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vor1022
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I just came back from being away for a year and a half. I logged in and while i see lots and lots of people running around it feels like nobody does anything together anymore.. I've joined 7 fleets in a week all of them touting lvl 56 fleets and over 400 members.. but i never see more than 4 online! I don't get it do people not team up in this game anymore or am i just getting the short end of the stick when it comes to fleet invites?
If your out there... oh fleet of my dreams.. i'm looking for a Fed fleet that has ya know active members not 395 dead ones.. prefer one that uses discord but i'll live with teamspeak.. I'm looking for a fleet that does stf's together events missions you know play the game in a group setting... if you think your fleet fits the bill please msg me and i'll be happy to join.. and so would my friend.
msg me @vor1022
If your out there... oh fleet of my dreams.. i'm looking for a Fed fleet that has ya know active members not 395 dead ones.. prefer one that uses discord but i'll live with teamspeak.. I'm looking for a fleet that does stf's together events missions you know play the game in a group setting... if you think your fleet fits the bill please msg me and i'll be happy to join.. and so would my friend.
msg me @vor1022
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1) Normal content is not interesting enough to team up for
2) Those who can play advanced content have little reason to team up for it - you can just PUG it instead
There is no good average content that is, at the same time, challenging enough to need a pre-made team.
And then there's of course the whole problem of not having to work together in most missions.
STO is a single player game. You can play with others, but there's no reason to do it and therefore it's easier/faster/more convenient not to do it.
This type of system emerged as a necessity as more players found the need to create their own person fleets, or simply had different-faction characters, and could no longer use the main fleet's [Fleet] channel.
There are a whole lot of toxic fleets out there, so be cautious with that fleet hopping. It is not uncommon to run into "fleet leaders" with disturbing power and control issues.
- Space Barbie is the real endgame
STO is event driven. I bet you can't find a 2 week period in the last 2yrs that hadn't had some sort of limited time event going on. Cryptic is addicted to events.
Look under the Fleet page, alot of fleets put an 'ad' there looking for new people.
A lot of people these days tend to see/use fleets as vendors to access fleet gear, they aren't interested in getting to know whose who in the fleet they only want access to the holdings.
To much of the game can be soloed or simply joining a public queue with no need for tactics or co-op to get those pink rocks or reputation marks.
Hello rubber banding my old friend, time to bounce around the battlezone again, where are all my bug reports going?, out of love with this game I am falling, As Cryptic fail to acknowledge a problem exists, Shakes an angry fist, And from Support all I'm hearing are the sounds of silence.
Folks who join existing fleets often run into bizarre and sometimes exploitative demands from "fleet leaders". I can certainly understand the trend we've been seeing where folks are treating fleets merely as vendor provision mills, and carrying out their social activities in more level-headed spaces.
Starting a new fleet is a very very bad idea, at this point. Join a fleet that has stuff. You are millions of [item name here] from having any of the fleet places complete and access to what they offer. So unless you just want to have a fleet in name only, sure go for it. But if you want any actual items that fleets offer, you are months/years away from them.
It's been a long time maybe 7-8 years ago, I remember this guild in WoW, 2 of their rules in that guild was all players had to put like 2000 platinum a week into the guild bank and all random drops blue or pink and higher, (can't remember that color) most go into the guild bank first, so the higher-up people can check if they needed it before a lower level guildie. (wish I could remember the guild name)
Exactly. There are multi-month time gates to grind the XP for each of the holdings, and each one takes millions of dil and thousands of white doffs.
Everyone that starts playing STO wants to start their own fleet, there are probably more fleets then players at this point. For some reason, no one is happy to join a fleet, everyone wants their own.
Large fleets are all but dead in STO. The game itself is still alive, just as others have said it's in a lull at the current time.
There's a lot of RP-fleets out there for whom building holdings seems of secondary concern. Fleets like those with 'expeditionary force', 'temporal' and 'agency', 'MACO' or names of nebulas are likely not about being all-awesome or the places where you would find people who use fleets for 'economically' advancing their own characters.
I guess it all depends on what you're paying attention to.
Which also holds for this. Those kinds of bios are probably the ones you are most likely to remember. I've seen maybe one or two bios of people who described their character as being the most awesome being in the universe so to say. (I'm not counting the ones who describe their characters as being genetically modified, an android, or of some very advanced made-up species - that's just wanting to have a special background for your character, it doesn't mean their character is the hero of the Galaxy)
On the other hand, I've seen many more humble character descriptions.
I'm in what I'd consider a pretty good fleet, and some players are active, but there's very little conversation from what I can observe. Of course being a different timezone it could just be that I miss when others are mostly on. The fleet teamwork is mainly about dumping resources into fleet projects to unlock stuff, and since pretty much everything that can be unlocked has, simply dumping for the fleet credits. Does mean that it's easy to buy fleet stuff though.
WTF! That's... just wrong. That's basically cutting into a player's ability to not only make money in game, but their ability to fight as well. "Oh man I could use this sword, as it is WAY better than the one I have now, but the rules say I have to let the boss inspect it first."
Sorry... but if I get back into WoW and someone tried to pull that TRIBBLE on me I'd see myself out. Hell... in ANY MMO I'd do that, as I'd feel like I'm being taken advantage of at the expense of my ability to play the game.
Maybe, but consider the time of the year. Usually around December we get into the event swarm.
All three fall in the same general period. After that we get a little bit of a breather. Nothing major scheduled as far as I know other than the usual weekend things.
That's pretty brutal, but not surprising.
A lot of fleets have weird "rules of conduct", some going so far as to demand you think certain ways about things. They periodically send out long mails outlining how you are to live your life. Very cult-like stuff.
I was a member of more than one fleet that punished members who did not use character names that contained the fleet's initials and the use of bracketed initials in your names elsewhere on the internet.
One fleet even demanded I swear an oath of loyalty, that I could not join any other fleet while I was still a member of theirs.
A lot of fleets have what they call "contribution requirements", that are used to trick expendable randos into paying their fleets' dilithium bills.
Some fleets insist members must always address higher ranking members as "sir" as part of their rules. These fleets almost always have wacky "insubordination" rules and sometimes even hold weird sessions of Captain Judge Judy during mandatory weekly fleet meetings. Creepy stuff, there.
All-in-all, I can see why people turn off chat.
Our fleet only has one rule that might be considered 'harsh'. You have to donate stuff worth 100k of fleet credits before you can buy stuff from the store. Worst part of it is; unless you get lucky and get some FMs in, you might be stuck donating the low value stuff to get there. People love donating the FMs for some reason...
Most of this is indeed pretty weird. Except for the contribution requirements. We used to have, as a rule, that you needed to donate an x amount before you get access to the stores. After that, alts automatically gain access as well. Just to prevent people from joining, buying something and immediately leaving again.
I think it's reasonable to expect some sort of contribution from your members if they want to benefit from the combined efforts of the fleet, those provisions are not free after all and have to be built up by others otherwise.
Nowadays we've dropped that rule as it's hard to determine whether people actually contributed to the provision projects or just filled the Fleet mark surplus project - and we've got plenty of provisions nowadays. So we instantly promote to the rank where people get access to the stores - but there are good reasons for smaller or not so rich fleets not to provide access to the stores automatically.
My partner and I joined this particular fleet about 6 months ago, were made entirely welcome literally from the minute we joined the fleet chat and have been treated the same ever since. We've had fleet PvE evenings, fleet quiz nights with very generous prizes and there is almost always someone around just to chat with/ask for help/whatever. I've never been asked to contribute anything (although I do, because I believe that's the point) and the emphasis is on being social rather than who can throw the most Dil or EC or whatever at a project.
I'm not sure whether fleet adverts are allowed here and so I won't go into detail re:names and stuff as I do appreciate that's kind of what my post sounds like - it is all accurate though. If the OP or anyone else wants more info, message me on here or in game.
I have the same experience - never had any issues with weird fleet leaders. Except when I eventually became the leader, that's when our fleet leadership became a bit weird but by that time my fleet mates already knew me and had already gotten used to it
It seems to fit
Fearmongering or scaremongering is the spreading of frightening and exaggerated rumors of an impending danger or the habit or tactic of purposely and needlessly arousing public fear about an issue. This can take the form of psychological manipulation that uses fear-based tactics including exaggeration and usually repetition to influence the public in order to achieve a desired outcome.
We have myself (dreaded pirate lookalike), a 71 year old guy, and 18yr old greek (ironically galled nick), a guy with a strange sexual fixation with tribbles (in house joke), a guy with a dangerous obsession with my moobs, and a 65 yr old female pvp badass. That's just the leaders lol!
"If this will be our end, then I will have them make SUCH an end as to be worthy of rememberance! Out of torpedos you say?! Find me the ferengi!".
"If this will be our end, then I will have them make SUCH an end as to be worthy of rememberance! Out of torpedos you say?! Find me the ferengi!".
I can think of a couple real world cases from recent history.
lol so can I but those are best left for discussion in ESD zone chat. My comment was directed at a couple of people in the forum who repeatedly try to paint being part of a fleet as a negative experience, when the opposite is usually true.