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soo in 1st contact when they go back to earth after WW3.
riker mentions the death toll.
500 million dead. is it just me or is this number extremely small for WW3? how was earth in soo bad shape?
no functional government's he mentions as well.
riker mentions the death toll.
500 million dead. is it just me or is this number extremely small for WW3? how was earth in soo bad shape?
no functional government's he mentions as well.
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#LegalizeAwoo
A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch."
"We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
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not to mention dunno what the population would of been in that time line..
Perhaps the war was contained to fighting against the superhuman overlords who'd taken over a number of countries. Going to guess they were all in one area, so fighting wasn't global. But things like resource shortages and famine probably happened after or during the war.
Places like Paris, San Francisco etc seem unaffected but it all, most of their landmarks are still intact.
#LegalizeAwoo
A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch."
"We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
we are around 7 billion now or 8 billion.
in the grand scheme of things 600million out of 7 or 8 billion isn't much. if indeed there where more deaths? be why did riker just say 600 million?
surely they would have better idea of number of dead.
But WWIII was a follow on from the Eugenics wars (which were probably localized fighting more than global) so the two are closely linked.
I only mention Khan because where he was located would probably have turned out to become one of the opposing sides in WWIII, an as such that area would have been a prime target.
Truth is none of Trek's history makes much sense. If WWIII really did ressult in such massive destruction of cities then how are they all still standing in the TV shows? Paris doesn't look like it got nuked, neither does anywhere in the continental US. Such a massive global war would have left utter devastation, the examples we see in First Contact and a few episodes don't look anything like what the aftermath of a nuclear war should.
#LegalizeAwoo
A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch."
"We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
Imagine every tenth person in your neighborhood dieing and then imagine that globaly every tenth person dead, 600 million isnt a small number considering its 10% of earths entire population.
However if a real WW3 were to happen and the nuclear option was used? its my belief the end result would be 100% cassualties with 90% dead in the first few hours and the lat 10% over the next few weeks and months.
My character Tsin'xing
Point of comparison: in World War 2, 60 million people died with a world population somewhere around 2.3 billion. That's 2.6% of the world population at that time (up from 0.9% in World War 1). For the projected world population at the time of Star Trek's World War 3 (probably 9.4 billion), the death toll is 6.4% of the total population. That's nearly two and a half times as destructive to the general population.
Now think about what people had to go through during World War 2. Yeah, this is where you guys need to take a step back and find a sense of proportion. 600,000,000 is a big number.
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With modern weapons there is no longer a military purpose to destroying entire cities. Why destroy what you intend to rule? However, there would be great urgency in destroying enemy headquarters, assassinating particularly effective leaders, eliminating supply routes which feed resources into well defended positions, and disrupting the enemy's ability to communicate amongst themselves.
If the 10% killed happen to be mostly politicians and military leaders, and if after the fact huge sections of the world are cut off from access to trade, it might take generations to recover globally. In fact, 600 million would be exceptionally high considering the less than 9% losses suffered by Germany in WW2 when carpet bombing entire cities was not uncommon.
BTW, this "Starlancer", whatever it is, did not originate the idea of an "Eastern Coalition", unless it predates Heinlein's Future History (which, along with The Moon Is a Harsh Mistress and the otherwise-ludicrous Sixth Column, included the idea that the Chinese, after going communist, kept expanding until they ruled most of Asia, all of Indonesia, and part of Australia). The concept is also echoed in Jerry Pournelle's CoDominium, created back when it looked like the USSR would remain a going concern, in which a series of treaties eventually concentrated all military and political power into the US/USSR CoDominium (until it was overthrown by the Empire of Man, during the Formation Wars).
honestly, even a limited use(or a scenario where only 1/10 detonated after being fired) of nukes could cause catastrophic losses. The biggest cities in the world have several million people in them. nuking London(worse if Parliament doesn't escape) would cause massive financial and social upheaval in the UK.
My character Tsin'xing
Nukes are already obsolete as anything but terror or last resort retaliation weapons.
No. Khan and the Eugenics war were later retconed to being later. TOS is the single lone source of it being in the 90s. It definitely takes place around the same time (if not the same conflict as) the Third World War. All references to it in DS9 and ENT bear that out.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
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Nuke's don't win wars on their own. Fat Man and Little Boy did not force Japan to surrender on their own at the end of WW2, it took a Soviet invasion of Manchuria at the same time to force the surrender.
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Wars has always been a conventional combined arms approach to victory.
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Is anyone here familiar with an older tabletop RPG called Twilight: 2000? (I understand it later received an update, and a later timeframe.) The basic idea of it was that WW3 had started five years earlier; there had been a limited nuclear exchange, nuking a few capital cities, but the war continued (at least in Europe) in more conventional fashion. (Your unit was on a recon mission out of a FOB in Poland, which was unexpectedly overrun by a Soviet armored division. The last message you received was, "You're on your own. Good luck.")
According to later supplementary material, if you ever made it back to the States (our plan was to fight across the USSR, then cross the Bering Strait in midwinter), you would find what was left of your homeland embroiled in civil war. The senior surviving member of Congress was the junior senator from Nebraska, and the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs (who had been out of town when DC was nuked) refused to acknowledge his leadership, so the two sides (as so often happens) took to fighting.
So as you can see, even a "limited" WW3 could cause a complete breakdown of governing bodies, just by knocking out enough levels...