen in any of the official shows/movies (yes, including Enterprise and TAS), it is Canon. If it was seen/heard/read in any of the officially licensed Star Trek products that were NOT the shows/movies, it is Soft-Canon. That includes STO, as well as things like the TNG/DS9 Tech Manuals, Star Trek Star Charts, etc. which are generally held in high regard, and are often referred to as though they are canon. Anything created by fans, without a license, including Fan Productions like Continues/Renegades/etc. are neither Canon nor Soft-Canon.
Anything that is Soft-Canon is owned by CBS, and can be insta-converted to Canon if/when they please, just by including it in the shows/movies. That includes STO. CBS can take anything they want out of STO, and Canonize it by including it in a show.
A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch." "We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
Passion and Serenity are one.
I gain power by understanding both.
In the chaos of their battle, I bring order.
I am a shadow, darkness born from light.
The Force is united within me.
If 'soft-canon' is being used as a synonym for licenced material that is not canon the that's what STO is. All works published under the Star Trek IP under the authority of CBS (or Paramount for KT material) is so called 'soft-canon' (except the 7 shows and 13 films) and requires CBS to sign off on the story or content therein. This is the same weather it's a game or a comic or a book or what ever.
This is my interpretation of Canon vs. Soft-Canon as well.
If it was seen/heard on screen in any of the official shows/movies (yes, including Enterprise and TAS), it is Canon. If it was seen/heard/read in any of the officially licensed Star Trek products that were NOT the shows/movies, it is Soft-Canon. That includes STO, as well as things like the TNG/DS9 Tech Manuals, Star Trek Star Charts, etc. which are generally held in high regard, and are often referred to as though they are canon. Anything created by fans, without a license, including Fan Productions like Continues/Renegades/etc. are neither Canon nor Soft-Canon.
Anything that is Soft-Canon is owned by CBS, and can be insta-converted to Canon if/when they please, just by including it in the shows/movies. That includes STO. CBS can take anything they want out of STO, and Canonize it by including it in a show.
@baddmoonrizin And with that fine explanation, wouldn't mind seeing this added to the F.C.T. list too.
> @tacofangs said: > artan42 wrote: » > > If 'soft-canon' is being used as a synonym for licenced material that is not canon the that's what STO is. All works published under the Star Trek IP under the authority of CBS (or Paramount for KT material) is so called 'soft-canon' (except the 7 shows and 13 films) and requires CBS to sign off on the story or content therein. This is the same weather it's a game or a comic or a book or what ever. > > > > > This is my interpretation of Canon vs. Soft-Canon as well. > > If it was seen/heard on screen in any of the official shows/movies (yes, including Enterprise and TAS), it is Canon. If it was seen/heard/read in any of the officially licensed Star Trek products that were NOT the shows/movies, it is Soft-Canon. That includes STO, as well as things like the TNG/DS9 Tech Manuals, Star Trek Star Charts, etc. which are generally held in high regard, and are often referred to as though they are canon. Anything created by fans, without a license, including Fan Productions like Continues/Renegades/etc. are neither Canon nor Soft-Canon. > > Anything that is Soft-Canon is owned by CBS, and can be insta-converted to Canon if/when they please, just by including it in the shows/movies. That includes STO. CBS can take anything they want out of STO, and Canonize it by including it in a show.
They are the people responsible for forcing CBS to issue strict guidelines on fan films thus they've negatively affected Phase II, Horizons, and Renegades. So no, I don't think any of us will forget Axanar.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though. JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
I thought cannons weren't as good. Oh, wait a minute, we're babbling on about canon again, not cannons.
'But to be logical is not to be right', and 'nothing' on God's earth could ever 'make it' right!'
Judge Dan Haywood
'As l speak now, the words are forming in my head.
l don't know.
l really don't know what l'm about to say, except l have a feeling about it.
That l must repeat the words that come without my knowledge.'
The scam part is that the guy asked for an took a million dollars from people to make his own star trek movie even though he knew he hadn't gotten permission to make his own star trek movie.
That wasn't the scam, the scam was that he used the $$s to create a studio he intended to be for ongoing commercial use
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Even when we've seen where the toilet would reasonably be in someone's quarters, there were no toilets. And while we have seen a barber aboard the Ent-D (and a chapel aboard TOS Ent, thus implying a chaplain), we've never seen a dentist, nor any sign of dental tools. (The existence of the protoplaser, on the other hand, implies that damaged or missing dental material can simply be resynthesized in the same fashion as missing flesh or damaged bones.)
(It may be necessary at this point, given the way these discussions have gone in the past, to point out that I'm not being entirely serious - that, in fact, my tongue is so far in cheek that it threatens to push through my beard.)
Taco has weighed in on this thread twice. So... answered and closed.
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"Soft" is synonymous for "no"?
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It's not but that's how it's being used. The alternative is that it means 'canon until contradicted by on-screen works' which is mostly how Star Wars used to roll and kinda how Doctor Who does. Obiously this isn't how Star Trek canon works so we'll have to assume people are just bad at synanoms.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
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This is my interpretation of Canon vs. Soft-Canon as well.
If it was seen/heard on screen in any of the official shows/movies (yes, including Enterprise and TAS), it is Canon. If it was seen/heard/read in any of the officially licensed Star Trek products that were NOT the shows/movies, it is Soft-Canon. That includes STO, as well as things like the TNG/DS9 Tech Manuals, Star Trek Star Charts, etc. which are generally held in high regard, and are often referred to as though they are canon. Anything created by fans, without a license, including Fan Productions like Continues/Renegades/etc. are neither Canon nor Soft-Canon.
Anything that is Soft-Canon is owned by CBS, and can be insta-converted to Canon if/when they please, just by including it in the shows/movies. That includes STO. CBS can take anything they want out of STO, and Canonize it by including it in a show.
#LegalizeAwoo
A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch."
"We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
@baddmoonrizin And with that fine explanation, wouldn't mind seeing this added to the F.C.T. list too.
> @tacofangs said:
> artan42 wrote: »
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> If 'soft-canon' is being used as a synonym for licenced material that is not canon the that's what STO is. All works published under the Star Trek IP under the authority of CBS (or Paramount for KT material) is so called 'soft-canon' (except the 7 shows and 13 films) and requires CBS to sign off on the story or content therein. This is the same weather it's a game or a comic or a book or what ever.
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> This is my interpretation of Canon vs. Soft-Canon as well.
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> If it was seen/heard on screen in any of the official shows/movies (yes, including Enterprise and TAS), it is Canon. If it was seen/heard/read in any of the officially licensed Star Trek products that were NOT the shows/movies, it is Soft-Canon. That includes STO, as well as things like the TNG/DS9 Tech Manuals, Star Trek Star Charts, etc. which are generally held in high regard, and are often referred to as though they are canon. Anything created by fans, without a license, including Fan Productions like Continues/Renegades/etc. are neither Canon nor Soft-Canon.
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> Anything that is Soft-Canon is owned by CBS, and can be insta-converted to Canon if/when they please, just by including it in the shows/movies. That includes STO. CBS can take anything they want out of STO, and Canonize it by including it in a show.
They are the people responsible for forcing CBS to issue strict guidelines on fan films thus they've negatively affected Phase II, Horizons, and Renegades. So no, I don't think any of us will forget Axanar.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
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l don't know.
l really don't know what l'm about to say, except l have a feeling about it.
That l must repeat the words that come without my knowledge.'
"I was here before you, I will be here after you are gone. I am here, regardless of your acknowledgement or acceptance..." - The Truth
So they actually have someone named Dunsel go through the academy? Cadet Dunsel?
Originally Posted by pwlaughingtrendy
Network engineers are not ship designers.
Nor should they be. Their ships would look weird.
Even when we've seen where the toilet would reasonably be in someone's quarters, there were no toilets. And while we have seen a barber aboard the Ent-D (and a chapel aboard TOS Ent, thus implying a chaplain), we've never seen a dentist, nor any sign of dental tools. (The existence of the protoplaser, on the other hand, implies that damaged or missing dental material can simply be resynthesized in the same fashion as missing flesh or damaged bones.)
(It may be necessary at this point, given the way these discussions have gone in the past, to point out that I'm not being entirely serious - that, in fact, my tongue is so far in cheek that it threatens to push through my beard.)
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