What you want is similar to what KDF and Romulan players want -- much more faction-specific content that is exclusive to their faction.
If the game had 10 times as many paying customers that might be possible, since then they could spend much more on creating content. Since STO is a relatively small MMO with a limited budget, they can't do that. Instead of creating 4 new story episodes for Fed, TOS-Fed, KDF, Romulans they can afford to create 2 new episodes that all of them play together.
If you win the lottery perhaps you could pay Cryptic to add a full TOS-only set of episodes. A lot of us would enjoy that!
Not entirely true. Romulans and Klingons have ships they can play at all levels. 23c characters do not. As I say, only half (if that) of my character is 23c if my ship isn't going to be.
The ships are there, you just don't want to pay for them.
What you want is similar to what KDF and Romulan players want -- much more faction-specific content that is exclusive to their faction.
If the game had 10 times as many paying customers that might be possible, since then they could spend much more on creating content. Since STO is a relatively small MMO with a limited budget, they can't do that. Instead of creating 4 new story episodes for Fed, TOS-Fed, KDF, Romulans they can afford to create 2 new episodes that all of them play together.
If you win the lottery perhaps you could pay Cryptic to add a full TOS-only set of episodes. A lot of us would enjoy that!
Not entirely true. Romulans and Klingons have ships they can play at all levels. 23c characters do not. As I say, only half (if that) of my character is 23c if my ship isn't going to be.
The ships are there, you just don't want to pay for them.
It's more like what OP said, he's comparing it to Romulan and KDF, who each have at least 1 ship for free upon rank up.
The problem is also that a TOS character ceases to be such post Caleb, they become a regular Fed character with cosmetic differences after that mission.
And pretty much what I said in my first post, OP wants what AoY/23rd century was never meant to be, it's a nod to 50 years of Star Trek and a starting point for the whole Temporal Agent/War story, not a true ''new'' faction that caters to 1 to 60 game play 23rd century style, and that's really what OP wants.
What you want is similar to what KDF and Romulan players want -- much more faction-specific content that is exclusive to their faction.
If the game had 10 times as many paying customers that might be possible, since then they could spend much more on creating content. Since STO is a relatively small MMO with a limited budget, they can't do that. Instead of creating 4 new story episodes for Fed, TOS-Fed, KDF, Romulans they can afford to create 2 new episodes that all of them play together.
If you win the lottery perhaps you could pay Cryptic to add a full TOS-only set of episodes. A lot of us would enjoy that!
Not entirely true. Romulans and Klingons have ships they can play at all levels. 23c characters do not. As I say, only half (if that) of my character is 23c if my ship isn't going to be.
The ships are there, you just don't want to pay for them.
It's more like what OP said, he's comparing it to Romulan and KDF, who each have at least 1 ship for free upon rank up.
The problem is also that a TOS character ceases to be such post Caleb, they become a regular Fed character with cosmetic differences after that mission.
And pretty much what I said in my first post, OP wants what AoY/23rd century was never meant to be, it's a nod to 50 years of Star Trek and a starting point for the whole Temporal Agent/War story, not a true ''new'' faction that caters to 1 to 60 game play 23rd century style, and that's really what OP wants.
exactly. and like Delta, they will most likely remove it after a time. but that's only my opinion.
You can get any ship you want. You just have to set goals and manage your time and playstyle to accomodate your choices. This will probably involve having more than 1 character. You can play them in different timelines and eventually just stick with the one in the 23c once you have gotten situated ship/gear-wise. Just don't expect it to happen overnight.
What you want is similar to what KDF and Romulan players want -- much more faction-specific content that is exclusive to their faction.
If the game had 10 times as many paying customers that might be possible, since then they could spend much more on creating content. Since STO is a relatively small MMO with a limited budget, they can't do that. Instead of creating 4 new story episodes for Fed, TOS-Fed, KDF, Romulans they can afford to create 2 new episodes that all of them play together.
If you win the lottery perhaps you could pay Cryptic to add a full TOS-only set of episodes. A lot of us would enjoy that!
Not entirely true. Romulans and Klingons have ships they can play at all levels. 23c characters do not. As I say, only half (if that) of my character is 23c if my ship isn't going to be.
The ships are there, you just don't want to pay for them.
Regular Starfleet players aren't forced to pay for ships. Klingon players aren't forced to pay for ships. Romulan players aren't forced to pay for ships.
This was advertised as "play a 23rd century character" but it's only half true.
truth. it's not really a 23c toon, but a Temporal Agent alt.
There's a similar problem with Romulan characters. See, once you join Fed or KDF you can't get just Rom Doffs, for example, you are shifted to your allied faction (Fed/KDF). Some other things happen like this with it as well with Roms. Once you accept the Alliance shift, it changes from the old Rom-only aspects to your new alliance ones. Not sure if you CAN do just the romulan aspects anymore, but those are some of the issues I've run into. but that's only an example.
What you want is similar to what KDF and Romulan players want -- much more faction-specific content that is exclusive to their faction.
If the game had 10 times as many paying customers that might be possible, since then they could spend much more on creating content. Since STO is a relatively small MMO with a limited budget, they can't do that. Instead of creating 4 new story episodes for Fed, TOS-Fed, KDF, Romulans they can afford to create 2 new episodes that all of them play together.
If you win the lottery perhaps you could pay Cryptic to add a full TOS-only set of episodes. A lot of us would enjoy that!
Not entirely true. Romulans and Klingons have ships they can play at all levels. 23c characters do not. As I say, only half (if that) of my character is 23c if my ship isn't going to be.
The ships are there, you just don't want to pay for them.
Regular Starfleet players aren't forced to pay for ships. Klingon players aren't forced to pay for ships. Romulan players aren't forced to pay for ships.
This was advertised as "play a 23rd century character" but it's only half true.
It is true, just not free if you want the fullest possible experience. It's still your choice though -- fly free current fed ships or pay to fly TOS ships. The content is there, just not for free.
Or as mentioned earlier: play another character until you can grind enough dil to buy the ships you want for free. So there is a third, painful but free option available but you probably aren't willing to do that either.
i don't agree that t1 ship is so bad, as i played with t1 ship till lvl 50, and i handled without problems enemies.
It could take 2 frigates without problem, even against 3 but then not so easy and in short time they would explode, while serious problem were been only battle ship and dreadnaught class starships, which would kill me several times, but at end they would be those who explode(of course after me exploding several times ).
But T1 Constitution can handle enemies without problem, its needed just to upgrade gear, and its not needed to have a UR or epic, rare and vary rare function just ok.
Tho i equiped it at begining with TOS phasers used superior tech upgrades, and now when my toon is lvl 55 he got some UR stuff, while other is very rare and 2 pieces of rare gear.
Tho by reaching lvl 50, pre-caleb TOS fed got unlock on event and lockbox ships, so i took a lockbox ship for further lvling to 60 cause pve-s, tho once he reach 60 i getting back on t1 Connie
and yes, pre-caleb feds can't use federation starship, they can use them only if they pass to future via battle of caleb, but if they don't and you lvl up toon without playing caleb, you can use only t1 connie till lvl 50, at lvl 50 you get unclock at event ships(tho chell gret isn't usubale) and of lockbox ships, only mirror don't work as they are faction specific(cause mirror variants exist for romulans, feds and klingons). While of c-store ships only temporal dreadnaught cruisers are usuable and lifetime reward ship, not sure about its name, but only those 4 ships can be usable.
But if you upgrade your gear by reaching new lvl, used gear is self sufficent for handling enemies, so just keep shields, phasers, torpedo, deflector, and tactical console up to date and there shouldn't be problem.
A series of "stock" 23c ships would be helpful (ie. not the store-bought ones), but ideally a ship might be made to level up with the character. I mean, Kirk didn't keep changing ships, he commanded ONE ship. Picard commanded one ship (well, until the movies), Janeway commanded one ship. Should we not also be free to command one ship?
This is the problem as i see it: You're a TOS that ended up in 25C space.
Your enemies tell you this, they fly, of course, 25C ships.
I mean, the D'DERIDEX and other ships you'll encounter, no matter how hard you try, cannot be seen as 23C ships, right?
So, how do you tackle that?
I imagine you already were confronted with "out-of-timeline-ships" to you, no?
Like Iconians said, it is admirable for you to push on, but the game, as said as well, was simply not made for this.
Begs the question...
Is it wise to continue down that path?
If I could I'd help you, but I do not know how...
Well, I could buy you a set of items, purple, and hand them over, if you like, but you'll find yourself back in the same corner eventually.
Throw me an ingame line: @kiksken, and I'll set you up with a good set of gear, should you want me to.
Otherwise... I am not the right one to talk to, I am afraid....
Klingons don't get drunk.
They just get less sober.
You can get any ship you want. You just have to set goals and manage your time and playstyle to accomodate your choices. This will probably involve having more than 1 character. You can play them in different timelines and eventually just stick with the one in the 23c once you have gotten situated ship/gear-wise. Just don't expect it to happen overnight.
Ok, here's a story.
I did eventually leave the 23rd century and moved on to do more missions. I'm Commander rank now, and took my Pioneer out to rescue the SS Azura.
About an hour to defeat the 4 frigates. The boarding action was nice, kind of fun. I was a little irked that I had to leave the injured crew lying around unattended (I'm a tactical officer) when I took a MEDICAL OFFICER with me. Escorted the crew to the transporter and beamed out.
Another 20 minutes or so to kill the enemy frigates, then the battleship warped in. Nearly 3 hours of blasting it continuously before I FINALLY defeated it.
That's at Commander level. What happens when I get to Captain? To Admiral? The tier 1 ship simply can't keep up, and I think it ought to be able to.
What difficulty were you playing on?
Because I have a hard time believing a level 2x in a t1 ship, assuming you -are- using level 2x gear, can have that much trouble with a few frigates and a battleship.
So, you're deliberately gimping yourself by not joining a proper fleet. And you're deliberately gimping yourself by insisting on flying a Tier 1 ship all the way through the game.
The title of this thread is correct. It's your problem. It's certainly not STO's problem, nor Cryptic's - they've given you the tools you need, you just don't want to use them.
(As for rank insignia - did we see a "Rear Admiral" in TOS? Because by TMP, the uniforms and rank insignia had changed - they wore epaulets on their space jammies.)
Anyway to the OP's problem-your in the Kobiashi Maru. The no win scenario.
As others have said, you didn't play thru the Battle of Caleb so your character can never progress thru the story as intended. You didn't buy the pack so you can only get ships from the Zen/C-store. And since you can't get to ESD you can't assign them anyway, even if you bought them.
Don't get me wrong, I was hoping for more from AoY also. I bought the pack with all those nice ships you can't use in the 23c missions. I was sorely disappointed in that. I felt totally ripped off.
So back to your point. Others have stated... create a new character transfer your stuff to the account bank(if available [starship interior]) and start again. Sorry but that, I believe, is the only answer.
@colonelmarik, it sounds like you are either still using balanced power or full power to shields. Try changing to full power to weapons.
The other thing that makes a huge difference at low tier is facing. Be sure both your front weapons are firing. If you are only shooting with one rear weapon it takes much more than just three times as long, because of the way shields recover.
I am another player who has taken tier 1 ships all the way to level 50, and it absolutely can be done without being as frustrating as what you are experiencing.
I know, I'm technically not supposed to keep on in the 23c zone, but that's kind of beside the issue.
The fact is, whether I stay in the 23c zone or not, I'm not able to carry on with my 23c ship. I'm forced into a modern ship (since the tier 1 ships can't compete), which kind of defeats the point of playing a 23c character.
A series of "stock" 23c ships would be helpful (ie. not the store-bought ones), but ideally a ship might be made to level up with the character. I mean, Kirk didn't keep changing ships, he commanded ONE ship. Picard commanded one ship (well, until the movies), Janeway commanded one ship. Should we not also be free to command one ship?
While I agree with the core idea here, it's just now how the game was designed. I don't like it either, but it is what it is.
I see two choices...
Wait and see what K-13 offers. The ships in the expansion were C-Store ships and perhaps they'll offer 'standard' ships at K-13. Of course you'll need a fleet and time for it to open up. Long Range plan.
If I were you, I'd go ahead and buy the C-Store ships or at least one or two. Their skins will work on one of the matching T6 ships at the end game so it's not a waste of money. You get to keep the TOS style. I'm doing this on all my Fed characters when they go on sale (whenever that is).
What happens when I get to Captain? To Admiral? The tier 1 ship simply can't keep up, and I think it ought to be able to.
You need build advice, and perhaps some gameplay experience. You should be able to smoke them pretty quickly, battleship included. 15 or 20 minutes for the whole mission.
Fleet, Fleet, Fleet, all I see are recommendations about Fleets.
Maybe the OP would like to enjoy the game like the IP promotes; one captain and his ship against the odds, very infrequently visiting a base for resupply or upgrades and then those are free in the IP.
I understand there had to be some changes in the IP to make it a game, but those changes shouldn't be looked upon as good changes, expecially the monetizing of what is represented as a currency free society.
Yes I know the game is an MMO, but that's not my fault.
Fleet, Fleet, Fleet, all I see are recommendations about Fleets.
Maybe the OP would like to enjoy the game like the IP promotes; one captain and his ship against the odds, very infrequently visiting a base for resupply or upgrades and then those are free in the IP.
I understand there had to be some changes in the IP to make it a game, but those changes shouldn't be looked upon as good changes, expecially the monetizing of what is represented as a currency free society.
Yes I know the game is an MMO, but that's not my fault.
All of that is possible if the OP would spend the equivalent of a couple of lattes from Starbucks, to help pay for the content he is playing on the servers that cost money to run.
Of course if you want to sponsor him by PayPal-ing some money for ships that's another option. Gene might stop selling IDIC symbols to the angels long enough to give you a thumbs-up.
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The ships are there, you just don't want to pay for them.
It's more like what OP said, he's comparing it to Romulan and KDF, who each have at least 1 ship for free upon rank up.
The problem is also that a TOS character ceases to be such post Caleb, they become a regular Fed character with cosmetic differences after that mission.
And pretty much what I said in my first post, OP wants what AoY/23rd century was never meant to be, it's a nod to 50 years of Star Trek and a starting point for the whole Temporal Agent/War story, not a true ''new'' faction that caters to 1 to 60 game play 23rd century style, and that's really what OP wants.
exactly. and like Delta, they will most likely remove it after a time. but that's only my opinion.
truth. it's not really a 23c toon, but a Temporal Agent alt.
yep. was referring to the fixed doff pool they originally draw from. recruiting is as you said. that's a different thing.
It is true, just not free if you want the fullest possible experience. It's still your choice though -- fly free current fed ships or pay to fly TOS ships. The content is there, just not for free.
Or as mentioned earlier: play another character until you can grind enough dil to buy the ships you want for free. So there is a third, painful but free option available but you probably aren't willing to do that either.
It could take 2 frigates without problem, even against 3 but then not so easy and in short time they would explode, while serious problem were been only battle ship and dreadnaught class starships, which would kill me several times, but at end they would be those who explode(of course after me exploding several times
But T1 Constitution can handle enemies without problem, its needed just to upgrade gear, and its not needed to have a UR or epic, rare and vary rare function just ok.
Tho i equiped it at begining with TOS phasers used superior tech upgrades, and now when my toon is lvl 55 he got some UR stuff, while other is very rare and 2 pieces of rare gear.
Tho by reaching lvl 50, pre-caleb TOS fed got unlock on event and lockbox ships, so i took a lockbox ship for further lvling to 60 cause pve-s, tho once he reach 60 i getting back on t1 Connie
and yes, pre-caleb feds can't use federation starship, they can use them only if they pass to future via battle of caleb, but if they don't and you lvl up toon without playing caleb, you can use only t1 connie till lvl 50, at lvl 50 you get unclock at event ships(tho chell gret isn't usubale) and of lockbox ships, only mirror don't work as they are faction specific(cause mirror variants exist for romulans, feds and klingons). While of c-store ships only temporal dreadnaught cruisers are usuable and lifetime reward ship, not sure about its name, but only those 4 ships can be usable.
But if you upgrade your gear by reaching new lvl, used gear is self sufficent for handling enemies, so just keep shields, phasers, torpedo, deflector, and tactical console up to date and there shouldn't be problem.
Your enemies tell you this, they fly, of course, 25C ships.
I mean, the D'DERIDEX and other ships you'll encounter, no matter how hard you try, cannot be seen as 23C ships, right?
So, how do you tackle that?
I imagine you already were confronted with "out-of-timeline-ships" to you, no?
Like Iconians said, it is admirable for you to push on, but the game, as said as well, was simply not made for this.
Begs the question...
Is it wise to continue down that path?
If I could I'd help you, but I do not know how...
Well, I could buy you a set of items, purple, and hand them over, if you like, but you'll find yourself back in the same corner eventually.
Throw me an ingame line: @kiksken, and I'll set you up with a good set of gear, should you want me to.
Otherwise... I am not the right one to talk to, I am afraid....
They just get less sober.
What difficulty were you playing on?
Because I have a hard time believing a level 2x in a t1 ship, assuming you -are- using level 2x gear, can have that much trouble with a few frigates and a battleship.
The title of this thread is correct. It's your problem. It's certainly not STO's problem, nor Cryptic's - they've given you the tools you need, you just don't want to use them.
(As for rank insignia - did we see a "Rear Admiral" in TOS? Because by TMP, the uniforms and rank insignia had changed - they wore epaulets on their space jammies.)
Anyway to the OP's problem-your in the Kobiashi Maru. The no win scenario.
As others have said, you didn't play thru the Battle of Caleb so your character can never progress thru the story as intended. You didn't buy the pack so you can only get ships from the Zen/C-store. And since you can't get to ESD you can't assign them anyway, even if you bought them.
Don't get me wrong, I was hoping for more from AoY also. I bought the pack with all those nice ships you can't use in the 23c missions. I was sorely disappointed in that. I felt totally ripped off.
So back to your point. Others have stated... create a new character transfer your stuff to the account bank(if available [starship interior]) and start again. Sorry but that, I believe, is the only answer.
The other thing that makes a huge difference at low tier is facing. Be sure both your front weapons are firing. If you are only shooting with one rear weapon it takes much more than just three times as long, because of the way shields recover.
I am another player who has taken tier 1 ships all the way to level 50, and it absolutely can be done without being as frustrating as what you are experiencing.
While I agree with the core idea here, it's just now how the game was designed. I don't like it either, but it is what it is.
I see two choices...
Wait and see what K-13 offers. The ships in the expansion were C-Store ships and perhaps they'll offer 'standard' ships at K-13. Of course you'll need a fleet and time for it to open up. Long Range plan.
If I were you, I'd go ahead and buy the C-Store ships or at least one or two. Their skins will work on one of the matching T6 ships at the end game so it's not a waste of money. You get to keep the TOS style. I'm doing this on all my Fed characters when they go on sale (whenever that is).
You need build advice, and perhaps some gameplay experience. You should be able to smoke them pretty quickly, battleship included. 15 or 20 minutes for the whole mission.
Best bet is to find out how others are doing it. Consider joining a fleet of folks playing the way you are.
Maybe the OP would like to enjoy the game like the IP promotes; one captain and his ship against the odds, very infrequently visiting a base for resupply or upgrades and then those are free in the IP.
I understand there had to be some changes in the IP to make it a game, but those changes shouldn't be looked upon as good changes, expecially the monetizing of what is represented as a currency free society.
Yes I know the game is an MMO, but that's not my fault.
All of that is possible if the OP would spend the equivalent of a couple of lattes from Starbucks, to help pay for the content he is playing on the servers that cost money to run.
Of course if you want to sponsor him by PayPal-ing some money for ships that's another option. Gene might stop selling IDIC symbols to the angels long enough to give you a thumbs-up.