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m311m311 Member Posts: 92 Arc User
It seems extremely hard for free player to acquire T6 ships without event. There should be unlockable T6 ships in the Reputation system as it takes quite a long time to rank it up. I have been playing this game for months as Federation. I'm still stuck with T5 ship Star Cruiser. I made it all the way to New Frontier storyline and been having trouble surviving missions after Cardassian Struggle and PVE space. I was pretty newbie at the reputation system thing when I first started fighting borgs in Defera system. I notice the Reputation only gives sets. But, wouldn't it be nice to give T6 ships once rank 5? All the new players to the reputation system would know where to farm next, instead of trying to wait for the next event. I have been ignoring the reputation system for a while because story mission sets are still pretty good. The rep system doesn't seem to offer anything unique other than sets. What got me to look at the reputation system more was the Adapt MACO set which I wanted to use against Borg.

The rest seems pointless to grind in the Rep system. If T6 ships were added. There would be more people farming marks on planets possibly and it wouldn't be as ignored.

It doesn't have to be one of those strong T6 ship, but something worth collecting and stronger than T5 at least.
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  • kjwashingtonkjwashington Member Posts: 2,529 Arc User
    edited May 2017
    I don't think they should give away ships for reps. I'm assuming you're talking about ones from the C-Store? The game would go broke if they did that. Ten reps times how many players = number of free ships given away. Number of free ships given away times $30 = hit to Cryptic's profit. Even if they gave everyone only one free T6 ship for completing all the reps, it would still be a noticeable hit to their profit.

    I agree that they should give another ship after the one at level 40. Unless you're an experienced player, using them at level 60 can still be a challenge, especially without rep/mission gear. It doesn't help that there is a bit of a difficulty jump after 50, and if you don't know how to properly build that level 40 ship (most new players don't), you'll get torn apart.
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  • nccmarknccmark Member Posts: 1,083 Arc User
    edited May 2017
    If this happened ship sales would tank and there would be even fewer paid employee working on the game.

    No please.

    And a T6 ship is only about 120 million ECs on exchange. It all can't be free and super easy.
  • legendarylycan#5411 legendarylycan Member Posts: 37,282 Arc User
    nccmark wrote: »
    If this happened ship sales would tank and there would be even fewer paid employee working on the game.

    No please.

    And a T6 ship is only about 120 million ECs on exchange. It all can't be free and super easy.

    so make the rep project take 150-200m EC (because you are way off about how much a typical T6 lockbox/lobi ship goes for - they usually hover around 250-300m) and turn the rep system into a mid-end EC sink, which the game desperately needs​​
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  • jaguarskxjaguarskx Member Posts: 5,945 Arc User
    Free T6 ship for completing each reputation system? I don't think so.

    T6 ships are pretty easy to get as long as you are willing to put in the time to get an Event Ship. It only takes a few minutes a day to earn the vouchers necessary to claim the ship during the event. Don't want to put in the time? Then you don't get the ship. Some T6 ships are pretty inexpensive on the Exchange. There is also grinding Dil, refining it, and then exchanging it for Zen to buy a ship from the C-Store.

    If you don't think the game is being fair to you, then you can always look around for another F2P game that gives players more than what STO has to offer to people that do not want to bother spending money on the game.
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  • postagepaidpostagepaid Member Posts: 2,899 Arc User
    A T5 for getting rep topped out in all bar the pvpve one (since that seems to be dead) would be a more viable option for them to look at. From the current reps it'd be hard to tie in a ship to a specific rep without either having to make a new one (borg) or removing one from lockbox/lobi store (undine).

    They already give 3 t6's a year albeit from that awful winter race that seriously needs reworked (first across the line can lose=broken or bs by design), the omega scanning tedium and some summer thing I've never bothered with that I think involves hoverboards. But they are there and they have been new ones each time so far so there's not much need to another free t6 being added.

    Topping out a rep gives you 32000 ore plus marks to get another 10k with a couple of daily boxes added to the pool (newer reps also give 5 elite tokens) so if there's nothing from the rep thats of interest you can transfer that over to zen and take a dent out of a store ship.
  • tygerzztygerzz Member Posts: 105 Arc User
    With all the ways to earn or buy a ship with in game currency, my vote is no
  • tm706tm706 Member Posts: 334 Arc User
    Everything is this game is playable and winnable at/with T5 ships. I understand wanting to stay F2P and not wanting to spend money you might not have, but the trade off is being able to invest time to earn better gear/ships. The 3 yearly events require an investment of a few minutes a day to earn a "free" T6 ship. Most of those ships have been, at the very least good/competitive with what you can buy for real money. If you aren't willing to grind an event for a few weeks, why would you be willing to grind out a rep and it's required content (PVE queues) instead ? Either way it's a time Vs Money deal. No reason to add T6 ships to the reputation systems.
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  • ssbn655ssbn655 Member Posts: 1,894 Arc User
    m311 wrote: »
    It seems extremely hard for free player to acquire T6 ships without event. There should be unlockable T6 ships in the Reputation system as it takes quite a long time to rank it up. I have been playing this game for months as Federation. I'm still stuck with T5 ship Star Cruiser. I made it all the way to New Frontier storyline and been having trouble surviving missions after Cardassian Struggle and PVE space. I was pretty newbie at the reputation system thing when I first started fighting borgs in Defera system. I notice the Reputation only gives sets. But, wouldn't it be nice to give T6 ships once rank 5? All the new players to the reputation system would know where to farm next, instead of trying to wait for the next event. I have been ignoring the reputation system for a while because story mission sets are still pretty good. The rep system doesn't seem to offer anything unique other than sets. What got me to look at the reputation system more was the Adapt MACO set which I wanted to use against Borg.

    The rest seems pointless to grind in the Rep system. If T6 ships were added. There would be more people farming marks on planets possibly and it wouldn't be as ignored.

    It doesn't have to be one of those strong T6 ship, but something worth collecting and stronger than T5 at least.

    Ok a few tips. If you have a T-5 ship you really do not need a T-6 for end game. All you need to do is upgrade your T-5 to T-5U. Another tip work at your crafting trees and get the Ship related ones to at least level 15. This unlocks crafting great gear for your ship like the Aegis set and the superior upgrade tokens to bring your gear to level 14. Just doing that alone you will see a vast improvement in your ship. Capt's traits look at them and activate those geared to making your ship more surviable. Do the rep trees as there are sets in there that will greatly help you both on ground and space. Check out the Exchange for gear thats matches your particular style of play. Try not to rainbow your ship i.e. mix anti proton with disruptors,plasma. pahsers polaron, yes it looks cool but can really hurt your overall damage dealing stick to one family of weapons be it pahser, plasma or whatever. Right now On several of my charecters I am running T-5u's instead of the t-6's I have as in some cases due to ship layout they have an edge the t-6 may not have. ALso on the exchange you can find t-6's for Ec some are farily cheap. So don't write off a T-5 as T-6's aren't the magic I win wand they may seem at first glance. In a few weeks the Risa Sumer Event is coming and by doing the daily floater race and gathering the marks you will earn a T-6 ship for free just by doing the dailey the required number of times.
  • david#5676 david Member Posts: 43 Arc User
    edited May 2017
    If you want to be cheap, you can wait until the have the deals on discounted zen and then wait for the 20% off ships that they do from time to time and end up with your pick of a T6 for around $20 with no grinding needed.
  • ssbn655ssbn655 Member Posts: 1,894 Arc User
    A T5 for getting rep topped out in all bar the pvpve one (since that seems to be dead) would be a more viable option for them to look at. From the current reps it'd be hard to tie in a ship to a specific rep without either having to make a new one (borg) or removing one from lockbox/lobi store (undine).

    They already give 3 t6's a year albeit from that awful winter race that seriously needs reworked (first across the line can lose=broken or bs by design), the omega scanning tedium and some summer thing I've never bothered with that I think involves hoverboards. But they are there and they have been new ones each time so far so there's not much need to another free t6 being added.

    Topping out a rep gives you 32000 ore plus marks to get another 10k with a couple of daily boxes added to the pool (newer reps also give 5 elite tokens) so if there's nothing from the rep thats of interest you can transfer that over to zen and take a dent out of a store ship.

    ??? the winter race to earn the ship is SOLO. None of the PVP races in events grants marks for the ships. They are all SOLO races against the clock or an NPC.
  • artan42artan42 Member Posts: 10,450 Bug Hunter
    There is likely a shipsale coming up. Just pick up almost any T5 or T6 ship. The T5 ones will come with a free upgrade toke in the sale.​​
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  • dracounguisdracounguis Member Posts: 5,358 Arc User
    edited May 2017
    Man! I just typed a long post and it disappeared! So if it happens to reappear, that'sd why there's a double post. :D

    Cryptic gives away 3 top-tier event ships a year, and they do some givaways of older ships, costumes, bank slots, and etc. too. So I think they do a decent job with free stuff, considering they are a F2P game. Hell, they give more free stuff here than I ever got on WoW and I pay them each month!

    If you are patient you can buy zen and get bonus, then wait for a ship sale. Buy a ship 'bundle' (usually 33% off normal price of those 3 ships). Add all those savings and you can get a new ship for as low as $11.43. I've spent more on a sandwich and chips at Schlotzsky's for lunch. Timing is everything.
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  • jaguarskxjaguarskx Member Posts: 5,945 Arc User
    ssbn655 wrote: »

    Ok a few tips. If you have a T-5 ship you really do not need a T-6 for end game. All you need to do is upgrade your T-5 to T-5U.

    There are two basic exceptions:

    1 - The free T5 ship selected at level 40 cannot be upgraded to T5u.

    2 - Mirror Universe T5 ships cannot be upgraded to T5u.
  • salazarrazesalazarraze Member Posts: 3,794 Arc User
    We already get 3 free T6 ships a year from the three main events, OP. That's more than enough.
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  • baudlbaudl Member Posts: 4,060 Arc User
    sorry, but it's not that hard for new players to get T6 ships. Atleast not difficult compared to endgame content in other f2p games out there.
    3 free ones (that are actually not bad) per year is already a huge gift. Especially if you consider that any T5 ship is perfectly fine for any content the game has.
    Then there is the dilithium exchange that basically is the greatest best idea for a f2p mmorpg. A million dilithium should be enough for a T6 zen ship (at a 300 dil exchange rate), that means at a rate of 24k dilithium (3 free character slots) per day you grind 42 days to get an account unlock T6 ship.
    That is actually extremely reasonable for obtaining an endgame gear/object for a f2p game, hell even for any mmorpg if I remember my time in other subscription based mmorpgs grinding for a specific item or set.
    Further, by the time you grinded the 1 million dil, you should have reached the 10 million EC cap multiple times too, so you should have decent weapons too.


    having said all that, I actually do like the idea of having ships in the repuation stores of the various factions. However, those special ships are cryptics way of monetising the game and making a profit, making those ships less valuable might break their business model.
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  • postagepaidpostagepaid Member Posts: 2,899 Arc User
    ssbn655 wrote: »
    ??? the winter race to earn the ship is SOLO. None of the PVP races in events grants marks for the ships. They are all SOLO races against the clock or an NPC.

    That's odd because the winter mission to get the ship mark always pointed me to the race vs other players where you have the stupid trophy grab at the end which is inherrently biased against anyone with a transatlantic ping to cope with.
  • ltminnsltminns Member Posts: 12,572 Arc User
    No, no competitive races for any of the three Events per year that award free T6 Ships.
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  • david#5676 david Member Posts: 43 Arc User
    I usually just give up energy drinks for a week and use the savings towards spending on games. That way it's like found money and not extra being spent on a new ship. I can justify just about anything by just spending less on lunch during work towards whatever it is that I want.
  • rimmarierimmarie Member Posts: 418 Arc User
    That's odd because the winter mission to get the ship mark always pointed me to the race vs other players where you have the stupid trophy grab at the end which is inherrently biased against anyone with a transatlantic ping to cope with.

    Its quite clear the Breen and the Risians do not like you.
    They have spent much time and effort to deceive you (and you alone) into believing you have to do the pvp races for the free ship. This, of course, was futile because even after you finish (even win) said races, you would not receive your prize.

    evil Breen.
    evil Risians.

    seriously,
    in the winter, you race (slide) around the Winter Wonderland Lake against a random NPC creature or even a Breen.
    in the summer, you fly around on a jetpack through giant green hoops (sounds like an acid trip)

    the other events usually involve you repeating a mission or PVE queue like 20 times.



  • saber1973asaber1973a Member Posts: 1,225 Arc User
    m311 wrote: »
    It seems extremely hard for free player to acquire T6 ships without event. There should be unlockable T6 ships in the Reputation system as it takes quite a long time to rank it up. I have been playing this game for months as Federation. I'm still stuck with T5 ship Star Cruiser.

    ...

    The rest seems pointless to grind in the Rep system. If T6 ships were added. There would be more people farming marks on planets possibly and it wouldn't be as ignored.

    It doesn't have to be one of those strong T6 ship, but something worth collecting and stronger than T5 at least.

    I'm playing completly F2P (because my country does not have any PWE representation, and i don't want do international shopping on my credit card) and while at start it's rather hard to get T6 ships, i have currently most T5 and T6 packs avaiable (still waiting for ships sale to get the T6 Escort Pack and T6 Multimission Sci Megapack).
    The key to earn dilithium (and Zen through exchange) is having many alternate toons, that you then grind in DOFF and Admirailty assignments. The only problem is at start to get enough Zen to buy some toon slots, then raise the toons to open admirality (and then it's easier from there).

    Personally i don't like the idea of normal reputation T6 ships... they really should have take some effort to get - even if it is to sit before monitor for 5 minutes through 25 days...
  • risian4risian4 Member Posts: 3,711 Arc User
    Only if I can get a Borg Sphere ;)

    Or even better: a Voth Citadel.


    Seriously though, I think we get enough ships. We get at least 3 free ones every year: Anniversary, Winter, Summer ships. If they ever consider to add ships as content-related rewards, they should be random drops in queues, preferably the ones that take longer to complete and are less popular right now.

    But not as part of a reputation project. We need more unique rewards in the actual game content itself, not behind some reputation system that doesn't actually require the player to participate in the missions since marks can be obtained in many other ways nowadays.
    And they should be T5 at best. T5 ships are alright, you don't actually need a T6 ship.
  • jaguarskxjaguarskx Member Posts: 5,945 Arc User
    risian4 wrote: »
    Only if I can get a Borg Sphere ;)

    Nah... too puny...

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  • ssbn655ssbn655 Member Posts: 1,894 Arc User
    ssbn655 wrote: »
    ??? the winter race to earn the ship is SOLO. None of the PVP races in events grants marks for the ships. They are all SOLO races against the clock or an NPC.

    That's odd because the winter mission to get the ship mark always pointed me to the race vs other players where you have the stupid trophy grab at the end which is inherrently biased against anyone with a transatlantic ping to cope with.

    Nope that is not the race for the ship. The race is Called The Fastest Race on Ice and you get it from the race coordinator in the gazebo near Q. You then go to the race starter who is standing alone in a tiny gazebo near the start finish line. The race you describe is for Epo marks for the winter pets.
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