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Please nerf Tac Captain abilities to buff all things
newromulan
Member Posts: 230 Arc User
With the new Balance pass for space to come, I definitely would like Cryptic to make it so that Tac captain buffs apply only to tac abilities. It is silly that they buff everything. Make it so! I am just returning to the game and it seems that Tac captains are the jack-of-all trades - fly a tac in a tac ship - awesome - fly a tac in a science ship- also awesome. Something not right there.
Update: General consensus seems to be that Tac needs an adjustment.
1. Make it so that Tac captain abilities only buff weapons damage - not all damage types.
2. Lower the percentage that Tac buffs apply - they seem to have stayed the same percent buff - as everything they buff has been upgraded and much more powerful.
3. Take a closer look at all the stacking that goes on with Tac buffs/traits/etc
The fact that a Tac Captain can put out more exotic damage then a science or engineer can - is clearly broken.
Update: General consensus seems to be that Tac needs an adjustment.
1. Make it so that Tac captain abilities only buff weapons damage - not all damage types.
2. Lower the percentage that Tac buffs apply - they seem to have stayed the same percent buff - as everything they buff has been upgraded and much more powerful.
3. Take a closer look at all the stacking that goes on with Tac buffs/traits/etc
The fact that a Tac Captain can put out more exotic damage then a science or engineer can - is clearly broken.
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It's absurd that a tac can buff sci abilities of all things.
Daizen - Lvl 60 Tactical - Eclipse
Selia - Lvl 60 Tactical - Eclipse
Oh god this again? Instead of Tac lets nerf Sci and Eng that make them pretty much
unkillable.
Sounds reasonable.
They'd have to be careful though, as the largest population would probably suffer from this. If they make these changes, I'd rather not see them do it all at once, but in small steps.
Give the players some time to adapt to it. Also, I wouldn't remove the buffing entirely - a Sci can also greatly buff his shields while playing in an escort for example, so, vice versa, some tactical buffing of Sci powers should be allowed as well.
Tactical officers are the DPS-career, that will likely always remain the case and that's ok. They shouldn't try to change that, just tone down the non-career specific buffs from things like APA a bit and bring tacs a bit more in line with the other careers.
https://www.reddit.com/r/stobuilds/comments/3jlzhu/aceton_beam_postpatch_any_good/
Tactical captains are just fine and do exactly what their suppossed to do. The problem is that science and engineering captains and the combat system were all poorly designed in the first place. It isn't that tactical captains are OP it's that they work alright while the others just don't. Any non-damage focussed playstyle is of dubious use outside of PVP and specialised circumstances because of how the combat system was designed. That isn't tactical captains fault and there is no simple way to fix it.
Ground wise is no different. I came back after a big pvp fleet game scoring about 50-0 (yes I know the scoreboard is bugged) by badly abusing the kligat/Boolean, ambush and various other forms damage stacking.
My beef with this game is simple since DR: I need a good reason to play a sci or an engi, and not (an army) of tacs only. TRIBBLE the tacs.
It's true that the ENG/SCI captain abilities suck compared to Tac, but I don't think a complete redesign is possible. I don't think that it is unreasonable to make Tac captain abilities only buff Tac powers. Maybe they even need to scale the Buff percentages back a bit as well.
I mean how are engineering captains suppossed to accomplish anything if their only allowed to tank and heal? That's stupid. They can make tactical builds or science builds if they want but their unique built-in engineering skills should make them more durable (or whatever) then a tac or sci flying the same build. So on and so forth
They need to figure out what Science and Engineers should be focussed around and redesign them to suit that role effectively. No matter what build or playstyle you decide to use they should give benefits to your character as a whole that don't depend upon which ship your flying or what powers you use.
Scaling back the bonusses might be a good idea though i'm not intimately familiar with the math behind it all so i can't form an opinion on the matter.
the way your ship is moving can certainly affect how your weapons perform against a target, but it most certainly shouldn't affect how damaging something fired from your deflector is - those two systems are in no way related
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No, they're science builds. They use science skills, science consoles and don't use weapon slots.
If the game worked the way you think it should, the tactical boff cooldown skill in the skill tree should effect Feedback Pulse.
Daizen - Lvl 60 Tactical - Eclipse
Selia - Lvl 60 Tactical - Eclipse
I helped found the science channel, I know what i'm talking about. There is nothing wrong with tactical captains boosting all sources of damage and there never was.
Edit-
The disparity at the top for Captain types:
TAC 501,333.80 DPS
SCI 309,573.39
ENG 346,253.56
Would you agree that the magnitude at which TACs buff everything is questionable?
Not that they buff ALL damage, even damage that doesn't make sense, but that it's so much of a boost.
No, that's right. A big point of STO gameplay is that you're not pigeon-holed into using a particular ship to live out a particular role just because you've picked a particular class. Mix it up, always been that way and hopefully always will.
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I'm with you, but I don't think this community is hardcore enough. I want to nerf things so that EVERY STF takes a minimum of 45 minutes. And that there are multiple deaths per participant. And there's cascading death penalties. And overall I want this game made so challenging and so difficult that really only the "great" players can function in the missions anymore and all the n00bs and f33bs are left on ESD twiddling their thumbs in General Chat.
Who's with me?
Ditto. And you never know, if they cut down on all the stacking it may just help cut down the lag also.
Daizen - Lvl 60 Tactical - Eclipse
Selia - Lvl 60 Tactical - Eclipse
Not likely, as that's not what's causing lag in some systems.
And that is tweaking their damage abilities to be "weapons damage" instead of "all damage".
Solves pretty much most, if not all the problems with the Tactical captains without harming their original purpose.
All these secondary damage sources and procs that currently get buffed by Tac captain powers didn't even exist in the early days of STO!
Yeah, DPS in general is crazy high nowadays.
Incorrect but keep thinking that if you want. Ranged, cloth wearing, squishy damage dealers should always deal more damage than the character running around in full plate armor meant to be taking a few to the face in melee range.
This is why I'm kinda glad the community isn't directly involved in balance decisions because we get amazing gaps in actual understanding of how things are designed like "plate wearing characters in melee should do more than squish cloth wearing back line characters."