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T6 Breen Chel Boalg has incorrect boff seating in-game
devron7
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The specs from the blog are: 1 Commander Tactical, 1 Lieutenant Engineering, 1 Lieutenant Commander Science/Temporal Operative, 1 Ensign Universal, 1 Lieutenant Commander Universal.
I unpacked my T6 Chel Boalg only to find the Lt Comm Science slot is wrong as its showing a Sci/Intelligence on the ship instead of the proper Science/Temporal Operative as originally promoted. Also the Lt Comm universal that was originally promoted, is showing as Lt Comm Tactical on the ship which is wrong as well. This isn't the ship I was promised and spent valuable lobi for.
Any ETA on when the boff stations will be switched to their proper Lt Comm Sci/Temporal Op and Lt Comm Uni?
Also adding another bug I noticed in the naming of the Chel Boalg's Admirality card.
I unpacked my T6 Chel Boalg only to find the Lt Comm Science slot is wrong as its showing a Sci/Intelligence on the ship instead of the proper Science/Temporal Operative as originally promoted. Also the Lt Comm universal that was originally promoted, is showing as Lt Comm Tactical on the ship which is wrong as well. This isn't the ship I was promised and spent valuable lobi for.
Any ETA on when the boff stations will be switched to their proper Lt Comm Sci/Temporal Op and Lt Comm Uni?
Also adding another bug I noticed in the naming of the Chel Boalg's Admirality card.
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Why do you think it's better?
Still though it's not the correct seating as was stated, and should be changed to it's proper Lt Comm Sci/Temporal Op and Lt Comm Uni.
I even posted the original stats page above to corroborate this and will do so again if need be.
Please fix the ship appropriately Cryptic, and revert the stats page back to how it was originally, as the problem was with the boff stations on the ship itself, not the stats page. The stats page was posted the day before the ship was. You quoted specs before the ship came out, stick to your guns, the ship you originally quoted is the ship I was and am still expecting it to be. Anything less is a deception which cost me a lot of lobi.
Clearly it was designed with foresight and intent to have Lt Comm Science/Temporal Operative, and Lt Comm Universal.
I'm hoping they will correct this as I'm sure you and many others have bought it up front with all that lobi expecting to get what the blog lists on release day, much like the bug with the new KDF ship that led to a lot of confusion.
Since I'll be doing the daily, I can't really complain about what they choose to do with it, but it is really unfair & unjust to those who pay lobi up front at release day having nothing but the blog to go by, or those who wish to complete the ship with lobi having missed some days to discover this.
Whether the sci is Temporal operative spec or Intel spec is almost a no matter compared to the above.
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For my style of play the Temporal Operative would be superior to Intel for me. Both the Lt Comm Sci/Temporal and the Lt Comm Universal are equally important for me though. Also this ship being Intelligence instead of Temporal doesn't make sense. We already have a Breen hybrid Intelligence ship, and a Breen Hybrid Command ship, now that we're in the "temporal days" of STO, it makes perfect sense that the Lt Comm Sci hybrid should be Temporal.
I agree and I think they do too considering their original intentions. I believe the current boff seating is just an oversight, and that both will be fixed appropriately.
For starters, this ship isn't a good temporal ship based on its layout, the layout tells you this ship is meant to do dmg through weapons, not temporal (exotic) abilities. If you look at the masteries of the ship, it will allude to this.
If you try to build a ship that does "a little bit of everything", in the end the ship will do nothing really well. It's better to specialize in a primary focus on the ship (weapon dps, exotic dps, etc.) first, and only after you've setup all of what you need for that theme, then slot in supporting abilities to further enhance your primary abilities.
Intel beats Temporal on this ship due to having access to OSS2 and OSS2 is > Recursive Shearing 1.
The layout is fine for Temporal IMO. As for the "masteries" trait, no one is going to be using energy siphon when they could be running a lot better DPS boff options, and no one is going to run the Breen 4pc for the integrated siphon when we have the Iconian 4pc, so the trait itself is moot in my opinion. I also wouldn't be using traits to make judgement on how a ship should be used, as that won't actually always work out in a cut and dry way. A lot of times, the best builds are builds that are independent of how a mastery points to how a ship should be used.
On top of that we already have a Breen Intel hybrid ship and a Breen Command hybrid ship. It doesn't really make sense to do another one, especially right now given the current flavor of STO (temporal). The logical thing would be for Cryptic to keep the original specs with the Lt Comm hybrid being Science/Temporal and the Lt Comm universal.
I didn't say "starship mastery", I said the "masteries" (plural) from the T1-T4 masteries of that ship and it's those T1-T4 mastery bonuses that tell you what direction that ship was designed for. Starship Traits can be used on any ship but the T1-T4 masteries are unique only to that ship. And no, the layout isn't good for Temporal. Just because a ship has a Temporal BOFF seating, it doesn't automatically mean it's good for a decent Temporal build.
A temporal build will likely make use of RS1 for this ship, but against a threat build using FBP2 and TBR1, RS1 + anything else temporal in the other 2 slots will always parse significantly lower.
For an energy weapon ship, a hybrid Command ship offers very little. Rally Point/Concentrate Firepower are perhaps the most useful in the Command Spec but neither are comparable to OSS. CF can be "stolen" (IOW used, and thus used up) by other torpedo users, Rally Point in itself doesn't lend to extra damage and has limited use overall as a defensive ability.
It can, but there are also other Temporal skills and uses for the ship other than that. Use cases will differ, but for me, the Lt Comm Science/Temporal is preferred. This will be different for other players as we all don't play the same.
Also this ship is perfectly fine DPS wise with a Lt Comm Universal and a Lt Comm Science/Temporal operative. Regardless of how you think someone would or should use it.
This is irrelevant. Not to sound rude, as it's not my intention, but I couldn't care less about what command offers in this context. I simply stated it and Intel already exist on other Breen ships as a matter of fact and to point out that with each new release of a Breen ship since specialization came about, an appropriate boff specialization was released with it. Command and Intel have already been done, it's time for Temporal at this stage of the game. Ultimately though, Cryptic will do what it will do, it will either get switched or stay. I notice they updated the blog to say Sci/Intel, but the Lt Comm is still listed as universal and it's still Lt Comm tac in game.
You asked why Intel was superior to a Temporal BOFF for this ship so I've already answered that question. FWIW it could be a Command or Pilot seating and a player with a decent understanding of how to fly the ship can still do well, but again the Intel seating will be better as I've explained several times.
Whether it's your intention was not the basis of your question. You asked why Intel was superior to Temporal for this ship and again I've answered this question, so your "intention" is irrelevant to your initial question. I'm not familiar with all the other Breen ships however you mentioned the other ship had "Command" seating and it differs from a ship with an "Intel" BOFF seating.
You're skewing off the initial topic. Nobody said anything about whether this ship is fine DPS wise, any player with a decent understanding of the game mechanics and flying skills can produce decent numbers compared to a player who has inferior knowledge and game experience, but that wasn't the issue you had with my statement. You asked "why Intel was better than Temporal" for the BOFF seating and again this was already answered. Just because you don't agree with my statement because it doesn't fit your "preference" doesn't negate my statement or make it irrelevant.
Cryptic doesn't design a ship based around "your" preference, they do whatever it is and you get to choose whether it's worthwhile or not. Tooltip errors are common in this game, they already changed it so that it was to remain Intel. Whether the other BOFF will later turn into Universal or main Tac has less of an impact since being Universal will not affect the current state of the ship since a player could choose to continue using that slot as a Tac if they chose to.
It is relevant as that's what you stated that there were other Breen ships with a Command seating, but I noticed you edited your previous post to include Intel seating.
And it is relevant because it answered your question. You still haven't admitted that you misread and assumed what I meant about the "masteries" (plural, just in case you misread it again) and assumed I said "starship mastery".
It doesn't matter if other Breen ships already have Intel or not, what matters is that both ships are not identical and can be played differently to maximize that ship's potential. You don't know whether the devs were thinking that Breen ships tend to come with Intel seating more often than other races or not, but neither of us can prove/disprove that theory so that may remain exactly as it is, just a theory.
tl;dr.
No one is asking them to design the ship around their own personal preference. People just want it designed around what they said it was. You don't go through all that hooey write up about the Temporal powers if you did not mean it to be Temporal. PERIOD.
l don't know.
l really don't know what l'm about to say, except l have a feeling about it.
That l must repeat the words that come without my knowledge.'
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Don't make ARC mandatory! Keep it optional only!