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Why Star Trek Online should support MAC again!

thestargazethestargaze Member Posts: 1,020 Arc User
edited October 2016 in Star Trek Online General Discussion
IBM says it is 3X more expensive to manage PCs than Macs, full article can be found here! and here!

Perhaps this time "cider" should not be used to emulate windows since it worked so badly. I am a mac user and I play on "PlayOnMac" app that works OK though Steam upstart. But I think it would be better if STO was directly compatible with OSX, like what you have done with comsol.

Side note:
For a few days I am having trouble seeing the forum page with safari browser. The frame is collapsed, this is what I see,

https://goo.gl/photos/NhUXDsNCgy9ANthi6

Is there someone working on this?
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  • altran3301altran3301 Member Posts: 170 Arc User
    Macs are not for gaming, get back to work. :D
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  • chronoss2012chronoss2012 Member Posts: 255 Arc User
    edited October 2016
    really so a pc with BSD UNIX is more expensive then a mac pc

    HAHA funny....macs are how expensive to buy , locked in and drmed? NO THANKS....
    and linux on a pc is pretty cheap too....

    windows 7 is cheap now too and it runs just fine heck it cost me a lot less then a mac in fact i could have 10 of these pcs for price a one mac....

    so how does IBM come up with that? were they trying to use watson in a joke on you?
  • sftricksftrick Member Posts: 53 Arc User
    Why would the cost of maintaining computers in a corporate environment have any bearing on which platforms PW should release games on? I don't get it.
  • kontarnuskontarnus Member Posts: 289 Arc User
    Mac ports have to be outsourced to another dev house, that then has to maintain the code optimized for Macs and troubleshoot when their port of an update doesn't work properly, etc.

    It costs money. They would probably have to double some of their budget to support Macs. I doubt there's enough players on Macs to make it worthwhile, and I have no doubt they looked at the revenue metrics and ran the numbers and decided that for themselves.
    "Intelligence is finite, stupidity is infinite" -- Umberto Eco
  • kjfettkjfett Member Posts: 370 Arc User
    There simply is no reason to support another code for such a very small population. I believe it to be very likely that you all accounted for <1% of the total population in this game. Even if OSX were 10 times easier to support, it would be an insignificant statistical bump at most.
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  • hanover2hanover2 Member Posts: 1,053 Arc User
    Because the staff's concentration isn't divided enough already.
  • indysharkindyshark Member Posts: 1,556 Arc User
    I have never been able to get it to work on my MAC even thought it is powerful enough and updated. I need to find someone to help me with it.
  • altran3301altran3301 Member Posts: 170 Arc User
    kjfett wrote: »
    insignificant statistical bump at most.

    Most male Mac users' trouser bulge? Le Chairman Mao's TRIBBLE just fell off.
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  • jaguarskxjaguarskx Member Posts: 5,945 Arc User
    According to STO Producer Maria “Zeronius Rex” Rosseau in the following PriorityOne Podcast interview the Mac player base represented less than 1% of the total PC player base.

    http://priorityonepodcast.com/po270/


    That fraction of a percent does not justify the cost involved with developing and supporting a STO client that is compatible with OSX. Sure, it sucks that Mac owners do not have a native STO client, but at least there are alternatives to play the game on a Mac laptop / desktop such as using PlayOnMac. A more expensive option would be to use Bootcamp and either a retail or OEM version of Windows OS.

    Cryptic developed STO for consoles, but that is because console players represents an untapped player base. I am sure there is an untapped player base in the Mac community, but consider this... every PS4 and Xbox One is a potential customer because people buy those consoles to play games. Not everyone that owns a Mac is a potential customer because not all Mac owners play games.


    According to the following article, IDC published data which that as of Q1 2016 Apple has a 7.4% world wide marketshare and 13% of the US marketshare for computers.

    https://9to5mac.com/2016/04/11/apple-mac-market-numbers-idc/
  • officerbatman81officerbatman81 Member Posts: 2,761 Arc User
    I want to buy a mac but i dont want to give up STO. Any options?
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  • revanindustriesrevanindustries Member Posts: 508 Arc User
    edited October 2016
    As much as I would love to run STO on Mac again (as my Mac, though older than my PC, is a much better and faster computer), I had numerous bad experiences in the way the STO Mac Client was handled. I do run Parallels on my Mac, so I have that as an option if and when I finally have enough of the inferiority of Windows (because Mac runs Windows better than Windows does).

    Also, I would not trust the percentages they give as far as MAC users go; see the Mac Pack debacle for proof that the devs had no idea who played on a Mac.
  • kjfettkjfett Member Posts: 370 Arc User
    officerbatman81 wrote: »
    I want to buy a mac but i dont want to give up STO. Any options?

    bootcamp Let's you have both and really puts to rest the complaints anyone has about the shutdown of the Mac client.
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  • angrybobhangrybobh Member Posts: 420 Arc User
    kjfett wrote: »
    officerbatman81 wrote: »
    I want to buy a mac but i dont want to give up STO. Any options?

    bootcamp Let's you have both and really puts to rest the complaints anyone has about the shutdown of the Mac client.

    Since Mac uses Intel chips, Macs are just narrow focused PCs with limited part selections. They can run Windows and STO supports windows. So, yeah, where's the problem?
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  • theotherscotty#9105 theotherscotty
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    I think it's pretty safe to say that that ship has sailed long ago. I have a Mac myself but it's so old (2008 24" iMac) that it doesn't even support 64-bit Windows 7 in Bootcamp (only 32-bit Windows 7).

    I'd love it if they'd make a real Mac client instead of that Cider wrapper they were using before, but as mentioned above, it's all about the Benjamins and there simply weren't enough of us Mac users around for them to justify spending the money on developing it.

    It sucks, but at this point our only real options are to either buy or build a Windows computer, or run STO in Bootcamp on a Mac. If I were a serious gamer I'd just build a custom Windows gaming rig and be done with it.
  • edrogenedrogen Member Posts: 202 Arc User
    every time these threads come up I have a long wall of text prepped for the discussion.
    Today - TL/DR; helpful links only

    I've played STO almost exclusively on Macs (iMac & Powerbook) for over three years using wineskin as originally described in this thread. You can quite literally start with the software linked there and use its own update software to get the wineskin wrapper and engine to the current version. Best Engine I use currently is 1.9.15.

    Here are bookmarks to the systems that I keep around for just such threads.
    http://wineskin.urgesoftware.com/tiki-index.php
    http://winebottler.kronenberg.org/
    https://playonmac.com/en/
    Or boot camp, or Parallels.
    It works and it's possible to do it free or pay.
  • thestargazethestargaze Member Posts: 1,020 Arc User
    revanindustries wrote: »
    As much as I would love to run STO on Mac again (as my Mac, though older than my PC, is a much better and faster computer), I had numerous bad experiences in the way the STO Mac Client was handled. I do run Parallels on my Mac, so I have that as an option if and when I finally have enough of the inferiority of Windows (because Mac runs Windows better than Windows does).

    Also, I would not trust the percentages they give as far as MAC users go; see the Mac Pack debacle for proof that the devs had no idea who played on a Mac.

    Agreed, ... oh well.. what can you do?
  • thestargazethestargaze Member Posts: 1,020 Arc User
    edited October 2016
    kjfett wrote: »
    officerbatman81 wrote: »
    I want to buy a mac but i dont want to give up STO. Any options?

    bootcamp Let's you have both and really puts to rest the complaints anyone has about the shutdown of the Mac client.

    I use an app called "PlayOnMac". It works well for me.. I just hope it will continue to work after the new lightning upgrade. I would be lost if I could use my mac to play sto... and I dont want those terrible windows systems.
  • kjfettkjfett Member Posts: 370 Arc User
    thestargaze wrote: »
    revanindustries wrote: »
    As much as I would love to run STO on Mac again (as my Mac, though older than my PC, is a much better and faster computer), I had numerous bad experiences in the way the STO Mac Client was handled. I do run Parallels on my Mac, so I have that as an option if and when I finally have enough of the inferiority of Windows (because Mac runs Windows better than Windows does).

    Also, I would not trust the percentages they give as far as MAC users go; see the Mac Pack debacle for proof that the devs had no idea who played on a Mac.

    Agreed, ... oh well.. what can you do?

    No matter the OS, there is a certain level of technical savvy a user must have to use it effectively and get the most out of it.

    You have the tools and abilities to play the game on a Mac. It's your choice to do it or not. I suppose that is all you can do.
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  • anazondaanazonda Member Posts: 8,399 Arc User
    The number of factual mistakes in the articles alone just makes this OP senseless...

    Fine, you want STO on your Mac... I can respect that... But don't pretend it's a "practical thing" to make it work on mac.
    Don't look silly... Don't call it the "Z-Store/Zen Store"...
    pwebranflakes wrote: »
    Let me put the rumors to rest: it's definitely still the C-Store (Cryptic Store) It just takes ZEN.
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  • revanindustriesrevanindustries Member Posts: 508 Arc User
    [quote="kjfett;13086219"][quote="thestargaze;13086216"][quote="revanindustries;13086180"]As much as I would love to run STO on Mac again (as my Mac, though older than my PC, is a much better and faster computer), I had numerous bad experiences in the way the STO Mac Client was handled. I do run Parallels on my Mac, so I have that as an option if and when I finally have enough of the inferiority of Windows (because Mac runs Windows better than Windows does).

    Also, I would not trust the percentages they give as far as MAC users go; see the Mac Pack debacle for proof that the devs had no idea who played on a Mac.[/quote]

    Agreed, ... oh well.. what can you do?
    [/quote]

    No matter the OS, there is a certain level of technical savvy a user must have to use it effectively and get the most out of it.

    You have the tools and abilities to play the game on a Mac. It's your choice to do it or not. I suppose that is all you can do.[/quote]

    Precisely. And as I have a PC that I only ever use for x86 Assembly Programming and for my job, I just decided to run it on that and move on. The option to put it back on my Mac through either BootCamp or Parallels (though only do Parallels if you have the RAM to support it) is an excellent safety net.
  • snoggymack22snoggymack22 Member Posts: 7,084 Arc User
    kjfett wrote: »
    There simply is no reason to support another code for such a very small population.

    Just imagine ... KDF-only PVPers on a Mac! How small is that population? :smiley:
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  • jaguarskxjaguarskx Member Posts: 5,945 Arc User
    kjfett wrote: »
    officerbatman81 wrote: »
    I want to buy a mac but i dont want to give up STO. Any options?

    bootcamp Let's you have both and really puts to rest the complaints anyone has about the shutdown of the Mac client.

    Yeah, if you want to play STO on a Mac, then the best option is to buy an OEM version of Windows 10 for $100 and use Bootcamp. Though I prefer to get the retail version instead for $130; less headaches if you want to re-install or install on a different computer (still can only be activated on once computer though).

    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16832416892
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16832588528


    You can try the emulators first though since they should not cost you any money.
  • officerbatman81officerbatman81 Member Posts: 2,761 Arc User
    I feel it would be stupid and against the point to put windows on a mac. The point is to get away from the "PC experience"
  • kjfettkjfett Member Posts: 370 Arc User
    officerbatman81 wrote: »
    I feel it would be stupid and against the point to put windows on a mac. The point is to get away from the "PC experience"

    I think you mean "Windows" experience. OSX is just another operating system. The hardware the Operating System is installed on is a Personal Computer in both cases.
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  • officerbatman81officerbatman81 Member Posts: 2,761 Arc User
    Yeah but there are individuals here talking about installing windows on mac, which is counter productive i feel. Then whats the point...?
  • rsciwrsciw Member Posts: 54 Arc User
    officerbatman81 wrote: »
    Yeah but there are individuals here talking about installing windows on mac, which is counter productive i feel. Then whats the point...?

    Nah, what kjfett (I believe) is saying is, that PC experience is both with Windows and OSX, since a Mac is as much a PC as any other home computer / laptop running Windows or Linux or any other BSD. The hardware's the same. It used to be different, when Macs were running on Power PC CPUs (the irony being in the name of that architecture ;) ) and were regarded as separate to PCs.

    Nowadays you get either Windows experience, Linux experience, OSX, BSD experience, or any other Unix or other OS experience (if you want, you can count your OSX experience as BSD experience and Unix experience too), but they all are PC experience.

    Sure, it appears counterproductive in the beginning, getting Windows for an Apple, but if the tool fits the job, nothing wrong with it

  • cactolithcactolith Member Posts: 69 Arc User
    Hey, don't leave out support for OS2 Warp 4, or at least eComStation 2.1 or ArcaOS 5.0. :disappointed:
  • kjfettkjfett Member Posts: 370 Arc User
    rsciw wrote: »
    officerbatman81 wrote: »
    Yeah but there are individuals here talking about installing windows on mac, which is counter productive i feel. Then whats the point...?

    Nah, what kjfett (I believe) is saying is, that PC experience is both with Windows and OSX, since a Mac is as much a PC as any other home computer / laptop running Windows or Linux or any other BSD. The hardware's the same. It used to be different, when Macs were running on Power PC CPUs (the irony being in the name of that architecture ;) ) and were regarded as separate to PCs.

    Nowadays you get either Windows experience, Linux experience, OSX, BSD experience, or any other Unix or other OS experience (if you want, you can count your OSX experience as BSD experience and Unix experience too), but they all are PC experience.

    Sure, it appears counterproductive in the beginning, getting Windows for an Apple, but if the tool fits the job, nothing wrong with it

    Correct!
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