I was wondering....the designers did know that the ring structure on the Vulcan ships is basically their warp nacelle? So we're looking at....3 distinct warp nacelles on the romulan MMS; the ring and the two outer nacelles, right?
And? Some ships have odd numbers of nacelles, some have one, some have three, there's no canon rules against it. Only muesings of a designer long overruled by the arrival of TNG.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though. JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
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'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
And? Some ships have odd numbers of nacelles, some have one, some have three, there's no canon rules against it. Only muesings of a designer long overruled by the arrival of TNG.
My beef with the Romulan MMS is that they basically just took the ring which IS the warp nacelle of the Vulcan ship into the design that doesn't contribute to any possible performance of the ship other than warp flight. It come off as that they just include it because it look "cool" and they doesn't explain how it improve the ship or help with her mission profile in any way
And? Some ships have odd numbers of nacelles, some have one, some have three, there's no canon rules against it. Only muesings of a designer long overruled by the arrival of TNG.
My beef with the Romulan MMS is that they basically just took the ring which IS the warp nacelle of the Vulcan ship into the design that doesn't contribute to any possible performance of the ship other than warp flight. It come off as that they just include it because it look "cool" and they doesn't explain how it improve the ship or help with her mission profile in any way
its a space magic ship with swirling space magic in the ring... that aint good enough for ya?
And? Some ships have odd numbers of nacelles, some have one, some have three, there's no canon rules against it. Only muesings of a designer long overruled by the arrival of TNG.
My beef with the Romulan MMS is that they basically just took the ring which IS the warp nacelle of the Vulcan ship into the design that doesn't contribute to any possible performance of the ship other than warp flight. It come off as that they just include it because it look "cool" and they doesn't explain how it improve the ship or help with her mission profile in any way
There must be some advantage to the warp ring for the Vulcans to be still using it in the 24th century (the T'Pau type) and into the 31st century (the three ringed retrofitted dorsal carrier) however it's possible the RR don't fully trust it and have some auxiliary nacelles as backup. Maybe the singularity puts out too much power for the warp ring and the excess has to be siphoned off into the nacelles.
If those went through my mind in a few minutes they they most likely went through the minds of the designer who spent many hours modelling the things. Especially as those designers are Star Trek fans.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though. JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
And? Some ships have odd numbers of nacelles, some have one, some have three, there's no canon rules against it. Only muesings of a designer long overruled by the arrival of TNG.
My beef with the Romulan MMS is that they basically just took the ring which IS the warp nacelle of the Vulcan ship into the design that doesn't contribute to any possible performance of the ship other than warp flight. It come off as that they just include it because it look "cool" and they doesn't explain how it improve the ship or help with her mission profile in any way
It COULD be used as a stabilization element for advanced singularity core design.
You are stuck assuming that because it serves one purpose on a Vulcan ship, that it will serve the same purpose on a Romulan one.
Instead of making that assumption, maybe hypothesize what function it COULD have instead.
And? Some ships have odd numbers of nacelles, some have one, some have three, there's no canon rules against it. Only muesings of a designer long overruled by the arrival of TNG.
My beef with the Romulan MMS is that they basically just took the ring which IS the warp nacelle of the Vulcan ship into the design that doesn't contribute to any possible performance of the ship other than warp flight. It come off as that they just include it because it look "cool" and they doesn't explain how it improve the ship or help with her mission profile in any way
It's original use was to provide a way to generate a warp field, on top of whatever else the Vulcan's used it for. As we've seen in the shows you're able to do quite a bit beyond just going to warp with "just" a warp field and altering the technology to be able to generate other types of fields for a science vessel, since they have nacelles for that purpose, seems like something that would go a long ways towards improve a "multi mission" science vessel. Having a secondary deflector seems handy, so having a secondary field generator that isn't limited to warp fields seems even handier to do any number of scientific experiments and studies as well as having offensive uses in a universe coming off the Iconian conflict and now moving into one with the Tzenkethi.
And there are Federation ships with 4 nacelles that manage work in concert to generate a warp bubble. I'm really not seeing the problem with a ring nacelle and pontoon nacelles creating a coordinated warp bubble.
And? Some ships have odd numbers of nacelles, some have one, some have three, there's no canon rules against it. Only muesings of a designer long overruled by the arrival of TNG.
Back in the 1980s The Great Bird himself mandated to the TNG production crew that Federation ships have even numbers of nacelles. You can't get more canon than that.
The three-nacelle design of the Enterprise "dreadnought" at the end of the series was done after Gene's death. Tweaking the Great Bird's beak, as it were.
And? Some ships have odd numbers of nacelles, some have one, some have three, there's no canon rules against it. Only muesings of a designer long overruled by the arrival of TNG.
Back in the 1980s The Great Bird himself mandated to the TNG production crew that Federation ships have even numbers of nacelles. You can't get more canon than that.
The three-nacelle design of the Enterprise "dreadnought" at the end of the series was done after Gene's death. Tweaking the Great Bird's beak, as it were.
You can get far more canon that that. Canon. If it weren't onscreen it's not canon.
The Ambassador, Defiant, Freedom, all clearly prove those rules are not in-universe rules and the possibly canon Saladin and Hermes (seen in a display in TWoK) show that this pre-dated TNG.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though. JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
The Ambassador, Defiant, Freedom, all clearly prove those rules are not in-universe rules and the possibly canon Saladin and Hermes (seen in a display in TWoK) show that this pre-dated TNG.
I'm thinking the Kelvin is about all you have to say about on-screen examples of odd numbers of nacelles . Sorta hard to miss that one.
You don't even need two. So why would three be a problem, other than to try to discredit Franz Joseph's Federation Class dreadnought? A concept Star Trek's owners clearly embraced when creating their own TNG era dreadnought.
Star Trek ship design is driven by aesthetics and television shooting budgets, not consistent in-setting engineering constraints.
And? Some ships have odd numbers of nacelles, some have one, some have three, there's no canon rules against it. Only muesings of a designer long overruled by the arrival of TNG.
Back in the 1980s The Great Bird himself mandated to the TNG production crew that Federation ships have even numbers of nacelles. You can't get more canon than that.
The three-nacelle design of the Enterprise "dreadnought" at the end of the series was done after Gene's death. Tweaking the Great Bird's beak, as it were.
Yes and yet the Borg broke that rule while he was alive..
As far as 3 warp nacelle.. As far as I'm aware the middle warp nacelle was a double nacelle or support nacelle for power dependent on what lore you read and was not use to form the warp bubble. On top of that it was from a non-realized reality.
There are many alien craft that break the warp drive rules in startrek.. and many were while Gene was alive.
Over all though the Vulcan ships used warp cores and the Romulan use singularity cores.. so these new ships being a hybrid.. well the rules don't really apply to them.
Oh and just fyi the rules didn't just apply to federation ships.. and really more guidelines then rules.. as many were broken by the "man" himself.
The Ambassador, Defiant, Freedom, all clearly prove those rules are not in-universe rules and the possibly canon Saladin and Hermes (seen in a display in TWoK) show that this pre-dated TNG.
I'm thinking the Kelvin is about all you have to say about on-screen examples of odd numbers of nacelles . Sorta hard to miss that one.
You don't even need two. So why would three be a problem, other than to try to discredit Franz Joseph's Federation Class dreadnought? A concept Star Trek's owners clearly embraced when creating their own TNG era dreadnought.
Star Trek ship design is driven by aesthetics and television shooting budgets, not consistent in-setting engineering constraints.
You'd think it'd be hard to miss it but I did .
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though. JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
So in the hours spent running Omega games you come up with all sorts of crazy conspiracy theories.
I kept on wondering why the Romulan ships had a Vulcan aesthetic to them. I mean they obviously had an in-game explanation, but something else was bugging me about it. Then it suddenly hit me. The Feds currently have everything that previously made the other factions unique. Battlecruisers, carriers, raiders, cloak/battle cloak, etc. However, there's still one huge elephant in the room item that Feds haven't gotten their grubby hands on: Singularity Cores. However, now that the Romulans are collaborating with the Vulcans it would give an in-game explanation for the Feds to get a Singularity Core ship.
T6 Vulcan ships with Singularity Cores. You heard it here first.
. . . And this is why I shouldn't play Omega games for 4 hours straight.
Actually, I wouldn't mind a Vulcan sister science ship to the Romulan Ships that could slot a warp or singular core. No Cloak of any sort of course. No Dual Cannons either.
But I would object to being opened up beyond that.
Now don't get me wrong, it bugs the hell out of me thats feds have Battlecruisers, but I wouldn't object to an Andorian Battlecruiser.
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Now don't get me wrong, it bugs the hell out of me thats feds have Battlecruisers, but I wouldn't object to an Andorian Battlecruiser.
Well before TNG era and someone stating that 'Starfleet doesn't build war ships' we had vessels like the Excelsior listed in multiple licenses sources as a 'Battleship' then comes the Defiant, dedicated pure combat vessel. So its not really that much of a reach to see them again, especially since they debuted in the Klink war STO started.
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I mean say what you will bout a Galaxy Class in combat, the fact is if you removed all the non-starfleet personnel on one(ie the spouses and children) as well as the class rooms and other facilities for them, you have a lot of wasted space. Shrink it down, pull out a couple extra science labs, and you have a Battle-cruiser.
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Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
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its a space magic ship with swirling space magic in the ring... that aint good enough for ya?
There must be some advantage to the warp ring for the Vulcans to be still using it in the 24th century (the T'Pau type) and into the 31st century (the three ringed retrofitted dorsal carrier) however it's possible the RR don't fully trust it and have some auxiliary nacelles as backup. Maybe the singularity puts out too much power for the warp ring and the excess has to be siphoned off into the nacelles.
If those went through my mind in a few minutes they they most likely went through the minds of the designer who spent many hours modelling the things. Especially as those designers are Star Trek fans.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
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It COULD be used as a stabilization element for advanced singularity core design.
You are stuck assuming that because it serves one purpose on a Vulcan ship, that it will serve the same purpose on a Romulan one.
Instead of making that assumption, maybe hypothesize what function it COULD have instead.
It's original use was to provide a way to generate a warp field, on top of whatever else the Vulcan's used it for. As we've seen in the shows you're able to do quite a bit beyond just going to warp with "just" a warp field and altering the technology to be able to generate other types of fields for a science vessel, since they have nacelles for that purpose, seems like something that would go a long ways towards improve a "multi mission" science vessel. Having a secondary deflector seems handy, so having a secondary field generator that isn't limited to warp fields seems even handier to do any number of scientific experiments and studies as well as having offensive uses in a universe coming off the Iconian conflict and now moving into one with the Tzenkethi.
Back in the 1980s The Great Bird himself mandated to the TNG production crew that Federation ships have even numbers of nacelles. You can't get more canon than that.
The three-nacelle design of the Enterprise "dreadnought" at the end of the series was done after Gene's death. Tweaking the Great Bird's beak, as it were.
You can get far more canon that that. Canon. If it weren't onscreen it's not canon.
The Ambassador, Defiant, Freedom, all clearly prove those rules are not in-universe rules and the possibly canon Saladin and Hermes (seen in a display in TWoK) show that this pre-dated TNG.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
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Couldn't the Ring be the Romulan way of stabalizing that technology with their singularity cores?
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I'm thinking the Kelvin is about all you have to say about on-screen examples of odd numbers of nacelles . Sorta hard to miss that one.
You don't even need two. So why would three be a problem, other than to try to discredit Franz Joseph's Federation Class dreadnought? A concept Star Trek's owners clearly embraced when creating their own TNG era dreadnought.
Star Trek ship design is driven by aesthetics and television shooting budgets, not consistent in-setting engineering constraints.
More importantly, it appears to be the Vulcan way of stabilizing warp travel of all sorts. And since they helped out on these designs...
Yes and yet the Borg broke that rule while he was alive..
As far as 3 warp nacelle.. As far as I'm aware the middle warp nacelle was a double nacelle or support nacelle for power dependent on what lore you read and was not use to form the warp bubble. On top of that it was from a non-realized reality.
There are many alien craft that break the warp drive rules in startrek.. and many were while Gene was alive.
Over all though the Vulcan ships used warp cores and the Romulan use singularity cores.. so these new ships being a hybrid.. well the rules don't really apply to them.
Oh and just fyi the rules didn't just apply to federation ships.. and really more guidelines then rules.. as many were broken by the "man" himself.
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You'd think it'd be hard to miss it but I did .
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
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I kept on wondering why the Romulan ships had a Vulcan aesthetic to them. I mean they obviously had an in-game explanation, but something else was bugging me about it. Then it suddenly hit me. The Feds currently have everything that previously made the other factions unique. Battlecruisers, carriers, raiders, cloak/battle cloak, etc. However, there's still one huge elephant in the room item that Feds haven't gotten their grubby hands on: Singularity Cores. However, now that the Romulans are collaborating with the Vulcans it would give an in-game explanation for the Feds to get a Singularity Core ship.
T6 Vulcan ships with Singularity Cores. You heard it here first.
. . . And this is why I shouldn't play Omega games for 4 hours straight.
But I would object to being opened up beyond that.
Now don't get me wrong, it bugs the hell out of me thats feds have Battlecruisers, but I wouldn't object to an Andorian Battlecruiser.
Well before TNG era and someone stating that 'Starfleet doesn't build war ships' we had vessels like the Excelsior listed in multiple licenses sources as a 'Battleship' then comes the Defiant, dedicated pure combat vessel. So its not really that much of a reach to see them again, especially since they debuted in the Klink war STO started.
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I mean say what you will bout a Galaxy Class in combat, the fact is if you removed all the non-starfleet personnel on one(ie the spouses and children) as well as the class rooms and other facilities for them, you have a lot of wasted space. Shrink it down, pull out a couple extra science labs, and you have a Battle-cruiser.
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I think had they known it was kirks ship, they wouldve hailed and surrendered lol