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So... I created a 23c character, because I love the original series. THAT is the Star Trek I grew up with, and playing in that era is a delight.

However, I've now leveled to the point (doing the same three missions over and over ad nauseam) that I can no longer DO the missions, trapped as I am in a tier 1 ship. I can fly the Pioneer, or I can fly the tier 1 Constitution. NEITHER is capable of taking on multiple Romulan ships, let alone Na'kul ships, so I'm left with only one mission - Babel.

But, I saw a light and got a mission from Daniels at Galornden Core to defeat a doomsday machine. Ok, careful flying around had the machine killing off the enemy ships for me, so I was able to zoom in at full impulse and shut it down. On leaving that mission, I found myself in the 25c zone. So, I set course for Sol to see if I could get some gear to better equip my ship. It's still going to be tier 1, but maybe I could make it more viable.

However, I couldn't go ANYWHERE. I couldn't enter Sol, Sierra, Drozana, K7... not even Vulcan or Risa.

So, I feel I'm stuck. I want to play a 23c character. That was the POINT of creating him. Now, I'm stuck with precious little content, and content I can no longer DO because there's no way to improve on my ship. I know, I know. I can spend real money and buy a ship from the store. However, since I'm unlikely to be using that ship in the future (because I'll outlevel it), I'm not about to waste money on something I'm not going to be using.

Of course, there's also the fact that I am a STAR TREK fan, and want to carry on in the ship from STAR TREK: The Constitution class.

However, there's only the tier 1 ship, or the unicorn-rare tier 6 ship. Since I can't GET the tier 6 ship (and couldn't use it anyway, being a Commander), I'm trapped again in the tier 1 ship.

So what do I do? I can't play in the 23c zone anymore, and I can't play in the 25c zone unless I give up my 23c ship and setting.
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  • iconiansiconians Member Posts: 6,987 Arc User
    edited September 2016
    Let me see if I'm getting this right, because it's really late and I probably shouldn't be trying to post at this late an hour to begin with, so my mind is a bit fuzzier than usual.

    You created an AoY character, and you're doing the same 23c content over and over again until the enemies have scaled to the point they decimate your cute little Utility cruiser or TOS Connie, and you want to know what to do to continue playing in the 23c?

    Well, I'm not going to point out the obvious and say you aren't playing the game as its designed, since I'm pretty sure you know that's not how the game is intended to be played.

    Which is cool, since everybody should play the game their own way, no matter how unrealistic or unviable it is. You're pushing the envelope, and I can respect that on some level.

    So, how do you continue to play the game despite the intentional limitations you were never supposed to stay in the 23c to begin with?

    I have no idea, it's not something I've tried, nor have the desire to try. However, if you have access to your Account Bank (through your shuttle or maybe your bridge conference room), you could try pushing some Account Bound equipment into your Account Bank, and see if your 23c captain can use it.

    I've heard of people using their TOS Connie or Miranda to level 60, so the only way I think that would work is by upgrading all the equipment to your equivelant level and then just hoping for the best.

    But for the 23c it would require access to your Account Bank and getting that equipment on another character and smuggling it into the 23c. You'd still be dealing with other limitations, of course. But it's the only solution I can think of other than "Play the game as it was intended and leave the 23c behind"

    This goes for more than just ship equipment as well. Space traits from various lockboxes on the exchange can be used at any level, so if you could smuggle them to your 23c captain via the Account Bank, there are some very nice ones that might help your survivability or allow you to more easily demolish your 23c foes.​​
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  • wendysue53wendysue53 Member Posts: 1,569 Arc User
    Press J > look at your missions storyarc > start over if you have to, but be sure you have done ALL of the missions up to the point you are at > do the missions you missed.
  • mas134gluck123mas134gluck123 Member Posts: 302 Arc User
    So... I created a 23c character, because I love the original series. THAT is the Star Trek I grew up with, and playing in that era is a delight.

    However, I've now leveled to the point (doing the same three missions over and over ad nauseam) that I can no longer DO the missions, trapped as I am in a tier 1 ship. I can fly the Pioneer, or I can fly the tier 1 Constitution. NEITHER is capable of taking on multiple Romulan ships, let alone Na'kul ships, so I'm left with only one mission - Babel.

    But, I saw a light and got a mission from Daniels at Galornden Core to defeat a doomsday machine. Ok, careful flying around had the machine killing off the enemy ships for me, so I was able to zoom in at full impulse and shut it down. On leaving that mission, I found myself in the 25c zone. So, I set course for Sol to see if I could get some gear to better equip my ship. It's still going to be tier 1, but maybe I could make it more viable.

    However, I couldn't go ANYWHERE. I couldn't enter Sol, Sierra, Drozana, K7... not even Vulcan or Risa.

    So, I feel I'm stuck. I want to play a 23c character. That was the POINT of creating him. Now, I'm stuck with precious little content, and content I can no longer DO because there's no way to improve on my ship. I know, I know. I can spend real money and buy a ship from the store. However, since I'm unlikely to be using that ship in the future (because I'll outlevel it), I'm not about to waste money on something I'm not going to be using.

    Of course, there's also the fact that I am a STAR TREK fan, and want to carry on in the ship from STAR TREK: The Constitution class.

    However, there's only the tier 1 ship, or the unicorn-rare tier 6 ship. Since I can't GET the tier 6 ship (and couldn't use it anyway, being a Commander), I'm trapped again in the tier 1 ship.

    So what do I do? I can't play in the 23c zone anymore, and I can't play in the 25c zone unless I give up my 23c ship and setting.


    Ok its alright way to lvling TOS toon, but if you lvl up your weaponary how you level up, it should be sufficent, also Babel isn't the only easy mission that could be done in less then 8mins, as Painfull omens is also easy and can be done in less of 9mins with Connie.

    In case if you decide to stay in 25th century do a Deep space encounters, as exp granted is from 1,7k to 3,4k, whats nice amount, only problem is what you need decent warp core to catch it up on time.

    And yes you can't enter at Sol, Vulcan, Andoria, Sierra 39, K-7, Drozana, New Romulus, Battle group omega, Kerrat, neither do patrols or Red alerts, only deep space encounters at least in Beta Quadrant, but situation is quite diffrent in Alpha Quadrant.

    In alpha Quadrant you can go to Defera, Bajor and DS9, tho you can't go to Vlugta mine :/ and do colonisation chain in clusters, as TOS toon can't use fed doffs :(, so when you get in Alpha Quadrant only things to do are deep space encounters and Defera.

    but keep lvl up :)
  • storulesstorules Member Posts: 3,340 Arc User
    OP you can always join the rest of the world and just RP that you are in still on the 23rd century.​​
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  • tigerariestigeraries Member Posts: 3,492 Arc User
    SOL

    that's basically it. your only hope is if a GM can port you back to the 23C... otherwise... delete toon and start again. You shouldnt of taken that GC mission. Unless you leave 23C the correct way... you can ONLY play the 23C tutorial missions. Hope you have another 23C toon who has done the missions correctly to get the Event Bonus unlocks. Go visit a SB and deposit all your EC/Dil to the account bank/exchange and delete toon would be what I would do... had to do that myself when I got stuck on the ship due to bug with no way to get to the next contact.
  • officerbatman81officerbatman81 Member Posts: 2,761 Arc User
    So this is a perceived problem created by the OP himself. The game is not like the one he wants to play so he is trying to shove a round peg in a square hole. No solution here.
  • tigerariestigeraries Member Posts: 3,492 Arc User
    So this is a perceived problem created by the OP himself. The game is not like the one he wants to play so he is trying to shove a round peg in a square hole. No solution here.

    oh please... sure you can say that but it's also the fact that they billed this as an expansion and focused on the original ST... I for one dont really care much for the moden TNG ST... too clean imo. I much prefer OST. If there was a pure OST game I think it would be much more interesting... but that would need to be more RPG than 3rd person shooter as this game is.
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  • davefenestratordavefenestrator Member Posts: 10,865 Arc User
    Without a higher tier ship, it doesn't matter whether I'm in the 23c or 25c zones, I can't do the content - and there ARE no higher tier 23c ships. Oh, there are the ones you buy with actual money, but I'm not about to buy a ship I'm going to outlevel shortly. That would be a complete waste of money, and I won't do it. Thus, the problem may be simpler than I originally thought: I can't use my 23c ship at higher tier.

    Free to play does not mean you get every cosmetic option available for free. You get free ships while you level up, just not the ones you want.

    If it matters to you that much and you enjoy the game, consider supporting it.

    The level up ships are still useful at endgame as admiralty cards. And if you buy the big temporal pack you can look at it as getting the level up ships free.
  • nickodaemusnickodaemus Member Posts: 711 Arc User
    Without a higher tier ship, it doesn't matter whether I'm in the 23c or 25c zones, I can't do the content - and there ARE no higher tier 23c ships. Oh, there are the ones you buy with actual money, but I'm not about to buy a ship I'm going to outlevel shortly. That would be a complete waste of money, and I won't do it. Thus, the problem may be simpler than I originally thought: I can't use my 23c ship at higher tier.

    Free to play does not mean you get every cosmetic option available for free. You get free ships while you level up, just not the ones you want.

    If it matters to you that much and you enjoy the game, consider supporting it.

    The level up ships are still useful at endgame as admiralty cards. And if you buy the big temporal pack you can look at it as getting the level up ships free.

    People who devote their time to the game via gameplay ARE supporting it.
  • davefenestratordavefenestrator Member Posts: 10,865 Arc User
    Without a higher tier ship, it doesn't matter whether I'm in the 23c or 25c zones, I can't do the content - and there ARE no higher tier 23c ships. Oh, there are the ones you buy with actual money, but I'm not about to buy a ship I'm going to outlevel shortly. That would be a complete waste of money, and I won't do it. Thus, the problem may be simpler than I originally thought: I can't use my 23c ship at higher tier.

    Free to play does not mean you get every cosmetic option available for free. You get free ships while you level up, just not the ones you want.

    If it matters to you that much and you enjoy the game, consider supporting it.

    The level up ships are still useful at endgame as admiralty cards. And if you buy the big temporal pack you can look at it as getting the level up ships free.

    People who devote their time to the game via gameplay ARE supporting it.

    Not in any significant way, aside from adding a little ambiance for the paying customers. If you are not buying any zen you are not helping to keep the lights on or buy pellets for the server hamsters.
  • nickodaemusnickodaemus Member Posts: 711 Arc User
    Disagree. F2P is all about the metrics. If "whales" alone could have kept the doors open, they never would have gone free-to-play. They are esentially farming "time" from those who do not spend cash for whatever reason. This gives them a means to get more money from those are willing to spend it. Dil is the reward which people must have to make gear. It's why they never have increased the refinement cap, and never will; and why they control the market so closely. Look at where it was 18 months ago vs. now. I said it would eventually match NWO's Astral Diamond prices, and I was proven correct.
  • davefenestratordavefenestrator Member Posts: 10,865 Arc User
    I somewhat agree, and I almost mentioned that as the exception rather than just saying "in any significant way."

    F2Ps don't contribute income directly, but they do grind dil, mats, and tedious crafting that the whales then buy with real money to pay to play. The whales keep the lights on, but they might swim away if they needed to craft their own epic CrtDx4 AP beams.
  • wendysue53wendysue53 Member Posts: 1,569 Arc User
    I see both points and can say more for and against either. Here's the catch: Dil is used to buy zen from the exchange if you are F2P. But that zen is paid for by member players, who then placed it on the exchange to begin with. Cryptic doesn't add that there, so any zen in the game came from payment to cryptic somewhere down the road. I only mention this, since any for/against arguement with member vrs F2P always boils down to SOMEBODY paid for it in the end. At least they don't use Paid Advertisements during the game like some companies...
  • mustrumridcully0mustrumridcully0 Member Posts: 12,963 Arc User
    Well, can you not buy the AOY ships and continue with those?

    If you don't want to spend real money, you have a long time ahead with the EC Exchange and get yourself a T6 Constitution perhaps.

    Star Trek Online Advancement: You start with lowbie gear, you end with Lobi gear.
  • pobatti#7150 pobatti Member Posts: 43 Arc User
    wendysue53 wrote: »
    I see both points and can say more for and against either. Here's the catch: Dil is used to buy zen from the exchange if you are F2P. But that zen is paid for by member players, who then placed it on the exchange to begin with. Cryptic doesn't add that there, so any zen in the game came from payment to cryptic somewhere down the road. I only mention this, since any for/against arguement with member vrs F2P always boils down to SOMEBODY paid for it in the end. At least they don't use Paid Advertisements during the game like some companies...

    Exactly. If the game suddenly locked F2P players out, they'd be farming their own Dil since the option to just buy it from F2P players wouldn't exist. Sure, Cryptic could just put Dil on the Zen store instead - but that's not the real point. Cut the F2P players and player numbers would drop significantly, and people already complain some game modes are dead. Plus, the longer a F2P player plays the more involved he gets increasing the odds he may start buying Zen himself or still be playing if his circumstances allow him to play.

    In general the more players there are the better, and open games like this pick up new players all the time due to being free to play, thus they tend to last a long time which is better for everyone.
  • lucianazetalucianazeta Member Posts: 741 Arc User
    edited September 2016
    The whole point of the TOS content is that it's a little something, a little nod to 50 years of Star Trek, you're supposed to leave it behind at level 10.

    It was never intended to be played permanently, all the way to 60.

    As for not buying level up ships, remember, they're account unlocks, useful on every Federation alt, not to mention the consoles and admiralty cards.

    Also, the folks now yapping about F2P contribution/whales/paying customers, you are derailing the thread, stop it. >.>
  • wendysue53wendysue53 Member Posts: 1,569 Arc User
    edited September 2016
    yes, capt'n L.

    was tempted to mention what you just did. ah well.
  • nickodaemusnickodaemus Member Posts: 711 Arc User
    Also, the folks now yapping about F2P contribution/whales/paying customers, you are derailing the thread, stop it. >.>

    Sorry, but no.

    The discussion as it exists is responsive directly to the question asked & answers received. The OP needs to know some of the game's intricacies to understand why what they are doing is making life harder on themselves. Hopefully this will help them.
  • lucianazetalucianazeta Member Posts: 741 Arc User
    Also, the folks now yapping about F2P contribution/whales/paying customers, you are derailing the thread, stop it. >.>

    Sorry, but no.

    The discussion as it exists is responsive directly to the question asked & answers received. The OP needs to know some of the game's intricacies to understand why what they are doing is making life harder on themselves. Hopefully this will help them.

    His conundrum about wanting to stay immersed in a 23rd century environment has nothing to do with whales, F2P and who is or isn't supporting, or for that matter, what supporting is.

    He mentioned none of it, beyond his unwillingness to buy ships he feels would be of too short a use to him.
  • nickodaemusnickodaemus Member Posts: 711 Arc User
    When a person asks "why?" and people reply "because" they are not really helping with the OP's "problem." This is particularly true when they attempt to label it as "F2P begging" or somesuch nonsense. Your attempt to silence more thoughtful answers & discussion of the replies is what is *really* derailing things here.
  • davefenestratordavefenestrator Member Posts: 10,865 Arc User
    Also, the folks now yapping about F2P contribution/whales/paying customers, you are derailing the thread, stop it. >.>

    Sorry, but no.

    The discussion as it exists is responsive directly to the question asked & answers received. The OP needs to know some of the game's intricacies to understand why what they are doing is making life harder on themselves. Hopefully this will help them.

    His conundrum about wanting to stay immersed in a 23rd century environment has nothing to do with whales, F2P and who is or isn't supporting, or for that matter, what supporting is.

    He mentioned none of it, beyond his unwillingness to buy ships he feels would be of too short a use to him.

    We were explaining why he is not going to get special treatment for free.

    The game is F2P but every cosmetic option and luxury is not. Pay or use a 25th century ship. A simple choice.
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  • davefenestratordavefenestrator Member Posts: 10,865 Arc User
    What you want is similar to what KDF and Romulan players want -- much more faction-specific content that is exclusive to their faction.

    If the game had 10 times as many paying customers that might be possible, since then they could spend much more on creating content. Since STO is a relatively small MMO with a limited budget, they can't do that. Instead of creating 4 new story episodes for Fed, TOS-Fed, KDF, Romulans they can afford to create 2 new episodes that all of them play together.

    If you win the lottery perhaps you could pay Cryptic to add a full TOS-only set of episodes. A lot of us would enjoy that!
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  • jonsillsjonsills Member Posts: 10,559 Arc User
    Now you know why I dropped $130 on the special pack. TOS-style ships all the way to the end, TOS uniforms, and then they gave us the TOS bridge on the anniversary - Capt. Kevin Timeline's still commanding USS Time Bandit, a Paladin-class Temporal Battlecruiser with the skin of a Ranger-class Battlecruiser. (He was commanding the Temporal Dreadnought USS Aeon Flux for a while, but that thing's just too damned big to suit me.)

    I also have my Fed Klingon captain, K'tang son of Pt'ooey, flying a Gemini-class right now. Nothing quite like seeing a Klingon sitting in the center seat of a 23c Starfleet bridge...​​
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  • wendysue53wendysue53 Member Posts: 1,569 Arc User
    the truth is that they only wanted to 'touch' upon the 23c content, not build an entire game around just that. The actual point was a focus on Temporal Agents, not 23c. They just used that for a 'very brief' starting point and a bow-and-a-nod to the 50 year anniversary.
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