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Honestly Folks, i took us ages to complete our reputation gear and now with the mk XIII Ultra Rare unlock it's just TRIBBLE. I have 5 space pieces and 3 ground pieces on four of my toons. Getting the upgraded gear means doing everything all over again which isn't going to happen. With K-13 "ante portas" we need tons of fleet marks and other resources again. I did the math for the required resources for four toons. In case of the Omega space and ground gear it would be a whopping 696000 Dilithium, 120 Borg Neural Processors, 24000 Omega Marks (consoles not included).
Do us long-term players a favor and give us a turn-in console or npc where we can trade our old "worn" gear for at least 50% of its original cost.
Feeling inferior without a real chance to do something about it drives people away from games. If you could do something like that it'd be a huge relief for many of us.

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  • nccmarknccmark Member Posts: 1,084 Arc User
    You got what you paid for.

    NOTHING is warrantied as being future proof.
  • peterconnorfirstpeterconnorfirst Member Posts: 6,225 Arc User
    edited October 2016
    I find your idea interesting and also fair to a point. I for my part could and would certainly use such a thing eventhough I have a turnover of 80-85k Dil/day.

    Sadly I don’t see it happen as cryptic claims that there are countless millions of Dil in the hands of the player base at the moment.
    Dil that people hoard in the hope that at some point they get something worth the effort collecting it.

    Gear and upgrades isn’t it as stuff like this isn’t considered “fun” by the majority of the player base.

    Only few like you and me even bothered with it.
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  • necreliosis#4763 necreliosis Member Posts: 112 Arc User
    I'm not gonna lie, the mk XIII ultra rare gear makes a difference. I'm guessing Cryptic figures anyone sticking around is going to want that gear and have to redo the content to get it, prolonging the lifespan of that content. It's almost like they planned it that way on purpose.
  • seaofsorrowsseaofsorrows Member Posts: 10,919 Arc User
    Going from Mark XII VR Rep set to Mark XIII UR gear of the same set will have no practical gain in performance.

    If you're that worried about it, wait until the next upgrade weekend, take your Mark XII VR to Mark XIV VR and be done with it. Things like Deflectors, Impulse Engines or even shields will show you no real noticeable performance difference. The only one that might give you a noticeable boost would be a Warp Core and only if you're able to hold sub system power levels high enough to benefit from the AMP Mod.

    If you really want to get the Mk XIII UR gear, fine.. you have a full set of Mark XII to use while you work on getting the marks, that should make any content you need to play easy enough, it's just a matter of time.

    If you don't want to re-grind for new gear.. don't. I think you're really overestimating how much of a boost you're going to get. For me, my main had so many Iconian Marks banked that I just replaced his gear, but for my Alts I just left them with the UR gear they were already using. You're talking a 1-2% overall gain under the most optimal of conditions, don't sweat it.
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  • taylor1701dtaylor1701d Member Posts: 3,099 Arc User
    What about the costs associated with bringing those older mk XII Very Rare rep pieces to Epic quality ?

    One rarity level (on a warpcore for example) can take hundreds of thousands of Dil if you're unlucky with the RNG, not too mention all the superior/experimentals needed.

    But chances are they will never have any sort of rep gear turn in.
    Besides, getting all new gear for your main and alts is good for their metrics. More grind.

    I have what I need at this point in time, my main has her favorite loadouts at Epic quality already. And even though it did cost me a lot more (in the millions of dil) then if I had waited for the MK XIII Ultra rare stuffs, I do not expect any kind of turn in option for other set gear I have that has not been upgraded as of yet.

    I'm pretty much stuck with those Very Rare XII rep items now. And truth be told, if I want those pieces at epic, it will be far cheaper (in the long run) to buy them all over again.
    And start fresh at XIII Ultra Rare.

    So as great as it is to get this ultra XIII stuff. It really doesn't help the veteran toons at this point in time.
    My alts may get some benefit from it though, as they are very poorly equipped at the moment.
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  • trennantrennan Member Posts: 2,839 Arc User
    edited October 2016
    They could have done this better. Those that have Mk XII gear could get a Reduction in Dil cost, by having the Mk XII piece to trade in as part of getting the Mk XIII version.

    Of course this hurts me. I'm still waiting for Cryptic to replace my Adpated HKG Impulse Engines Mk XII that magically transformed in to a White Mk XII Impulse Engine. Yes, I reported it. Yes, I listed it on the missing gear post. Yes that was right around two weeks ago now.

    Thankfully, I'm about 1 day out from finishing of my last T5 Rep on my AoY char. I've just been doing the 20 hour one. Takes longer, but then I don't spend more than 10 minutes a day on my AoY char. That and I have the the marks and all waiting on my KDF Char for when it's done.
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  • sunfranckssunfrancks Member Posts: 3,925 Arc User
    Going from Mark XII VR Rep set to Mark XIII UR gear of the same set will have no practical gain in performance.

    If you're that worried about it, wait until the next upgrade weekend, take your Mark XII VR to Mark XIV VR and be done with it. Things like Deflectors, Impulse Engines or even shields will show you no real noticeable performance difference. The only one that might give you a noticeable boost would be a Warp Core and only if you're able to hold sub system power levels high enough to benefit from the AMP Mod.

    If you really want to get the Mk XIII UR gear, fine.. you have a full set of Mark XII to use while you work on getting the marks, that should make any content you need to play easy enough, it's just a matter of time.

    If you don't want to re-grind for new gear.. don't. I think you're really overestimating how much of a boost you're going to get. For me, my main had so many Iconian Marks banked that I just replaced his gear, but for my Alts I just left them with the UR gear they were already using. You're talking a 1-2% overall gain under the most optimal of conditions, don't sweat it.

    Sound advice!

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  • baudlbaudl Member Posts: 4,060 Arc User
    I read a lot of "we have to" and "you need to"... nothing says you have to get all your gear all over again. That just happens within your head.
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  • edrogenedrogen Member Posts: 202 Arc User
    Regarding the OP, it's a game, "You pays your money and you takes your chances".

    If you are worried that cryptic may adversely change something else in the future then I suggest doing nothing but hoarding your dil until the game closes, at least you wont be 'cheated'.
  • borg0borg0 Member Posts: 47 Arc User
    After playing STO from the beginning, I've learn that only upgrade stuff that r effective based on how you play. Some ppl have the tendency to upgrade everything they have on their toon, wasting valuable resources. Mmo contents r forever changing.
  • anyajenkinsanyajenkins Member Posts: 56 Arc User
    just use the dili required for build the Mk XIII to update the gear... and you still gonna have spare dilithium...
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  • trennantrennan Member Posts: 2,839 Arc User
    borg0 wrote: »
    After playing STO from the beginning, I've learn that only upgrade stuff that r effective based on how you play. Some ppl have the tendency to upgrade everything they have on their toon, wasting valuable resources. Mmo contents r forever changing.

    Wait.. I'm suppose to upgrade? The only thing on any of my ships that's upgraded is one Mk XIII VR crafted warp core. The entire game is balanced around the level 40 promotion ships, the skill tree and Mk XII gear. Which is why the T5 and T6 ships and the specializations make it super easy mode to play. The game isn't balanced for them.
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  • velimattialavelimattiala Member Posts: 111 Arc User
    You are not forced to, no. As you said pve content is balanced way lower than what is upgradeable.

    No one should get "freebie upgrades" to existing equipment regardless. It is/was a Limited time perk anyway (untill possibly revisited). If you weren't around to create an AoY you missed out completely.

    No reason to re-craft everything, just upgrade what you have. Costs way less dill allthough the quality bump to ur/epic is not guaranteed.
  • mustrumridcully0mustrumridcully0 Member Posts: 12,963 Arc User
    There is value to having things now, rather then something better in the future.

    You could use the Mark XII rep gear before you could use the mark XIII rep gear, allowing you to benefit from improved stats, set bonuses and the like. The time you spend benefitting from this item is not meaningless.
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  • lighte007lighte007 Member Posts: 390 Arc User
    You could have done the smart thing and waited until you unlocked the ability to use Mark 13 UR Gear. lol
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  • trennantrennan Member Posts: 2,839 Arc User
    edited October 2016
    There is value to having things now, rather then something better in the future.

    You could use the Mark XII rep gear before you could use the mark XIII rep gear, allowing you to benefit from improved stats, set bonuses and the like. The time you spend benefitting from this item is not meaningless.

    Oh I know that. Before I switched to KDF and stayed, I did play Fed. I have two fed chars from the pre-rep era. Both of them still have Mk X and Mk XI gear from back then. I just couldn't bring myself to part with those old Mk X kits.
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  • davefenestratordavefenestrator Member Posts: 10,664 Arc User
    No.

    We earned the benefit of getting a free upgrade for future projects, but this was a gift from Cryptic for playing a game that we supposedly enjoy (or why are we here? Hate-playing?). We are not entitled to more, we have no "right" to more, we don't "deserve" more.

    Even if Cryptic did this, the forums would still have whiners demanding they be refunded for all dil they spent upgrading their XII gear.
  • lucianazetalucianazeta Member Posts: 740 Arc User
    edited October 2016
    I don't want a refund, I want a turn in project, unlock the MK XIII Ultra Rare thing from the temporal recruit menu, and get a turn in project that allows you to turn in a MK XII Very Rare, for a MK XIII Ultra Rare, with aforementioned MK XII Very Rare gear being the only price for it.
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  • lucianazetalucianazeta Member Posts: 740 Arc User
    edited October 2016
    valoreah wrote: »
    I don't want a refund, I want a turn in project, unlock the MK XIII Ultra Rare thing from the temporal recruit menu, and get a turn in project that allows you to turn in a MK XII Very Rare, for a MK XIII Ultra Rare, with aforementioned MK XII Very Rare gear being the only price for it.

    So you essentially want a MK XIII Ultra Rare set of gear for free?

    For free? I worked my TRIBBLE off to get the unlock, did I not? Getting 9 reputation bars to tier 5, in my case, most of them without sponsorship, and, admittedly, getting the gear you need when you can get it.

    Sure, some people will say ''you should have waited then'', but I find that TRIBBLE, if I get that unlock, there's absolutely no reason why I shouldn't be allowed to turn in my old MK XII gear that I grinded and paid for on all characters, for that MK XIII Ultra Rare gear.

    The only reason Cryptic would deny that is to be a TRIBBLE, dangling the carrot in front of you while you run the proverbial 30 miles to finally get it.

    Also, your car analogy from your earlier post is flawed, in many countries, in many dealerships, you -can- at least get a sizeable discount by turning in your old model when getting a newer one.
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  • lighte007lighte007 Member Posts: 390 Arc User
    That Assimilated Console you could've got from Assimilated mission was the best thing ever. Now you can only get that console from the Reputation. Though I only ever got that one console on my main...
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  • cidjackcidjack Member Posts: 2,017 Arc User
    "Cracks wip"

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  • byozuma#0956 byozuma Member Posts: 502 Arc User
    By the time you did unlock those arguably better reputation items you essentially got your money's worth out of what you had made prior. Well, unless you waited till you maxed out that reputation before making anything... then I'd have to ask why you didn't wait. But I don't think that's the case here. Besides, this is a free to play game, the only money investment into the reputation system I can see is if you bought zen just to turn it into dilithium and that'd be silly. This isn't a mission or a fad, everything old is old.
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  • seaofsorrowsseaofsorrows Member Posts: 10,919 Arc User
    If you're talking gear on a Temporal Recruit, then you only have yourself to blame.

    When I leveled my Temporal Recruit, I knew that I was going to get that unlock eventually so I waited until I had all reps maxed before I bought her any rep gear. If you purchased yours early to avoid the wait, then it's all on you. I just rolled with mission reward Mark XII VR gear until I had everything maxed then jumped right to Mark XIII UR gear.

    If there is a Temporal Recruit running around with Mark XII VR Rep Gear then that's just a case of impatience and poor decision making. That's on you and no one owes you a thing. Sorry, but that's just the truth.
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  • trennantrennan Member Posts: 2,839 Arc User
    edited October 2016
    Like I said. I would have liked it, had they used the Mk XII UR version as the dilithium cost of the new MK XIII. It would still cost the appropriate marks, expertise, and EC. I would have even liked it if it was just used to halve the dilithium cost.

    But when all is said and done. On my KDF main. I have 3 consoles and an Impulse Engine to buy. While I have set pieces in other slots. They're all mission rewards. I don't use a two piece or more set of anything. Well I do on my KDF Sci officer. But I'm still working on reps there in general, so I'm not overly worried about it.

    Though it may just be the Impulse Engines. I know the Mk XIII VR upgrade doesn't work for consumables and kit modules. I am not sure as to whether, or not, the upgrade applies to consoles.
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  • jaguarskxjaguarskx Member Posts: 5,945 Arc User
    No.

    We earned the benefit of getting a free upgrade for future projects, but this was a gift from Cryptic for playing a game that we supposedly enjoy (or why are we here? Hate-playing?). We are not entitled to more, we have no "right" to more, we don't "deserve" more.

    Even if Cryptic did this, the forums would still have whiners demanding they be refunded for all dil they spent upgrading their XII gear.

    I wonder how many people are going to demand a refund on T6 ships when T7 ships are released. Or at least a discount on the T7 ships. It's not a question of "if", but "when". I would guess at the earliest would be fall 2017. Stocking up on popcorn now in anticipation of the hate train threads...
  • sheldonlcoopersheldonlcooper Member Posts: 4,042 Arc User
    I glance at the bank and see 15 million refined and 5000 marks of each type for all 7 characters. Maybe I'll get one or two things. If I've been good.
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