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phenomenaut01phenomenaut01 Member Posts: 714 Arc User
TL;DR version: Please add in the ability to search the Exchange by faction specific items, and expand the search limit cap from 400 items to 1,000 (or beyond).

For the past few days, I've noticed that the price on Federation prisoners has dropped on the exchange to around 1k or less.

This creates a problem for me when I am playing my Klingon character.

Here is the reason:

Every day I log into my KDF character and set up my Doff and Admiralty missions for the day. There are several missions that I do daily that require prisoners to run, and certain prisoners make the odds of critical success - and in some cases, ANY success - greater, so part of my daily routine is heading to the Exchange to purchase these particular Klingon faction prisoners.

This is a time consuming task, as I have to search through pages and pages of Federation prisoners to find them. Having the ability to limit a search to items and personnel that are "faction" specific would greatly streamline not just my daily searches, but also searches across the game. However, there is another flaw in the Exchange that also makes this daily process difficult.

The unintended side effect of the lowering of the prices for Federation prisoners is that it is has not only created even more items and pages that I have to search through, but since there is an item search limit cap of 400 items, the prisoners that I am looking for are generally not coming up in my search as they are generally priced within the 11k to 19k energy credit range, and the 400 item search cap cuts off the search at around 9k.

Likewise, when I attempt to search "By descending value" - which essentially has me coming at the issue backwards - the 400 item cap cuts off at around 20k energy credits.

So the items that I'm looking for are stuck in that "sweet spot" that cannot be view in any way in the existing search because of the current limitations of the Exchange search function. In other words, these items that players have placed up for sale have effectively been removed from the market because of the "hole" that this flaw in the system creates.

This issue should to be corrected as soon it is convenient to do so.

Thank you for your time.

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    darkimpul5edarkimpul5e Member Posts: 3 Arc User
    Should be an option at the bottom of the exchange window you can toggle to show only usable items. Hopefully solves your problem.
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    alcyoneserenealcyoneserene Member Posts: 2,412 Arc User
    The option doesn't work for some items, prisoners being one of them.
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    salazarrazesalazarraze Member Posts: 3,794 Arc User
    edited February 2017
    Here is the reason:

    Every day I log into my KDF character and set up my Doff and Admiralty missions for the day. There are several missions that I do daily that require prisoners to run, and certain prisoners make the odds of critical success - and in some cases, ANY success - greater, so part of my daily routine is heading to the Exchange to purchase these particular Klingon faction prisoners.
    You can already fix this yourself.
    The option doesn't work for some items, prisoners being one of them.
    Here's a picture. It definitely works.

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    alcyoneserenealcyoneserene Member Posts: 2,412 Arc User
    I checked again and that option seems to be working. There are times when it bugs out and doesn't separate prisoners by the 2 factions.
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    theanothernametheanothername Member Posts: 1,504 Arc User
    Reward Boxes could use some sub-categories:

    - Starships
    - Shuttles
    - Outfits/Uniforms
    - Personnel (Doffs/Boffs)
    - Misc.
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    garaks31garaks31 Member Posts: 2,845 Arc User
    search option for do's with specific abilities\traits would also be nice
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    phenomenaut01phenomenaut01 Member Posts: 714 Arc User
    Here's a picture. It definitely works.

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    Great googly moogly....how have I never seen that before? Boy is my face red. That pretty much solves the issue then. Thanks!

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    risian4risian4 Member Posts: 3,711 Arc User
    I checked again and that option seems to be working. There are times when it bugs out and doesn't separate prisoners by the 2 factions.

    You're right though, it doesn't always work. I've had it happen very often that that filter option didn't work.

    Also, some categories are broken. Kit modules being one of them IIRC.
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    salazarrazesalazarraze Member Posts: 3,794 Arc User
    edited February 2017
    I checked again and that option seems to be working. There are times when it bugs out and doesn't separate prisoners by the 2 factions.
    I've noticed that what you described happens sometimes just after huge updates when there's lots of exchange lag and a bunch of more players are logged in than normal.

    When you see "TRIBBLE" in my posts, it's because I manually typed "TRIBBLE" and censored myself.
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    jaguarskxjaguarskx Member Posts: 5,945 Arc User
    The option doesn't work for some items, prisoners being one of them.

    My KDF captains purchase Federation prisoners every day I play STO. The "only show usable items" does in fact work... at least it has been working on a daily basis ever since February 2014 when I created my 1st KDF captain.
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    phenomenaut01phenomenaut01 Member Posts: 714 Arc User
    Right...so the "only show usable items" does NOT work for me when searching for prisoners. At least on the default setting of "sort by ascending price". It does work on some of the other settings, like "Sort by Ascending VALUE" and "sort by Descending price per unit". So it's hit or miss apparently.

    So the problem is still solved...sort of.

    The more I thought about it, I remembered trying to use it years ago, and never getting it to work, which is probably why I never tried it again and completely forgot that it even existed.

    I stand by my request that they remove the odd "400 item" cap though. Why does that even exist?
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    phenomenaut01phenomenaut01 Member Posts: 714 Arc User
    Also...oddly the various search settings, when used with the "only show usable items" seems to not be showing everything available. One search option "Sort by Ascending price per unit" only shows around 20 items, while "sort by Descending price per unit" shows around 200 items. That's a wildly different number of items, considering those search parameters should basically show the same things, except in a different order.

    So obviously the whole thing could use some work.
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    arionisaarionisa Member Posts: 1,421 Arc User
    Also...oddly the various search settings, when used with the "only show usable items" seems to not be showing everything available. One search option "Sort by Ascending price per unit" only shows around 20 items, while "sort by Descending price per unit" shows around 200 items. That's a wildly different number of items, considering those search parameters should basically show the same things, except in a different order.

    So obviously the whole thing could use some work.

    The reason it does that it that it still has the 400 item cap in effect. It sorts the first 400 items, but only shows you the usable items out of that first 400. So basically if the first 400 items only have 20 KDF usable items, you will only see 20 items. Yet another reason to remove the 400 item cap.

    If it would be easier to do, another possible "fix" would be to have it show the next block of 400, then the next etc.

    I had the same problem(s) trying to find ships. Sorting by ascending, the list ended at ships going for @7M ec, sorting by descending, the list ended at ships going for 150M plus, meaning every ship for sale priced between 7M and 150M would not show up. Having already bought one of everything below 7M, and not willing to spend 150M+ on a ship just to help fill out admiralty cards, that meant a lot of ships that would have been bought, if only the exchange would have actually shown them. It was during that time that I realized that selecting only usable items does not remove non usable items from the search, it just doesn't show them to you.

    BTW, there is a work around on that, extremely time consuming but it works. As all of the ships come in a special requisition pack, a search for "special requisition pack - x', with "x" being every letter in the alphabet ..... one at a time..... will eventually show you everything. Well, except for "m", which shows you every mirror universe ship, of which there are more than 400 thee last I looked. So, when you get to the "M"s, you have to use "special requisition pack - mirror universe x", again changing "x" to each letter of the alphabet. So basically, to browse and see every ship in the exchange requires 52 searches....

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    salazarrazesalazarraze Member Posts: 3,794 Arc User
    edited February 2017
    Right...so the "only show usable items" does NOT work for me when searching for prisoners. At least on the default setting of "sort by ascending price". It does work on some of the other settings, like "Sort by Ascending VALUE" and "sort by Descending price per unit". So it's hit or miss apparently.

    So the problem is still solved...sort of.

    The more I thought about it, I remembered trying to use it years ago, and never getting it to work, which is probably why I never tried it again and completely forgot that it even existed.

    I stand by my request that they remove the odd "400 item" cap though. Why does that even exist?
    That's odd because I literally took that screen shot right after reading your original post. Make sure you have "rank" and "quality" search settings turned to any.

    EDIT: Turns out to be wrong info on my part.

    When you see "TRIBBLE" in my posts, it's because I manually typed "TRIBBLE" and censored myself.
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    salazarrazesalazarraze Member Posts: 3,794 Arc User
    edited February 2017
    arionisa wrote: »
    Also...oddly the various search settings, when used with the "only show usable items" seems to not be showing everything available. One search option "Sort by Ascending price per unit" only shows around 20 items, while "sort by Descending price per unit" shows around 200 items. That's a wildly different number of items, considering those search parameters should basically show the same things, except in a different order.

    So obviously the whole thing could use some work.

    The reason it does that it that it still has the 400 item cap in effect. It sorts the first 400 items, but only shows you the usable items out of that first 400. So basically if the first 400 items only have 20 KDF usable items, you will only see 20 items. Yet another reason to remove the 400 item cap.
    I don't think that's correct. If you look at my 1 day old picture above, it shows 1-21 out of 400 "usable" kdf prisoners.

    EDIT: It is indeed correct. My mistake.
    arionisa wrote: »
    If it would be easier to do, another possible "fix" would be to have it show the next block of 400, then the next etc.
    This sounds like a good easy fix.

    If there's any "good" news for you OP, admiralty generates a metric ton of prisoners so players are usually adding them to the exchange every minute or so. You should also be able to maintain a solid number of prisoners on standby by simply doing admiralty every day.
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    warpangelwarpangel Member Posts: 9,427 Arc User
    edited February 2017
    arionisa wrote: »
    Also...oddly the various search settings, when used with the "only show usable items" seems to not be showing everything available. One search option "Sort by Ascending price per unit" only shows around 20 items, while "sort by Descending price per unit" shows around 200 items. That's a wildly different number of items, considering those search parameters should basically show the same things, except in a different order.

    So obviously the whole thing could use some work.

    The reason it does that it that it still has the 400 item cap in effect. It sorts the first 400 items, but only shows you the usable items out of that first 400. So basically if the first 400 items only have 20 KDF usable items, you will only see 20 items. Yet another reason to remove the 400 item cap.
    No, it's a reason to fix the usable item filter so it actuallly searches for usable items instead of just hiding the unusable ones.

    If anything, the 400 result cap is ridiculously high and the exchange performance could be greatly improved by reducing it.

    They should revamp the exchange interface with proper search parameters (among other things), so it wouldn't be necessary to manually go through several pages of results to find what you want.
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    berginsbergins Member Posts: 3,453 Arc User
    edited February 2017
    The ability to search for various key words in no particular order would be very helpful.

    Say I want an AP beam array with [CrtD][Dmg][Pen]. The way it is now, if I don't care about the Mk value, to find the best price, I need to run a search for "Antiproton Beam Array Mk '#' [CrtD] [Dmg] [Pen], and plug each Mk# in for '#'. That's at least 13 searches, 2-14. Even in this example, I'd have to run the search again in the first place because I put 2 spaces between [CrtD] & [Dmg].

    If we had a search function that just picked out key words, I could enter "Antiproton Array [CrtD] [Dmg] [Pen]" and get my results in one search. Even if you had to use a "wildcard" character, "Antiproton Beam Array * [CrtD] [Dmg] [Pen]" would reduce the number of searches you'd have to do to get the required results. This type of search might be more intensive than the way it works now, but might that extra load be made up for with the reduced need to do redundant searches?

    Remember, this example is for a pretty specific item, but what if you are looking for something in a little bit broader category? What about if you want any Mirror Universe Science Ship? Right now, you can punch in "Mirror Universe" and wade thought the escorts and cruisers too, or you can be more specific in the naming of each search. Being able to search "Mirror Science" would reduce the overall load of searches the engine would have to handle.
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    evilmark444evilmark444 Member Posts: 6,950 Arc User
    Biggest exchange improvement i'd like is to be able to type "Phas beam arr crtd" to search for all phaser arrays with the [crtd] mod, instead of having to completely spell out "Phaser beam array mk xii [crtd" and even then only getting results where the first mod is [crtd]
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    meimeitoomeimeitoo Member Posts: 12,594 Arc User
    What we need is a regex engine for Exchange searches. :)
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    szimszim Member Posts: 2,503 Arc User
    Exchange is in a good place, they shouldn't monkey around with it.

    The history of STO has been the history of the exchange getting broken and then fixed and then broken again and fixed again in lots of weird ways. It's fine the way it is now.

    I wouldn't say 'good place' but it's good enough. You can find anything if you know the tricks. And it's true, every time they try to "fix" the exchange they end up making it even more buggy.

    But in comparison to other games this exchange is in a bad state. Tabs like 'recipies' which haven't contained anything for years. Items like boosts which are not listed under any tab at all. Various tabs like 'kit modules' which should be listed under personal equipment rather than being its own primary tab. Options like rarity and and level requirement that won't let you search for anything if you don't chose a specific tab at the same time. The lack of functionality if you want to search for anything else than the name of the item (say doff trait, boff ability etc).
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    warpangelwarpangel Member Posts: 9,427 Arc User
    sophlogimo wrote: »
    Many, many more search options could certainly be implemented: Search per faction. Seach per desired trait (boff or doff). Search for ship packs. The list could go on. We are all used to much better search options in every online store outside of the game these days. It cannot be that hrd to make a better exchange.
    Exactly.
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    tempus64tempus64 Member Posts: 806 Arc User
    I would just be happy if what was displayed was what was actually there. i.e. Not having to wait a bit or drag your cursor over the listing for the "real" items to be displayed.
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    cidjackcidjack Member Posts: 2,017 Arc User
    I do like the idea of being able to see 1,000. It would make it a bit easier to see if worth purchasing in mega bulk.
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