I pretty much don't even CARE what Echo is supposed to be ... because it is clearly NOT meant to be a starship in the tradition of Star Trek.
You're exactly right.
It's a starship built by the new kids on the block. The Lukari are not part of Star Trek tradition, they are something new. Their ships do not look like the other races' ships for the simple reason that they are not the other races' ships.
Your father was captain of a starship for twelve minutes. He saved 800 lives, including your mother's, and yours.
It's a starship built by the new kids on the block. The Lukari are not part of Star Trek tradition, they are something new. Their ships do not look like the other races' ships for the simple reason that they are not the other races' ships.
You're not thinking this through are you? That's like saying that for their first effort at making drinking straws, the Lukari don't start with this ...
It's a starship built by the new kids on the block. The Lukari are not part of Star Trek tradition, they are something new. Their ships do not look like the other races' ships for the simple reason that they are not the other races' ships.
Look, I can buy that Lukari design aesthetics will yield a ship shape that is relatively new compared to everything that has gone before (Starfleet, KDF, Empire, Republic, Dominion, etc. etc. etc.). What I'm NOT buying is that the Lukari aesthetic is going to be so radically far "off the beaten track" that it is completely without precedent or even have any correlation to "what has come before" in the entire Star Trek franchise. They aren't doing this "whole cloth new" after all, they're being given technical support by the major powers that already have working tech, meaning this isn't a "clean sheet of paper" exercise for the Lukari.
Yes, this is a "new race" building their first warp capable ship. But they should be building something BASIC as opposed to RADICAL so as to "learn the ropes" (so to speak) of ship building ... and operations and maintenance and all of the other various and sundry concerns that go into actually OWNING a starship. They need to be building something they can LEARN from, rather than skipping over all the steps of getting to the "Final Hawtness" on their first try.
Again, I don't have a problem with the Lukari eventually EVOLVING their ship design in a direction consistent with Echo over iterations of design and discovery. What I sincerely doubt is that they'd design something like that right out of the gate as their FIRST warp capable starship.
Or to put it another way ... they need to learn to walk before they try to run (with ship design). The Lukari need to build something they can SUPPORT and PRODUCE ... not merely something that "looks cool" on TV (or in a game like STO).
The first one will win again. And I'm tired of losing in every voting there's been on the forums so I vote Echo.
(Quite honestly the only design I liked of the 6 was Bravo).
TOIVA, Toi Vaxx, Toia Vix, Toveg, T'vritha, To Vrax: Bring in the Allegiance class. Toi'Va, Ti'vath, Toivia, Ty'Vris, Tia Vex, Toi'Virth: Add Tier 6 KDF Carrier and Raider. Tae'Va, T'Vaya, To'Var, Tevra, T'Vira, To'Vrak: Give us Asylums for Romulans.
Echo looks too much like a Son'a ship to me so it'll have to be Foxtrot.
However, Foxtrot now looks a little like a Cisco conference station. But come on, who, when everyone was out of the room, picked that up and pretended it was a UFO?
The first one will win again. And I'm tired of losing in every voting there's been on the forums so I vote Echo.
(Quite honestly the only design I liked of the 6 was Bravo).
Bravo was my jam.
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Foxtrot has my vote. Of the two, its the one that looks sufficiently alien.
Echo....well, as has been said, its Son'a meets Count Dooku's lightsabers, lol.
And, I agree, seeing how the Son'a fared reintegrating into the Ba'ku after Insurrection could be interesting. Maybe have to deal with a revolt from the 'slave' species they had previously conqured or something.
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I also vote for Foxtrot. Echo is WAY TOO CLOSE to a Son'a design. If we want a Son'a ship... wait for a legit Son'a ship! Not a proxy.
I can't take it anymore! Could everyone just chill out for two seconds before something CRAZY happens again?!
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Had to vote FoxTrot here. As others have already said, if we get Son'A ships, let them actually be Son'A. Also, I can't help seeing the Nandi in the lines of Echo. It shares too much inspiration with the that Ferengi ship's front end.
It's fun to be voting in a ship design again, though. Thanks Trendy and Cryptic!
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Foxtrot looks better and Echo looks to much like a Romulan and Son'a ships
Compliance!
the other day I commented to a similar effect and asked if it comes with a 'class 1 maneuver console' and a 'Navigator' title lol
You're exactly right.
It's a starship built by the new kids on the block. The Lukari are not part of Star Trek tradition, they are something new. Their ships do not look like the other races' ships for the simple reason that they are not the other races' ships.
Your father was captain of a starship for twelve minutes. He saved 800 lives, including your mother's, and yours.
I dare you to do better.
Also... Deathglider and Son'a-warships shouldn't have babies at all.
You're not thinking this through are you? That's like saying that for their first effort at making drinking straws, the Lukari don't start with this ...
... and instead skip straight to this ...
... because, and I quote for emphasis ...
Look, I can buy that Lukari design aesthetics will yield a ship shape that is relatively new compared to everything that has gone before (Starfleet, KDF, Empire, Republic, Dominion, etc. etc. etc.). What I'm NOT buying is that the Lukari aesthetic is going to be so radically far "off the beaten track" that it is completely without precedent or even have any correlation to "what has come before" in the entire Star Trek franchise. They aren't doing this "whole cloth new" after all, they're being given technical support by the major powers that already have working tech, meaning this isn't a "clean sheet of paper" exercise for the Lukari.
Yes, this is a "new race" building their first warp capable ship. But they should be building something BASIC as opposed to RADICAL so as to "learn the ropes" (so to speak) of ship building ... and operations and maintenance and all of the other various and sundry concerns that go into actually OWNING a starship. They need to be building something they can LEARN from, rather than skipping over all the steps of getting to the "Final Hawtness" on their first try.
Again, I don't have a problem with the Lukari eventually EVOLVING their ship design in a direction consistent with Echo over iterations of design and discovery. What I sincerely doubt is that they'd design something like that right out of the gate as their FIRST warp capable starship.
Or to put it another way ... they need to learn to walk before they try to run (with ship design). The Lukari need to build something they can SUPPORT and PRODUCE ... not merely something that "looks cool" on TV (or in a game like STO).
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Say, Trendy, can we get 'I voted' stickers in game to put on our uniforms?
we need it to say that every time you do something like hit full impulse
Plus echo is too close to the recent Romulan carrier for my liking.
(Quite honestly the only design I liked of the 6 was Bravo).
Toi'Va, Ti'vath, Toivia, Ty'Vris, Tia Vex, Toi'Virth: Add Tier 6 KDF Carrier and Raider.
Tae'Va, T'Vaya, To'Var, Tevra, T'Vira, To'Vrak: Give us Asylums for Romulans.
Don't make ARC mandatory! Keep it optional only!
However, Foxtrot now looks a little like a Cisco conference station. But come on, who, when everyone was out of the room, picked that up and pretended it was a UFO?
Reverse but I see it. Still prefer it though. Since it's FSW it strikes me as more Romulan.
Shouldn't they be either reintegrated into the Ba'ku or extinct?
What about their servant races, the Tarlac and the Ellora?
And THAT, is why I didn't vote for Foxtrot.
Bravo was my jam.
Echo....well, as has been said, its Son'a meets Count Dooku's lightsabers, lol.
And, I agree, seeing how the Son'a fared reintegrating into the Ba'ku after Insurrection could be interesting. Maybe have to deal with a revolt from the 'slave' species they had previously conqured or something.
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so... inb4 the 'my ship is bacwards!' posts
It's fun to be voting in a ship design again, though. Thanks Trendy and Cryptic!
It just 'feels' better.
Thank you for the time...
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