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Where are the non-Starfleet Federation fleets?
oliviaclaire
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Andorian fleet:
Vulcan fleet:
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I'm asking where the non-Starfleet Federation fleets are in major Federation wars and conflicts, like the Dominion War, so you get to see other Federation member fleets fight alongside each other instead of always this:
Vulcan fleet:
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I'm asking where the non-Starfleet Federation fleets are in major Federation wars and conflicts, like the Dominion War, so you get to see other Federation member fleets fight alongside each other instead of always this:
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Are you asking for more Andorian and Vulcan ships?
Or for Fleets that use a theme for one of them?
Or something else?
It would require a lot of extra effort to support separate "Vulcan Federation" and "Andorian Federation" sub-factions, and it would make no sense for them to be undertaking most of the current story missions that are more properly completed by Starfleet. The California Highway Patrol does not go after terrorist groups in foreign countries, nor is it the proper force to defend the United States against the Iconians.
We did see the Vulcan fleet defending Vulcan against Sela.
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That is just an STO promotional picture showing all the various Enterprise iterations, nothing to do with a battle fleet or similar and there would be no reason whatsover for it to have any other kind of ship it.
Mind you, reason doesn't seem to enter all that easily into much of what you post, so *shrug*
I would imagine each member of the federation has something akin to a National Guard, Coast Guard, and Police and might occasionally deploy those forces to help the Federation (like the National Guard and Coast Guard sometimes deploy to foreign combat zones). However, I never remember seeing this on screen.
All in the name of the Federation of coarse...
as for the answer, simple, outside the budget constraints of a tv show...
(Given the increasing warp speeds, the sort of ships built for Starfleet's mission profile are probably a lot faster and higher endurance than what a system defense force needs, and probably more glamorous than the likes of the interceptors we see at Mars in Best of Both Worlds)
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now, now thats not fair... vassals can leave or at least try to. no body leaves paradise.
and yep pretty much anything meaningful done in federation space is do by starfleet or people working with/for starfleet.
if I stop posting it doesn't make you right it. just means I don't have enough rum to continue interacting with you.
http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/T'Pau_(starship)
These days, some of the oldest Member World's home fleets are little more than planetary defense forces for key worlds, or in civilian service.
And particularly in the Dominion War, the ships of the species you mentioned were doing just that: defending their core worlds. And though the lore for STO states that those planets started to field ships with more competitive and up-to-date technologies, it is doubtful that they had such ships, in any great numbers, during the Dominion War.
Also take note: when a new member joins the Federation, while they do give up a vast majority of their defense over to Starfleet, they do contribute in the form of new technologies and design ideas.
Every Starfleet ship is the result of the cumulative efforts and contributions of hundreds of species, despite being of primarily human design appearance.
It's why Starfleet ships tend to be so overpowered despite their simple designs and appearance compared to their neighbors. They are the end result of intense cooperative effort between many allied races.
Vassals I think would seem to have little say in the politics of the sovereign state that rules over them. I disagree with what the Federation of Planets seems to be.
What we can presume that happened when the Federation was formed was that the founding members all came together and agreed that because Humans were the one species that was able to bring them together, Earth should be the capital of the new political power they were about to create. Earth Starfleet was reformed to become Federation Starfleet and they opened the doors to allowing all Humanioid species to enlist in the academy.
Member worlds would be allowed to be self-autonomous despite being part of the Federation and we can assume that they retained some sort of defense fleet to patrol their planetary systems. Also, as a member world, they had the right to have representation on the Federation Council. Plus, every humanoid member has the right to be elected as the President of the Federation.
In contrast to the Federation, we have powers such as the Klingon & Romulan Star Empires that take territories and essentially the people of the worlds they take are more considered vassals of the Empire than an equal member. A good example of this is the way the Romulans treat the Remans.
If we want to go into actual specifics on why in Star Trek we never see anything but fleets of Starfleet ships filling out the Federation fleet, it has to go back to production values of the series. When TOS started, they only had the budget to make a few models for the show. As a result, you never see any federation vessel in that series aside from the Constitution class Starfleet vessel. By the time the movies and the later series are produced, their budgets have clearly increased, but they still decide to resort to the view that Starfleet vessels are the primary vessels that make up the fleet, due to fact that any Federation member can serve on board these vessels either as a civilian, an enlisted officer or a commissioned officer.
And there's the troll bait. I'm surprised it remained hidden so long.
However, I noticed you're cherry-picking a bit there. In the war against the Dominion, we saw combined fleets. Yes, there weren't any Vulcan ships (or apparently any Andorian ships) in those fleets, but perhaps they weren't deemed to be necessary for the battle (or the budget of the episode).
From a canon standpoint--or at least the standpoint of storytelling within the Trek universe--those fleets are out there, going from system to system on their particular individual businesses, but what they're doing just isn't interesting enough to warrant our attention. Hence no series or game titles like Star Trek: Tug Captain, Star Trek: Cargo Run, or Star Trek: Tellarite Truffle Hunt.
Anyway, I'd like to personally thank you for all the postings over these last months revealing how you're totally not on-board with a fictional organization.
Not really? Each Member World has selected representatives in the Federation Council, and they all have equal say. In essence, it's an elected representative democracy.
You seem to be conflating Starfleet itself with the Federation.
Starfleet is a quasi-military/exploratory force under the Federation's control. It is the primary space fleet and defense force for the governmental body that is the Federation.
Starfleet has also existed since before the Federation itself. Because Starfleet was originally a human organization, and because the Federation was founded on Earth, the ships of Starfleet remain primarily of human design in appearance potentially out of some form of tradition.
Oh wait it's the tin foil eater. Please stop with the conspiracy theory.
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