Lets be clear, the reason they didnt make a KDF/ROM vengeance was simply lack of material. It was a stretch just to get them ships in the lockbox and one of those was even an original design. Art is likely the most expensive and time-consuming aspect of any new content so buulding four models vs two was already twice the work. Six would've just been throwing money away.
Well lets be clear then. They had the choice to make 2 ships and let everyone play with the same ones. They chose to put up faction restrictions instead. That meant they had to do 6 ships, which they failed. Its entirely their own fault.
Spartan has a very good point. They have in the past updated models that were not necessarily tied to promotions. Sometimes they update things because it has value beyond asking us for more money.
Now if the 'windows glitch on the non-existent secondary hull' image is just that - a glitch - I'd hazard a guess it will be a free update. Given that T6 Unicorns are supra-ultra-rare, and never ever happen, who's to say we wont see more T6 Temporal Light Cruisers/Escorts/Dreadnaughts as prizes for R&D boxes? I am very ok if they do it.
We already have many pieces in place for this in-game: 22nd Century Uniforms, Porthos, and now a re-skinned NX. We also have playable Xindi ship models already built if they need NPC ships.
Well, around late February would be just about right for the next Lockbox. That means an updated Infinity just before, this time containing the contents of the Kelvin Lockbox. Good. Finally will be getting the prices on the KT Constitution into the typical range for Infinity releases and not these artificially high prices now. They're just trying to capitalize on Constitution fever with the Infinity R&D Promotion.
The T6 NX will have a new updated Grappler Console, which will be as powerful as the Fesarius' Pilot Ship's Tractor.
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l really don't know what l'm about to say, except l have a feeling about it.
That l must repeat the words that come without my knowledge.'
I stand corrected. However, I would note that even in this case the re-skin did accompany the ship going on general release, rather than being a steam exclusive; I submit that the point that reskins are linked to new sales stands. Not that this is any kind of dig, I'm just really hoping that a T6 NX is on the cards.
If they updated the model, it's because they're making a new ship to sell.
I think this one is going to hit the Zen store. Though the NX Enterprise is a hero ship, it is not a beloved, much-demanded icon like the T6 Connies are. Not enough people would care enough about this ship to have it be a money-maker as an R&D or regular lockbox grand prize.
That depends. If they give it its own unique NX bridge (and they should, as it's a lockbox ship), then I will definitely buy one. Otherwise, eh.
T6 wouldn't make sense. It shouldn't be able to compete with other T6 ships. I wouldn't mind a retrofit to T2 or T3, but not 6.
We got several T6 TOS ships, not to mention a T'varo and a Daedalus.....1 ship as older as the NX and one slightly newer. So, make the NX a T6, to hell with 'making sense' that the Comic Book Guy wannabes whinge about.
I have a captain flying a Tholian dreadnought under a Federation flag and another with a full-blown parallel universe Vengeance. I'm pretty sure if you're willing to spend a little money, they're willing to let you have the story you want to enjoy as you zip around the universe that we share.
Its just as absurd to believe the only new ships being manufactured by every species in the galaxy all neatly fit in a single performance band called "T6" as to freak out that the player who wants to use STO to experience a story more aligned with one of the TV shows (instead of STO's native setting) is allowed endgame stats. If somebody wants to mentally edit their way through the missions so that they're rockin' the new frontier in an NX, more power to them.
T6 wouldn't make sense. It shouldn't be able to compete with other T6 ships. I wouldn't mind a retrofit to T2 or T3, but not 6.
We got several T6 TOS ships, not to mention a T'varo and a Daedalus.....1 ship as older as the NX and one slightly newer. So, make the NX a T6, to hell with 'making sense' that the Comic Book Guy wannabes whinge about.
This. You can also include the Vulcan D'kyr, Klingon Somraw and Koro't'inga as ENT-era ships playable at T5U. Endgame ship consistency pretty much went out of the window in 2012 with the introduction of Fleet ships. I personally feel that 22c or 23c Fed ships are less immersion-breaking than the scads of lockbox non-Fed ships which hover around ESD, but that's the meta we've got.
Practically all 22nd century ships except the NX are already available as T5 or T6 (and without temporal shenanigans). The ship sailed long ago on the "wouldn't make sense" -argument.
Practically all 22nd century ships except the NX are already available as T5 or T6 (and without temporal shenanigans). The ship sailed long ago on the "wouldn't make sense" -argument.
And all of those ships are alien ships that don't have the same design sensibilities as Starfleet. Why bother with changing a good ship design when it does everything they need? So while the ship looks like its from the 22nd Century, all its internal components are 25th Century technology. Creating a 22nd Century Starfleet ship with 25th Century technology just doesn't make sense unless it is a Temporal variant.
It would be like Ford deciding to create a 2017 Model T Ford with carbon fiber, hybrid engine, onboard computer system, GPS, cameras, motion sensors, and other modern features that today's luxury cars come with. It might be interesting as a concept car, but it will never be available to the public.
However, a 26th Century Starfleet ship designed to look like a 22nd Century Starfleet ship that operates in the 22nd Century does make sense.
However, a 26th Century Starfleet ship designed to look like a 22nd Century Starfleet ship that operates in the 22nd Century does make sense.
While I can't recall seeing it written down, I always assumed that the logic was the 26c ships using their molecular reconstruction capabilities to disguise themselves when operating in the 23c. That's why they can't use the Pioneer interior.
The OP does not know any more than anyone else about whether or not there is such a ship. He is a pretentious know-it-all. He posted here on this topic to make himself look like one of the Big Kids. The Upgraded NX on Tribble is nice. But he is just as much in the dark as the rest of us.
If he told me the sky is blue and the grass is green, I'd go outside and check. I'd also get someone from the FBI Crime Lab to independently verfiy the facts.
A six year old boy and his starship. Living the dream.
The OP does not know any more than anyone else about whether or not there is such a ship. He is a pretentious know-it-all. He posted here on this topic to make himself look like one of the Big Kids.
That feels unnecessarily harsh. The ship was seen on Tribble. Working from the assumption the Devs didn't make that one just to troll the forum, I say it's entirely reasonable to conclude a NX class ship is incoming, any time soon. And that it won't be T3, else no one would buy it.
That feels unnecessarily harsh. The ship was seen on Tribble. Working from the assumption the Devs didn't make that one just to troll the forum, I say it's entirely reasonable to conclude a NX class ship is incoming, any time soon. And that it won't be T3, else no one would buy it.
Did not post about anything other than the OP's opinion. He was dead wrong in the thread Jodarkrider closed. Wrong enough he tried to cover up his mistake by removing what he posted. No reason to think he isn't wrong here. Just sayin'.
A six year old boy and his starship. Living the dream.
That feels unnecessarily harsh. The ship was seen on Tribble. Working from the assumption the Devs didn't make that one just to troll the forum, I say it's entirely reasonable to conclude a NX class ship is incoming, any time soon. And that it won't be T3, else no one would buy it.
Did not post about anything other than the OP's opinion. He was dead wrong in the thread Jodarkrider closed. Wrong enough he tried to cover up his mistake by removing what he posted. No reason to think he isn't wrong here. Just sayin'.
I must have missed that thread. But if the NX vid was real, it seems likely we'll get an updated NX ship soon.
Practically all 22nd century ships except the NX are already available as T5 or T6 (and without temporal shenanigans). The ship sailed long ago on the "wouldn't make sense" -argument.
And all of those ships are alien ships that don't have the same design sensibilities as Starfleet. Why bother with changing a good ship design when it does everything they need? So while the ship looks like its from the 22nd Century, all its internal components are 25th Century technology. Creating a 22nd Century Starfleet ship with 25th Century technology just doesn't make sense unless it is a Temporal variant.
Everyone else making replicas of old ships magically makes more sense than Starfleet doing it? You know how ridiculous that sounds?
However, a 26th Century Starfleet ship designed to look like a 22nd Century Starfleet ship that operates in the 22nd Century does make sense.
Except you can't operate in the 22nd century. Just like you can't operate in the 23rd with the other "temporal" ships.
Everyone else making replicas of old ships magically makes more sense than Starfleet doing it? You know how ridiculous that sounds?
Crazy or not, the K't'inga has turned up from NX-01's earliest missions to the end of the Dominion War. Even Voyager couldn't avoid meeting one in the depths of the delta quadrant.
But let's be blunt - the whole temporal ships thing is a figleaf to allow players to run 23rd century ships at endgame under "rule of cool". It doesn't really make sense from the point of a coherent game universe, but then neither does a T6 B'rel sporting the same firepower as a Negh'var, or Starfleet operating Sphere Builder ships.
Practically all 22nd century ships except the NX are already available as T5 or T6 (and without temporal shenanigans). The ship sailed long ago on the "wouldn't make sense" -argument.
And all of those ships are alien ships that don't have the same design sensibilities as Starfleet. Why bother with changing a good ship design when it does everything they need? So while the ship looks like its from the 22nd Century, all its internal components are 25th Century technology. Creating a 22nd Century Starfleet ship with 25th Century technology just doesn't make sense unless it is a Temporal variant.
Everyone else making replicas of old ships magically makes more sense than Starfleet doing it? You know how ridiculous that sounds?
If it ain't broke, then why fix it? Starfleet always seems to need the newest ship design ASAP which is clearly based on Starfleet being a human-centric organization. How is needing a new ship design any different from needing the newest iPhone or computer model?
Vulcans and Andorians have been warp-capable civilizations for centuries before Humanity was capable of warp travel. Therefore, they had centuries to refine their ship designs. Therefore, there is something about the design of their 22nd Century ships that makes them unwilling to reject them for a newer model.
Another possibility is that it took 200 years for them to create new starships with some decent firepower due to joining the Federation and it has only been recently since they were allowed to create new military ships. So the only new Vulcan and Andorian ships from the foundation of the Federation was civilian ships since Starfleet was responsible for protecting the entire Federation instead of each planet protecting themselves. If it has been 200 years since their last military ship, then they would have to rely on 22nd Century ship designs for a 25th Century Andorian and Vulcan ship with decent firepower. It would explain why we only see Starfleet ships protecting the Federation in the TV series and not Andorian, Vulcan, Tellarite, and other alien ships protecting the Federation. If 24th Century Vulcan and Andorian military ships existed, then where were they in the Battle of Wolf 359 or the Dominion War? So either Andorians and Vulcans don't have the need to create a new starship design every couple of years or the Federation prevented them from creating new military ships due to the existence of Starfleet.
Everyone else making replicas of old ships magically makes more sense than Starfleet doing it? You know how ridiculous that sounds?
Crazy or not, the K't'inga has turned up from NX-01's earliest missions to the end of the Dominion War. Even Voyager couldn't avoid meeting one in the depths of the delta quadrant.
But let's be blunt - the whole temporal ships thing is a figleaf to allow players to run 23rd century ships at endgame under "rule of cool". It doesn't really make sense from the point of a coherent game universe, but then neither does a T6 B'rel sporting the same firepower as a Negh'var, or Starfleet operating Sphere Builder ships.
No, it's fitting them into the theme of the expansion they were released with and the specialization they're showcasing. If they'd been released with DR they'd all be intel ships. There have always been endgame 23rd century ships, such as the Excelsior. The Constitution is the only one that was ever explicitly denied endgame status and only because CBS said no.
The Rule of Cool is the only excuse Cryptic has ever needed to release ships. Ours already range from the 22nd to 31st centuries and two alternate universes in addition to all quadrants of our own galaxy. Pretending that this-or-that is required to allow players to fly whatever, is obviously false.
The Rule of Cool is the only excuse Cryptic has ever needed to release ships. Ours already range from the 22nd to 31st centuries and two alternate universes in addition to all quadrants of our own galaxy. Pretending that this-or-that is required to allow players to fly whatever, is obviously false.
And to be honest, there's nothing inherently wrong with that; the "coherent RP universe" essentially sailed with F2P. That said, the whole "temporal technologies" thing does feel a bit like a deus ex machina to justify including an astonishing range of ships that had previously been off-limits - Kelvin Timeline, 23C, 26C and 31C are all recent additions justified by that mechanic.
The Rule of Cool is the only excuse Cryptic has ever needed to release ships. Ours already range from the 22nd to 31st centuries and two alternate universes in addition to all quadrants of our own galaxy. Pretending that this-or-that is required to allow players to fly whatever, is obviously false.
And to be honest, there's nothing inherently wrong with that; the "coherent RP universe" essentially sailed with F2P. That said, the whole "temporal technologies" thing does feel a bit like a deus ex machina to justify including an astonishing range of ships that had previously been off-limits - Kelvin Timeline, 23C, 26C and 31C are all recent additions justified by that mechanic.
And yet, when we actually *do* find ships from aliens with real timeship technology (Tholians, Aeon timeship, etc), they get the 'pre-nerf ex machina' treatment, stripped of all the cool tech, so as to become magically on par with our own technology. :P
T6 wouldn't make sense. It shouldn't be able to compete with other T6 ships. I wouldn't mind a retrofit to T2 or T3, but not 6.
A retro appearance, utilizing the latest hull plating and packed with the most advanced technology available, would be just as deadly as any "modern" ship of it's size ...
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Oh, I hope not. Admiralty card packs would be even more useless than the R&D material packs.
The Steamrunner model was last updated for its October 2016 entry into the C-Store, barely over two months ago.
Spartan has a very good point. They have in the past updated models that were not necessarily tied to promotions. Sometimes they update things because it has value beyond asking us for more money.
Now if the 'windows glitch on the non-existent secondary hull' image is just that - a glitch - I'd hazard a guess it will be a free update. Given that T6 Unicorns are supra-ultra-rare, and never ever happen, who's to say we wont see more T6 Temporal Light Cruisers/Escorts/Dreadnaughts as prizes for R&D boxes? I am very ok if they do it.
As always, it's not real until they say it is
Well, around late February would be just about right for the next Lockbox. That means an updated Infinity just before, this time containing the contents of the Kelvin Lockbox. Good. Finally will be getting the prices on the KT Constitution into the typical range for Infinity releases and not these artificially high prices now. They're just trying to capitalize on Constitution fever with the Infinity R&D Promotion.
The T6 NX will have a new updated Grappler Console, which will be as powerful as the Fesarius' Pilot Ship's Tractor.
l don't know.
l really don't know what l'm about to say, except l have a feeling about it.
That l must repeat the words that come without my knowledge.'
I stand corrected. However, I would note that even in this case the re-skin did accompany the ship going on general release, rather than being a steam exclusive; I submit that the point that reskins are linked to new sales stands. Not that this is any kind of dig, I'm just really hoping that a T6 NX is on the cards.
That depends. If they give it its own unique NX bridge (and they should, as it's a lockbox ship), then I will definitely buy one. Otherwise, eh.
We got several T6 TOS ships, not to mention a T'varo and a Daedalus.....1 ship as older as the NX and one slightly newer. So, make the NX a T6, to hell with 'making sense' that the Comic Book Guy wannabes whinge about.
Its just as absurd to believe the only new ships being manufactured by every species in the galaxy all neatly fit in a single performance band called "T6" as to freak out that the player who wants to use STO to experience a story more aligned with one of the TV shows (instead of STO's native setting) is allowed endgame stats. If somebody wants to mentally edit their way through the missions so that they're rockin' the new frontier in an NX, more power to them.
This. You can also include the Vulcan D'kyr, Klingon Somraw and Koro't'inga as ENT-era ships playable at T5U. Endgame ship consistency pretty much went out of the window in 2012 with the introduction of Fleet ships. I personally feel that 22c or 23c Fed ships are less immersion-breaking than the scads of lockbox non-Fed ships which hover around ESD, but that's the meta we've got.
Disguised undercover Temporal Agent ship. Bam, makes sense. Wow, sci-fi is hard.
And all of those ships are alien ships that don't have the same design sensibilities as Starfleet. Why bother with changing a good ship design when it does everything they need? So while the ship looks like its from the 22nd Century, all its internal components are 25th Century technology. Creating a 22nd Century Starfleet ship with 25th Century technology just doesn't make sense unless it is a Temporal variant.
It would be like Ford deciding to create a 2017 Model T Ford with carbon fiber, hybrid engine, onboard computer system, GPS, cameras, motion sensors, and other modern features that today's luxury cars come with. It might be interesting as a concept car, but it will never be available to the public.
However, a 26th Century Starfleet ship designed to look like a 22nd Century Starfleet ship that operates in the 22nd Century does make sense.
While I can't recall seeing it written down, I always assumed that the logic was the 26c ships using their molecular reconstruction capabilities to disguise themselves when operating in the 23c. That's why they can't use the Pioneer interior.
If he told me the sky is blue and the grass is green, I'd go outside and check. I'd also get someone from the FBI Crime Lab to independently verfiy the facts.
That feels unnecessarily harsh. The ship was seen on Tribble. Working from the assumption the Devs didn't make that one just to troll the forum, I say it's entirely reasonable to conclude a NX class ship is incoming, any time soon. And that it won't be T3, else no one would buy it.
Did not post about anything other than the OP's opinion. He was dead wrong in the thread Jodarkrider closed. Wrong enough he tried to cover up his mistake by removing what he posted. No reason to think he isn't wrong here. Just sayin'.
I must have missed that thread.
Except you can't operate in the 22nd century. Just like you can't operate in the 23rd with the other "temporal" ships.
Crazy or not, the K't'inga has turned up from NX-01's earliest missions to the end of the Dominion War. Even Voyager couldn't avoid meeting one in the depths of the delta quadrant.
But let's be blunt - the whole temporal ships thing is a figleaf to allow players to run 23rd century ships at endgame under "rule of cool". It doesn't really make sense from the point of a coherent game universe, but then neither does a T6 B'rel sporting the same firepower as a Negh'var, or Starfleet operating Sphere Builder ships.
If it ain't broke, then why fix it? Starfleet always seems to need the newest ship design ASAP which is clearly based on Starfleet being a human-centric organization. How is needing a new ship design any different from needing the newest iPhone or computer model?
Vulcans and Andorians have been warp-capable civilizations for centuries before Humanity was capable of warp travel. Therefore, they had centuries to refine their ship designs. Therefore, there is something about the design of their 22nd Century ships that makes them unwilling to reject them for a newer model.
Another possibility is that it took 200 years for them to create new starships with some decent firepower due to joining the Federation and it has only been recently since they were allowed to create new military ships. So the only new Vulcan and Andorian ships from the foundation of the Federation was civilian ships since Starfleet was responsible for protecting the entire Federation instead of each planet protecting themselves. If it has been 200 years since their last military ship, then they would have to rely on 22nd Century ship designs for a 25th Century Andorian and Vulcan ship with decent firepower. It would explain why we only see Starfleet ships protecting the Federation in the TV series and not Andorian, Vulcan, Tellarite, and other alien ships protecting the Federation. If 24th Century Vulcan and Andorian military ships existed, then where were they in the Battle of Wolf 359 or the Dominion War? So either Andorians and Vulcans don't have the need to create a new starship design every couple of years or the Federation prevented them from creating new military ships due to the existence of Starfleet.
The Rule of Cool is the only excuse Cryptic has ever needed to release ships. Ours already range from the 22nd to 31st centuries and two alternate universes in addition to all quadrants of our own galaxy. Pretending that this-or-that is required to allow players to fly whatever, is obviously false.
And to be honest, there's nothing inherently wrong with that; the "coherent RP universe" essentially sailed with F2P. That said, the whole "temporal technologies" thing does feel a bit like a deus ex machina to justify including an astonishing range of ships that had previously been off-limits - Kelvin Timeline, 23C, 26C and 31C are all recent additions justified by that mechanic.
I think that argument's been put to rest at this point.
Call it a temporal ship and a day.
And yet, when we actually *do* find ships from aliens with real timeship technology (Tholians, Aeon timeship, etc), they get the 'pre-nerf ex machina' treatment, stripped of all the cool tech, so as to become magically on par with our own technology. :P
A retro appearance, utilizing the latest hull plating and packed with the most advanced technology available, would be just as deadly as any "modern" ship of it's size ...