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A lot of people don't seem to realize just how much time passes in game time during story arcs, which is mostly the fault of STO being a game, and not really being able to properly show time scale since that would be boring.
So, based on what we do know about how long the story takes, I have extrapolated about how much time most of the early arcs cover.
-We know that its 18 months from the start of the game to the end of the Borg Arc
-This would give us about 540 days
-There are(not counting the tutorial which only covers a day or two itself), there are 60 missions total in this time frame, from “Welcome to Earth Spacedock”, the first mission in the Klingon War arc, to “Fluid Dynamics”, the last mission in the Borg Advance arc
-This would mean that, on average, each mission takes 9 days apart from each other(obviously some missions immediately follow others, but this is just an average)
Going by this math
-The Klingon War(20 missions which includes the Specters sub arc) = 180 days, or about 6 months
-Yesterday's War(First 3 of 4 missions) = 27 days, aka, just under a month
-Wasteland(6 missions) = 54 days, or nearly 2 months
-Romulan Mystery + Cloaked Intentions(10 missions) = 90 days, aka 3months
-Cardassian Struggle + 2800(10 mission) = 90 days, aka 3 months
-Breen Invasion(5 missions) = 45 days, aka 1.5 months
-Borg Advance(5 missions = 45 days, aka 1.5 months
Now, a lot of this would just be travel time, and ship maintenance, and resupplying, and stuff like that, but these arcs, in general, would be far longer then they actually seem to be when we account for how much time passes.
So, based on what we do know about how long the story takes, I have extrapolated about how much time most of the early arcs cover.
-We know that its 18 months from the start of the game to the end of the Borg Arc
-This would give us about 540 days
-There are(not counting the tutorial which only covers a day or two itself), there are 60 missions total in this time frame, from “Welcome to Earth Spacedock”, the first mission in the Klingon War arc, to “Fluid Dynamics”, the last mission in the Borg Advance arc
-This would mean that, on average, each mission takes 9 days apart from each other(obviously some missions immediately follow others, but this is just an average)
Going by this math
-The Klingon War(20 missions which includes the Specters sub arc) = 180 days, or about 6 months
-Yesterday's War(First 3 of 4 missions) = 27 days, aka, just under a month
-Wasteland(6 missions) = 54 days, or nearly 2 months
-Romulan Mystery + Cloaked Intentions(10 missions) = 90 days, aka 3months
-Cardassian Struggle + 2800(10 mission) = 90 days, aka 3 months
-Breen Invasion(5 missions) = 45 days, aka 1.5 months
-Borg Advance(5 missions = 45 days, aka 1.5 months
Now, a lot of this would just be travel time, and ship maintenance, and resupplying, and stuff like that, but these arcs, in general, would be far longer then they actually seem to be when we account for how much time passes.
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Actually, depending on where you are going and according to canon it would take nearly 2 years to cross Federation space. I have forgotten what Warp Factor was specified, but I think it's Warp 6, which is standard cruise. Even at Warp 9.975 it would still take a considerable amount of time if there was no transwarp option. Kind of puts things into perspective when players are complaining about a 3 minute journey in-game!
I once crossed (in a straight line) across alpha and beta quadrants at Warp 0.5. Took me about 3 hours to cover about 10 - 12 sectors (20 lightyears across, took me roughly 17 minutes per sector).
I am already planning a trip to cover each sector in the game map once the alpha quadrant update is release. I am estimating it will take me 20 - 24 hours of ingame time to do it
Most missions that are non-Borg versions aren't really in anymore, mind, but it's there. The 'modular rebulid' for a lot of ships to explain customization would probably speed up repair times if you can pop out a phaser bank for a working spare, and then repair the bank for the next starship respawning.
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How do you know that it's 18 months from the Tutorial to the end of the Borg Advance? I'm not doubting you, I'm just curious how you determined that.
I know that the game (Tutorial) starts off in the year 2409, and that, according to the Delta Recruitment Event, by "Cold Storage" the year has progressed to June 2410.
The game launched in February 2010, and if we assume that in-game it was also February in 2409, then we could say that roughly 16 months passed from Tutorial to "Cold Storage". If your 18 months is accurate, then the Borg Advance arc would take place over roughly a 2 month period to get to your 18 month timeframe.
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The only hard dates are vague. Romulan tutorial says January of 2409, possibly even early January, I don't recall exactly, and that it's 2 weeks before the Borg attack on Vega, so the Starfleet tutorial takes place between January 15th and maybe January 29th, for liberal values of early. Aside from that, we have the vague reference to June of 2410 in Cold Storage for Delta Recruits. So for Romulans it could be almost 18 months to the day, or as low as 16.5 months, and for Starfleet it's somewhere in the 16 to 17.5 month range.
Oh, and the Klingon tutorial is obviously much later, as the next time that they enter into orbit over Qo'noS after the tutorial in The Hunt is On, it is specifically stated that there are now Republic allied ships around, meaning that this is presumably after Turning Point, which has to be at least a little while into the year. How much later? Maybe sometime in March? I couldn't say.
About the only other reference that we can go by that I can recall is Jarok's comment that Sela had disappeared 'last year" in What's Left Behind, clearly putting Cutting the Cord in 2409, so the year break happened somewhere after that. I am of the opinion that it's right after that, so that all of the Terran/True Way/New Link missions, the 2800 series and the Cold War series take place in 2410. I seem to recall mention of a dedication plaque for the Enterprise F that read 2410, and if that's true, then it dovetails nicely into the New Year falling somewhere soon after Cutting the Cord.
OK, I knew the 18 month reference sounded familiar and right, but couldn't place exactly where I'd heard it. If that's true, and it's a reference to the Delta Recruit temporal incursion, then that would mean that it's actually 18 months to the end of "Cold Storage" and not the end of the Borg Advance arc.
STO launched February 2, 2010 with the in-game year given as 2409. I'd forgotten about the time references from the Romulan Tutorial of January 2409 and two weeks before the Borg invasion of Vega. That actually could confirm that the FED Tutorial and Vega takes place in February 2409, mirroring STO's launch of February 2010, and putting the Romulan Tutorial in mid January 2409.
It's odd that you mention the Enterprise F having been launched in 2410. The Odyssey class launched in 2409, and I just assumed that the Enterprise F would've launched the same year. But the Enterprise F shows up for the first time during "Boldly They Rode" at the end of The Cardassian Struggle arc, which could actually be in 2410, given that the Breen arc immediately follows and we know that it ends in June 2410.
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No, the game starts in the year 2409, and "stayed" 2409 for the first 5 years of the game's existence. It wasn't until 2015's Delta Recruitment Event that we got an in-game acknowledgement that time had progressed to 2410.
It's apparent now, though, that it turned 2410 at some point during missions that we originally thought were set in 2409. But as far as I know, there's not been any indication that we're progressing to 2411 any time soon.
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The calendar was first confirmed as having moved to 2410 during the opening cutscene of Surface Tension, but the Delta Recruit addendum to Cold Storage places that at June 2410, and there's no way that Surface Tension takes place before that, given that we haven't even met Cooper yet during Cold Storage as it stands now, and he's kind of important to the story of Surface Tension.
I decided to look it up, and the image that I found here of the dedication plaque gives a stardate of 87661.4 for the 1701-F's dedication. There are a number of slightly-different stardate calculators out there that give ranges from August of 2410 to 2422 for that date. I haven't found one that places it in 2409.
Well, even the August 2410 date cannot be correct. The Enterprise-F would've launched just before "Boldly They Rode" as Shon had just been given command. And we know that "Boldy They Rode" occurs well before "Cold Storage" which has been established to have occured in June 2410.
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You forget the wonder of transwarp tech , it used to take a year or two at warp factor 6 WATCH OUT!! now they have transwarp tech we can do do it in 2 days ( ok i did a play on mccoys genesis speech )
It was Surface Tension that aired in April 2014 that had the time progress to 2410. The Delta Recruitment event was a year later.
And starkaos is right. We already knew we were in 2410 when Surface Tension arrived.
I know full and well about the Fleet Starbase Wall of Enterprises, thanks. It doesn't hold with the Stardate is what I'm saying. You can also say the same about canon Stardates, at least at times. Some of those Stardate calculator sites even go into how certain ones are off, and the 1000 units per year don't always add up, which is likely where certain differing assumptions come in that give us a range of 12 years or more by the early 25th century.
By the way, if I'm never to trust their Stardates, how am I to trust their Earth dates? Truth is that you really can't. For amusement's sake, go look at the dates for the Iconian War blogs. Those things are all over 2410, from well before the June date for Cold Storage to way late in the year. Some of them even go backwards, and are dated before blogs that clearly would have happened prior to them, both in blog release order, and in points of in-game reference order. It's almost as if both canon Trek and STO just sort of make things up as they go along.
Ok, I stand corrected.
So, the release of "Surface Tension" in April 2014 is the first time we learn that time has progressed from 2409 to 2410 in-game. BUT we learn from 2015's Delta Recruitment that it was June 2410 during "Cold Storage." Non-DR characters don't get the cutscene that makes this time reference, so players who don't have Delta Recruits wouldn't be aware of the year's progression until "Surface Tension". Do I have that right now? And we're postulating that the new year (2410) began sometime or directly after "Cutting the Cord," yes?
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Why exactly are you hanging around, with 170 posts, on the forums for said game?
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Well, obviously that's all screwed up. If for no other reason than I cannot believe, no matter how good the combined engineering efforts of Starfleet, the KDF, the Romulan Republic, and the Krenim are, they could NOT have built the Annorax in less than 23 days.
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To be clear, I don't mean that your calculations are incorrect. We ARE guesstimating based on what "concrete" information we have. No, I mean that Cryptic's timeline for the story is implausible. "A Day on the Farm" from the Romulan Tutorial takes place in January 2409, the earliest known setting of STO. And now, "Of Signs and Portents" will advance us to 2411. So, everything that has happened so far takes place in the course of 2 years?! To quote phrase, "Inconceivable!"
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Yes, if happening concurrently, but since your captain is present at all of these events (outside of the Faction exclusive ones), that's what makes it implausible.
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