Ok, so what does that have to do with the budget of STO? An indie gamer is quite different than a team of developers at a company like Cryptic.
No, they are not different. Both groups are creating games to be played on a computer by people who they encourage to spend money on the game. Both groups have to code and playtest. Both groups have to be responsive enough to their customers' desires to avoid putting resources in the wrong place.
As I stated, I am speculating. The primary difference is one of scale. I've been an owner/operator with my own truck for about twenty years now. The difference between my one truck operation and a company like, say, Werner Enterprises or Schneider National Carriers is they have more trucks and trailers than I do. A lot more. But all of us have the same goal - to move goods as efficiently and profitably as we can. We all face the same challenges - Fuel and equipment expenses, other companies undercutting us, rising costs of insurance and regulations and so on.
Taking what I know about my business and applying this to making computer game isn't that difficult. It's business, not rocket science. My friend has all the same expenses Cryptic does. Except on a smaller scale. Figure out the scale difference and apply it, then. As I said earlier, I'm speculating.
A six year old boy and his starship. Living the dream.
a mirror version of him. on the ever ending quest to cure his baldness. he's gone insane and now enters are corner of the galxy stealing hair products.
The Instititute for Toupological Studies spent years and tens of billions of dollars attempting to prove Shatner wore a toupee. They were never able to find any definitive evidence, therefore once must conclude Shatner never wore a hairpiece of any kind.
Now, wearing a very weird bathing suit? That's another story....
For Kirk, going into the Nexus and seeing his remnant there would be awesome.
There is no remnant of Kirk in the Nexus. He left with Picard. The only reason there was a "copy/echo" of Guinan was due to her being transported out of the Nexus. You would have to time travel to a period before Picard entered the Nexus in order to see Kirk there.
The whole idea of the Nexus was an interesting concept, executed abysmally.
Not too sure about that. Guinan says that time has no meaning in the Nexus. So you wouldn't have to go back in time to enter the Nexus to see Kirk. Really, the poor execution of the idea of the Nexus leaves a ton up for debate and for playing around with. I personally had viewed her brief statements as implying that anyone that enters the Nexus leaves an 'echo' of themselves there since time has no meaning there. You're either always there or never there, nothing in between.
Either way, the THOUGHT behind it is that "Time travel" is seemingly often done. It'd be nice to have ways of incorporating long gone characters in a way that isn't simply "I went into the past". That's one of the reasons I loved Yesterday's Enterprise... it wasn't traveling into the past, it was the past coming to the present.
OK, yes, so maybe not their "echoes." Although I don't know that it was specifically stated in the movie that an "echo" of an individual wouldn't be left behind regardless of how they leave the Nexus, but it was stated in an online chat with the creators that Kirk and Picard left no "echoes" in the Nexus. How concrete you want to treat that is up for debate.
Anyway, yes, it wouldn't even have to be their "echoes", it could actually be them. As stated, the Nexus is timeless. Kirk was pulled into the Nexus in 2293, and Picard was pulled into the Nexus 78 years later in 2371. Yet, according to Guinan's "echo" as explained to Picard after his arrival, from Kirk's point of view, Kirk had just arrived in the Nexus.
So, all of that just to say that, if the player character were to undertake a mission into the Nexus, then theoretically, he/she could interact with Kirk and Picard BEFORE they exit the Nexus. In fact, said mission could be to ensure that Kirk and Picard make it out of the Nexus in order to stop Soran at Veridian III.
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Though I LOATHE time travel (it's been overdone in STO and ENT)... it's the only way I can see to get a non-stupid way to get either into STO.
As for paying the real actors... offer them a reasonable amount of money and if they decline; I'm sure there's plenty of impersonators out there. It is voice acting so they just need to sound like them. And it's not like gaming has a long rich history of impeccable voice acting! We had Denise do Tasha and I found the real actor's work to be 'meh' quality. Like she was just reading lines off a page...
Sometimes I think I play STO just to have something to complain about on the forums.
STO has gotten on just fine without either one appearing and sucking the entire budget dry for the next two fiscal years.
This. Especially Shatner - Cryptic would have to buy hamsters to keep the servers running after he was done with us.
Mulgrew and Brooks would be awesome, and they don't come with overpriced egos. (though Brooks comes across rather drug addled in one on one interviews).
In a very basic, elementary level perhaps. Are both owned by a parent company? Do both have more than 1 employee? Are both under pressure from investors to turn a profit? Are both spending the same on people and hardware?
They're very different. Nice try though.
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A six year old boy and his starship. Living the dream.
Kirk was a womanizing cowboy who was allowed to break the rules any time he liked
That's not true. An alarming amount of people seem to have never watched TOS or not paid real attention when they did, because they seem to confuse the actual Kirk with the pop culture parodies like Zapp Brannigan and the JJAbrams version which exaggerate the character and his quirks and flaws to a ridiculous degree.
Did he have a few romance subplots? Sure, almost every character did. Kirk wasn't out of line with the standard and hell, even Picard got some now and then. The idea that Kirk banged everything that moved is entirely an artifact of the public imagination, the canon record in the episodes doesn't support that at all.
As to "allowed to break the rules", that's nonsense on the face of it. If he was "allowed", then it wasn't breaking the rules was it? The fact is, as a starship Captain he was given a rather wide degree of discretion when it came to how to handle situations. They were expected to encounter the unknown on a regular basis, far outside the range of any assistance and often outside the range of contact as well, and anyone who needed to call home constantly and be babysat by superiors every step of the way would have been considered unsuitable for that kind of command. The job demanded people who could operate independently and solve problems on their own, while staying within the general framework of the mission statement and guidelines. It was impossible to write specific rules for every conceivable situation when the unknown was a constant factor, so someone who could interpret and add to the letter of regulation while staying within the spirit of it utilizing their own good judgement was not merely accepted or allowed, it was an absolute job requirement. Kirk fit that bill, and that's why he was a good Captain for his era. Judging him by the standards of later more settled eras where command discretion was a much smaller part of the job is inappropriate.
Nor was he anywhere near as "by the seat of his pants" as the popular imagination and exaggerated retellings would claim, either. On ship he was a very by-the-book commander and he respected and executed procedure and protocol with appropriate military precision --even more so than the more comparatively relaxed Picard who tended to leave the strict execution of command functions to his XO Riker. In his decision making Kirk improvised problem solving when necessary and followed his gut instinct and intuition when it was all there was to go by, but he gathered data and consulted his command staff whenever possible to such degree that "Mr Spock, analysis" and "Recommendations, gentlemen?" were among his most frequently repeated lines. He rarely did anything without consulting at least Spock and usually both Spock and McCoy and he frequently got input from Scotty as well. Maybe you didn't notice because he did this from his command chair instead of calling a formal meeting in the briefing room like Picard was so wont to do, but even Kirk called staff meetings from time to time as well and made extensive use of the expertise and good advice of his trusted officers.
Why do you think so many older fans hated the reboot movies so much? Among their many other flaws, the fact was that the arrogant, rash and impulsive undisciplined brat of a fratboy who slimed his way into the Captain's chair unearned was NOTHING AT ALL like the Kirk we had watched on screen for so many years. That pissant little **** should have washed out of the Academy and never even been commissioned as an officer, let alone earned command. But too many people, including the writers of those films, seem to think the real Kirk was just like that when nothing could be further from the truth.
^This.
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Time travel is the only logical choice here, Kirk is dead. He's been dead for 41 years.
And a holodeck to bring back characters of this magnitude? Nah, that wouldn't cut it, not for me anyway. It would be neat, but wouldn't do these characters justice.
Stewart could work if implemented in 2410 as his character is still alive (Picard is ambassador to Vulcan last I checked).
Kirk was a womanizing cowboy who was allowed to break the rules any time he liked
That's not true. An alarming amount of people seem to have never watched TOS or not paid real attention when they did, because they seem to confuse the actual Kirk with the pop culture parodies like Zapp Brannigan and the JJAbrams version which exaggerate the character and his quirks and flaws to a ridiculous degree.
Did he have a few romance subplots? Sure, almost every character did. Kirk wasn't out of line with the standard and hell, even Picard got some now and then. The idea that Kirk banged everything that moved is entirely an artifact of the public imagination, the canon record in the episodes doesn't support that at all.
As to "allowed to break the rules", that's nonsense on the face of it. If he was "allowed", then it wasn't breaking the rules was it? The fact is, as a starship Captain he was given a rather wide degree of discretion when it came to how to handle situations. They were expected to encounter the unknown on a regular basis, far outside the range of any assistance and often outside the range of contact as well, and anyone who needed to call home constantly and be babysat by superiors every step of the way would have been considered unsuitable for that kind of command. The job demanded people who could operate independently and solve problems on their own, while staying within the general framework of the mission statement and guidelines. It was impossible to write specific rules for every conceivable situation when the unknown was a constant factor, so someone who could interpret and add to the letter of regulation while staying within the spirit of it utilizing their own good judgement was not merely accepted or allowed, it was an absolute job requirement. Kirk fit that bill, and that's why he was a good Captain for his era. Judging him by the standards of later more settled eras where command discretion was a much smaller part of the job is inappropriate.
Nor was he anywhere near as "by the seat of his pants" as the popular imagination and exaggerated retellings would claim, either. On ship he was a very by-the-book commander and he respected and executed procedure and protocol with appropriate military precision --even more so than the more comparatively relaxed Picard who tended to leave the strict execution of command functions to his XO Riker. In his decision making Kirk improvised problem solving when necessary and followed his gut instinct and intuition when it was all there was to go by, but he gathered data and consulted his command staff whenever possible to such degree that "Mr Spock, analysis" and "Recommendations, gentlemen?" were among his most frequently repeated lines. He rarely did anything without consulting at least Spock and usually both Spock and McCoy and he frequently got input from Scotty as well. Maybe you didn't notice because he did this from his command chair instead of calling a formal meeting in the briefing room like Picard was so wont to do, but even Kirk called staff meetings from time to time as well and made extensive use of the expertise and good advice of his trusted officers.
Why do you think so many older fans hated the reboot movies so much? Among their many other flaws, the fact was that the arrogant, rash and impulsive undisciplined brat of a fratboy who slimed his way into the Captain's chair unearned was NOTHING AT ALL like the Kirk we had watched on screen for so many years. That pissant little **** should have washed out of the Academy and never even been commissioned as an officer, let alone earned command. But too many people, including the writers of those films, seem to think the real Kirk was just like that when nothing could be further from the truth.
Kirk was a womanizing cowboy who was allowed to break the rules any time he liked
That's not true. An alarming amount of people seem to have never watched TOS or not paid real attention when they did, because they seem to confuse the actual Kirk with the pop culture parodies like Zapp Brannigan and the JJAbrams version which exaggerate the character and his quirks and flaws to a ridiculous degree.
Did he have a few romance subplots? Sure, almost every character did. Kirk wasn't out of line with the standard and hell, even Picard got some now and then. The idea that Kirk banged everything that moved is entirely an artifact of the public imagination, the canon record in the episodes doesn't support that at all.
As to "allowed to break the rules", that's nonsense on the face of it. If he was "allowed", then it wasn't breaking the rules was it? The fact is, as a starship Captain he was given a rather wide degree of discretion when it came to how to handle situations. They were expected to encounter the unknown on a regular basis, far outside the range of any assistance and often outside the range of contact as well, and anyone who needed to call home constantly and be babysat by superiors every step of the way would have been considered unsuitable for that kind of command. The job demanded people who could operate independently and solve problems on their own, while staying within the general framework of the mission statement and guidelines. It was impossible to write specific rules for every conceivable situation when the unknown was a constant factor, so someone who could interpret and add to the letter of regulation while staying within the spirit of it utilizing their own good judgement was not merely accepted or allowed, it was an absolute job requirement. Kirk fit that bill, and that's why he was a good Captain for his era. Judging him by the standards of later more settled eras where command discretion was a much smaller part of the job is inappropriate.
Nor was he anywhere near as "by the seat of his pants" as the popular imagination and exaggerated retellings would claim, either. On ship he was a very by-the-book commander and he respected and executed procedure and protocol with appropriate military precision --even more so than the more comparatively relaxed Picard who tended to leave the strict execution of command functions to his XO Riker. In his decision making Kirk improvised problem solving when necessary and followed his gut instinct and intuition when it was all there was to go by, but he gathered data and consulted his command staff whenever possible to such degree that "Mr Spock, analysis" and "Recommendations, gentlemen?" were among his most frequently repeated lines. He rarely did anything without consulting at least Spock and usually both Spock and McCoy and he frequently got input from Scotty as well. Maybe you didn't notice because he did this from his command chair instead of calling a formal meeting in the briefing room like Picard was so wont to do, but even Kirk called staff meetings from time to time as well and made extensive use of the expertise and good advice of his trusted officers.
Why do you think so many older fans hated the reboot movies so much? Among their many other flaws, the fact was that the arrogant, rash and impulsive undisciplined brat of a fratboy who slimed his way into the Captain's chair unearned was NOTHING AT ALL like the Kirk we had watched on screen for so many years. That pissant little **** should have washed out of the Academy and never even been commissioned as an officer, let alone earned command. But too many people, including the writers of those films, seem to think the real Kirk was just like that when nothing could be further from the truth.
^^This.
You know how some of the more rabid fans can sometimes confuse an actor with that certain favorite character they're most identified with? I think that in Shatner's case, instead of identifying him with Kirk, over the years there's been something of a role reversal where many people now seem to associate Kirk with Shatner's supposed personality. Personally, I've always thought that Denny Crane was more of an extention of Shatner than any of his previous roles (and probably why he was so good in it).
Time travel, I'd want to interact with Kirk and/or Picard in their prime, one interesting way they could do it would be for Kirk/Picard to end up trapped in our time instead of us going back to theirs.
They both should play their descendants as Ensigns aboard your ship, but neither of them can get along and their bickering turns your mission into a catastrophic mess.
Kirk : how cool would it be if we find out that the head of the temporal thing daniels is part of is actually james t kirk, not only saving the galaxy but time itself a fitting tribute to a great captain.
Picard : as an ambassador to vulcan have him being instrumental in getting both the romulans and klingons to join the federation, and of all people who could pull it off picard would be perfect.
Kirk : how cool would it be if we find out that the head of the temporal thing daniels is part of is actually james t kirk, not only saving the galaxy but time itself a fitting tribute to a great captain.
Picard : as an ambassador to vulcan have him being instrumental in getting both the romulans and klingons to join the federation, and of all people who could pull it off picard would be perfect.
I think it could have been cool if the Envoy turned out to be Kirk. Might've made that story arc more interesting.
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On the other hand id like a mission where we could give shatner a personality transplant and the ability to act.
No, they are not different. Both groups are creating games to be played on a computer by people who they encourage to spend money on the game. Both groups have to code and playtest. Both groups have to be responsive enough to their customers' desires to avoid putting resources in the wrong place.
As I stated, I am speculating. The primary difference is one of scale. I've been an owner/operator with my own truck for about twenty years now. The difference between my one truck operation and a company like, say, Werner Enterprises or Schneider National Carriers is they have more trucks and trailers than I do. A lot more. But all of us have the same goal - to move goods as efficiently and profitably as we can. We all face the same challenges - Fuel and equipment expenses, other companies undercutting us, rising costs of insurance and regulations and so on.
Taking what I know about my business and applying this to making computer game isn't that difficult. It's business, not rocket science. My friend has all the same expenses Cryptic does. Except on a smaller scale. Figure out the scale difference and apply it, then. As I said earlier, I'm speculating.
Actually, it has been proven to be an alien lifeform masquerading as Shatner's toupee.
OK, yes, so maybe not their "echoes." Although I don't know that it was specifically stated in the movie that an "echo" of an individual wouldn't be left behind regardless of how they leave the Nexus, but it was stated in an online chat with the creators that Kirk and Picard left no "echoes" in the Nexus. How concrete you want to treat that is up for debate.
Anyway, yes, it wouldn't even have to be their "echoes", it could actually be them. As stated, the Nexus is timeless. Kirk was pulled into the Nexus in 2293, and Picard was pulled into the Nexus 78 years later in 2371. Yet, according to Guinan's "echo" as explained to Picard after his arrival, from Kirk's point of view, Kirk had just arrived in the Nexus.
So, all of that just to say that, if the player character were to undertake a mission into the Nexus, then theoretically, he/she could interact with Kirk and Picard BEFORE they exit the Nexus. In fact, said mission could be to ensure that Kirk and Picard make it out of the Nexus in order to stop Soran at Veridian III.
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Kirk on the other hand saved the Federation many times over regardless of his behavior.
I think a visit with Kirk would be awesome, but the 50th anniversary window is closing fast.
As for paying the real actors... offer them a reasonable amount of money and if they decline; I'm sure there's plenty of impersonators out there. It is voice acting so they just need to sound like them. And it's not like gaming has a long rich history of impeccable voice acting! We had Denise do Tasha and I found the real actor's work to be 'meh' quality. Like she was just reading lines off a page...
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I thought they were descended from Shakespeare.
I somehow think it's a little bit more than just the KDF. Probably more like half the Alpha and Beta Quadrants themselves.
Mulgrew and Brooks would be awesome, and they don't come with overpriced egos. (though Brooks comes across rather drug addled in one on one interviews).
I like your sig pic, but wouldn't Kryten be better in engineer red?
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^This.
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And a holodeck to bring back characters of this magnitude? Nah, that wouldn't cut it, not for me anyway. It would be neat, but wouldn't do these characters justice.
Stewart could work if implemented in 2410 as his character is still alive (Picard is ambassador to Vulcan last I checked).
"Let them eat static!"
I though Kirk really really hated Klingons.
This is an awesome post, quite correct.
^^This.
You know how some of the more rabid fans can sometimes confuse an actor with that certain favorite character they're most identified with? I think that in Shatner's case, instead of identifying him with Kirk, over the years there's been something of a role reversal where many people now seem to associate Kirk with Shatner's supposed personality. Personally, I've always thought that Denny Crane was more of an extention of Shatner than any of his previous roles (and probably why he was so good in it).
Kirk : how cool would it be if we find out that the head of the temporal thing daniels is part of is actually james t kirk, not only saving the galaxy but time itself a fitting tribute to a great captain.
Picard : as an ambassador to vulcan have him being instrumental in getting both the romulans and klingons to join the federation, and of all people who could pull it off picard would be perfect.
I think it could have been cool if the Envoy turned out to be Kirk. Might've made that story arc more interesting.