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Them Voth, tho

direwolf016#2451 direwolf016
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So, I'm not sure how bruised my ego should be, but I just got my butt kicked by the Voth...badly (as in six deaths)...during "Tower Control" (http://sto.gamepedia.com/Mission:_Tower_Control). Holy TRIBBLE, they were tough. I completed the mission, though, but man...

I tried a bunch of things too: my AntiProton resist was at 38.3, I tried different combos of cannons (inbetween deaths, that is), and even gave that damned Phaser Lotus a go--six bloody deaths just to blow up 10 of their ships.

And it ain't like I have that bad of a build: Quantum torpedo (MkXI w/ CH); Quad cannons (can't increase Mk, yet); Heavy Plasma cannons (MkXII w/ CH & AC); Piercing Tetryons (MkXI); a series of XII and XI turrets. Defensively, I'm using the MkXI Paratrinic shield.

Point is, it's not like I was flying in with generic phasers/cannons...

Anyone have any commentary on this? I know it says it highly recommends not doing it alone, which I (mostly) did...there were two other ships that showed up (looked like they were having it about as bad as me) for a moment or so, but still...I wasn't expecting it to be that crazy-bad.
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  • salazarrazesalazarraze Member Posts: 3,794 Arc User
    Console I'm guessing? I've seen a lot of console players state that the Voth are difficult right now which isn't a surprise considering that console players aren't well outfitted yet. Meanwhile, the Voth are endlessly curb-stomped on PC due to the players being OP. That zone is a multiplayer area and you may consider forming a team which will better allow you to complete those missions.
    When you see "TRIBBLE" in my posts, it's because I manually typed "TRIBBLE" and censored myself.
  • direwolf016#2451 direwolf016
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    Yeah, I gotcha. I'm getting going with the Reputation systems; but yeah, the Exchange is kinda TRIBBLE, right now, so have to rely on Ep-replays to refresh on good stuff.

    I mean, I got through it, and am moving on through the remaining story-Episodes, I'm just saying...holy hell.
  • odinforever20000odinforever20000 Member Posts: 1,849 Arc User
    direwolf016#2451 wrote: »
    So, I'm not sure how bruised my ego should be, but I just got my butt kicked by the Voth...badly (as in six deaths)...during "Tower Control" (http://sto.gamepedia.com/Mission:_Tower_Control). Holy ****, they were tough. I completed the mission, though, but man...

    Point is, it's not like I was flying in with generic phasers/cannons...

    .

    Hey hey now..Generic Phasers are ok..Might have to hit and run, pick ships off on the outside and work your way in (till you get help or slightly better gear). Dont forget ..Voth have immunity shields and The City Ship uses a form of feedback pulse, which will wipe you out with your own damage...

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  • snoggymack22snoggymack22 Member Posts: 7,084 Arc User
    edited September 2016
    The best tactic to use against the Voth, even to this day, is to cook them in their shields. Use radiation and exotic damage that will penetrate and bypass their shields and straight up cook them alive.

    That's how we did back in the day and that's how my Golfball of Doom (T6 Daedalus) does it right now.

    Back then it was all about using protonic stuff which not only did the cooking, but also had +Voth damage. These days there's a bit more bang for your buck from Temporal abilities and the like.
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  • warpangelwarpangel Member Posts: 9,427 Arc User
    The main thing you have to know about the Voth is this: When they put up the big shield that reflects your weapons fire back at you, stop shooting. Fly around to the opposite side (it only covers half the ship) or wait until it times out before attacking again.
  • brian334brian334 Member Posts: 2,219 Arc User
    edited September 2016
    Voth were tough when I first encountered them with a T6 ship and Mk XII + gear. It is their AOE attack and massive hull points which make them so.

    First, keep an engine battery handy for emergencies, and keep your other speed boosts such as Evasive Maneuvers ready. You must get out of the huge AOE cone before the weapon goes off, but remain mobile because one ship will target you, you will use evasive, and as soon as its timer expires another will target you. Engine Battery ensures you have at least one way out of that cone.

    Second, stay away from those green gas blobs. This is a mine attack, and it not only eats hull regardless of shield strength, but it immobilizes as well. These mines are very hard to see in the screen clutter, and so are the massive toxic clouds they create upon impact. In fact it was quite a while before I became aware of the green clouds simply because I didn't see them. Consider constantly drawing the Voth away from their spawn point as opposed to charging in for the kill. If you must fight at close range, try CSV or FAW as you enter knife-fighting range to knock out any nearby deployed mines before they explode and create that huge toxic ball.

    Third, the Voth work together, so divide and conquer. Hitting a ship on the fringe of their group is more likely to allow you to survive than taking them all on at once. Take out the support craft before you go after the main ships.

    Fourth, Tab is your friend. When a Voth ship puts up its immunity screen, shift attack to another target. You cannot damage that shield facing or get any bleedthrough damage while it is up. You can damage it from another angle.

    After I learned these tricks, my performance improved. I have repeatedly beaten Voth spawns without dying both in a T5 BoP and in a T5 Recon Sci, but one mistake and it's respawn time.
  • davefenestratordavefenestrator Member Posts: 10,697 Arc User
    Another thing is they will cast their own gravity wells and other SCIENCE! powers. Do not sit there next to the gravity well! It hurts! You can use Evasive Maneuvers to get some distance from the rift so it stops crushing your hull.

    Don't be too proud and try to sit in the middle of a bunch of them -- fight your way out and go after one edge of their group.
  • odinforever20000odinforever20000 Member Posts: 1,849 Arc User
    edited September 2016
    davefenestrator wrote: »
    Another thing is they will cast their own gravity wells and other SCIENCE! powers. Do not sit there next to the gravity well! It hurts! You can use Evasive Maneuvers to get some distance from the rift so it stops crushing your hull.

    Don't be too proud and try to sit in the middle of a bunch of them -- fight your way out and go after one edge of their group.

    Oh..yes..they also spam tykens drift (drain hazard)..

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  • kodachikunokodachikuno Member Posts: 6,020 Arc User1
    direwolf016#2451 wrote: »
    Anyone have any commentary on this? I know it says it highly recommends not doing it alone, which I (mostly) did...there were two other ships that showed up (looked like they were having it about as bad as me) for a moment or so, but still...I wasn't expecting it to be that crazy-bad.

    That area is meant for 3-5 players working together, if you solo you will die... a lot
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  • direwolf016#2451 direwolf016
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    kodachikuno wrote: »
    That area is meant for 3-5 players working together, if you solo you will die... a lot
    Well, I know that now... Luckily, I lose nothing for trying, right? =P

    davefenestrator wrote: »
    Another thing is they will cast their own gravity wells and other SCIENCE! powers. Do not sit there next to the gravity well! It hurts! You can use Evasive Maneuvers to get some distance from the rift so it stops crushing your hull.
    I learned that pretty quick.
    davefenestrator wrote: »
    Don't be too proud and try to sit in the middle of a bunch of them -- fight your way out and go after one edge of their group.
    That's what ended up working best... Luckily the Chimera's pretty quick for it's size, so I was able to and kinda squeak through the objective.
    snoggymack22 wrote: »
    The best tactic to use against the Voth, even to this day, is to cook them in their shields. Use radiation and exotic damage that will penetrate and bypass their shields and straight up cook them alive.

    That's how we did back in the day and that's how my Golfball of Doom (T6 Daedalus) does it right now.

    Back then it was all about using protonic stuff which not only did the cooking, but also had +Voth damage. These days there's a bit more bang for your buck from Temporal abilities and the like.
    Where do I find protonic weapons? I'm sure I could wiki it, but figured I'd ask.
    warpangel wrote: »
    The main thing you have to know about the Voth is this: When they put up the big shield that reflects your weapons fire back at you, stop shooting. Fly around to the opposite side (it only covers half the ship) or wait until it times out before attacking again.
    Not making excuses, or anything, but it's pretty difficult to do that on console, currently. I'm learning as I go as far as the nuance to the controls, but targeting isn't a smooth practice in the console version.
  • odinforever20000odinforever20000 Member Posts: 1,849 Arc User
    edited September 2016
    Protonic Polarons are in the Dyson Joint Command Reputation when you reach Tier IV...Probably dont need anytthing like that unless you want to spend the Dilithium..

    Voth are difficult (mostly due to them using like..all the science: Subnuke,ESiphon, tykens,Grav Well Feedback..)) but it only gets worse from here with Vaadwar and then the Iconians (Intel stuff can be particularly interesting if your not prepared for it)...

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  • officerbatman81officerbatman81 Member Posts: 2,761 Arc User
    Do they have LTS on console?

    Since your flying a 1000 day veteran heavy destroyer.
  • itpalgitpalg Member Posts: 340 Arc User
    brian334 wrote: »
    Voth were tough when I first encountered them with a T6 ship and Mk XII + gear. It is their AOE attack and massive hull points which make them so.

    First, keep an engine battery handy for emergencies, and keep your other speed boosts such as Evasive Maneuvers ready. You must get out of the huge AOE cone before the weapon goes off, but remain mobile because one ship will target you, you will use evasive, and as soon as its timer expires another will target you. Engine Battery ensures you have at least one way out of that cone.

    Second, stay away from those green gas blobs. This is a mine attack, and it not only eats hull regardless of shield strength, but it immobilizes as well. These mines are very hard to see in the screen clutter, and so are the massive toxic clouds they create upon impact. In fact it was quite a while before I became aware of the green clouds simply because I didn't see them. Consider constantly drawing the Voth away from their spawn point as opposed to charging in for the kill. If you must fight at close range, try CSV or FAW as you enter knife-fighting range to knock out any nearby deployed mines before they explode and create that huge toxic ball.

    Third, the Voth work together, so divide and conquer. Hitting a ship on the fringe of their group is more likely to allow you to survive than taking them all on at once. Take out the support craft before you go after the main ships.

    Fourth, Tab is your friend. When a Voth ship puts up its immunity screen, shift attack to another target. You cannot damage that shield facing or get any bleedthrough damage while it is up. You can damage it from another angle.

    After I learned these tricks, my performance improved. I have repeatedly beaten Voth spawns without dying both in a T5 BoP and in a T5 Recon Sci, but one mistake and it's respawn time.


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  • jorantomalakjorantomalak Member Posts: 7,133 Arc User
    you console jockeys think the voth are hard, your going to looove the iconians xD
  • odinforever20000odinforever20000 Member Posts: 1,849 Arc User
    jorantomalak wrote: »
    you console jockeys think the voth are hard, your going to looove the iconians xD

    Yup...

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  • foxman00foxman00 Member Posts: 1,518 Arc User
    odinforever20000 wrote: »
    jorantomalak wrote: »
    you console jockeys think the voth are hard, your going to looove the iconians xD

    Yup...

    The threads are gonna be awersome when they meet them :) Just like it was on these forums for PC when we first engaged them :)
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  • odinforever20000odinforever20000 Member Posts: 1,849 Arc User
    edited September 2016
    foxman00 wrote: »
    odinforever20000 wrote: »
    jorantomalak wrote: »
    you console jockeys think the voth are hard, your going to looove the iconians xD

    Yup...

    The threads are gonna be awersome when they meet them :) Just like it was on these forums for PC when we first engaged them :)

    Fortunately for the PC crowd..Intel had some nerfs BEFORE npcs got them...
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  • jorantomalakjorantomalak Member Posts: 7,133 Arc User
    foxman00 wrote: »
    odinforever20000 wrote: »
    jorantomalak wrote: »
    you console jockeys think the voth are hard, your going to looove the iconians xD

    Yup...

    The threads are gonna be awersome when they meet them :) Just like it was on these forums for PC when we first engaged them :)

    Im looking forward to the forum fires :)
  • snoggymack22snoggymack22 Member Posts: 7,084 Arc User
    Aren't those the Nakhul?
    jorantomalak wrote: »
    foxman00 wrote: »
    odinforever20000 wrote: »
    jorantomalak wrote: »
    you console jockeys think the voth are hard, your going to looove the iconians xD

    Yup...

    The threads are gonna be awersome when they meet them :) Just like it was on these forums for PC when we first engaged them :)

    Im looking forward to the forum fires :)

    I'm not. I constantly mistake console player posts for PC player posts. And I mean think about this ... combine that with my constantly falling for necro threads?

    60 days from those forum fires, is going to be a complete life in hell for me because it'll all be thread necros on console complaints and I'll be some doddering old PC player responding like they were made just yesterday!

    Aahhhhhhh!

    ;)
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  • jade1280jade1280 Member Posts: 868 Arc User
    Don't feel bad OP happens to me sometimes as well.
    Thankfull that tower control nonsense of a mission is generally over quickly and sometimes you get lucky with another player or two joining the battle.
  • smokebaileysmokebailey Member Posts: 4,668 Arc User
    Would Harpengs work?
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  • plaztikman64plaztikman64 Member Posts: 725 Arc User
    edited September 2016
    Target the largest enemy, pop a strong gravity well and watch its hull melt by exotic damage and warp core breaches of the smaller ships around. Send a torp spread with best regards to the remaining survivers, job done. ;)


    This also works with the citadel. With a proper build, it won't last seconds, also thanks to all the minions around it. This even bypasses the voth shield immunity though.
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  • bernatkbernatk Member Posts: 1,089 Bug Hunter
    "Two or more players are recommended to complete this mission."

    Anyways, I usually skip this mission.
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  • direwolf016#2451 direwolf016
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    Thanks for the input from everyone, so far; I'm not doing anywhere near as bad, at this point. The Undine were a bloody breeze, and I'm in Delta, now.

    I'm half-wondering if maybe my all-particle build might be hurting me. I thought I read somewhere that, with destroyer/escorts, in particular, that you want to choose a weapon-type and stick with it; but with my Chimera, I'm curious if I should go with beams, instead, or even a mix.

    By the way, are the Iconians just bigger/badder versions of the Voth, or is there more to them?
    officerbatman81 wrote: »
    Do they have LTS on console?

    Since your flying a 1000 day veteran heavy destroyer.
    Ja. Except, there's currently no subscription fee for either console version (something about Cryptic not wanting Xbones to pay for both Gold and Cryptic's monthly, which is pretty considerate of them), so it's currently more of a half-priced multi-bonus-content pack.
  • odinforever20000odinforever20000 Member Posts: 1,849 Arc User
    direwolf016#2451 wrote: »

    By the way, are the Iconians just bigger/badder versions of the Voth, or is there more to them?
    How you liking the Vaadwuar?

    What makes the Iconians worse than the Voth is the use of Intelligence (science friendly) specialty abilities such as the awesome all systems disable: Electromagnetic Pulse Probe,in addition to Polymorphic Probe Array (Viral Matrix console),Subnucleonic Carrier Wave,and Ionic Turbulence.
    Certain build types are better at handling them than others..but when you have a map full of em..It can get..interesting.

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  • dumas13dumas13 Member Posts: 281 Arc User
    The Vaadwaur have a few nasty tricks, but I find that Polarize Hull and being willing to fly towards a ship preparing the polaron volley gets you through ok since the projectiles won't detonate early. On the other hand, I'm not entirely sure if PH breaks that bloody anchor drone hold, though Evasive Maneuvers will if you have one of the skills from the Pilot Specialization active.

    The Iconian things I took the most damage from were the Baltim Raider gateway ramming shenanigans and having solar gateways spawn in spots I couldn't target easily (usually dead behind the camera). AoE powers and keeping a little distance helps with most of the other powers.
  • odinforever20000odinforever20000 Member Posts: 1,849 Arc User
    dumas13 wrote: »
    The Vaadwaur have a few nasty tricks, but I find that Polarize Hull and being willing to fly towards a ship preparing the polaron volley gets you through ok since the projectiles won't detonate early. On the other hand, I'm not entirely sure if PH breaks that bloody anchor drone hold, though Evasive Maneuvers will if you have one of the skills from the Pilot Specialization active.

    The Iconian things I took the most damage from were the Baltim Raider gateway ramming shenanigans and having solar gateways spawn in spots I couldn't target easily (usually dead behind the camera). AoE powers and keeping a little distance helps with most of the other powers.

    Best tactic on the anchor drone is to destroy it. I use it to lock players down for nastier stuff (can be launched while cloaked).

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  • direwolf016#2451 direwolf016
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    Would something like Science Team help against some of their tactics?

    I'm using a Tactical Officer at the UnvLtComm station; I'm thinking about using a Sci Officer, instead--curious if that'll help.
  • odinforever20000odinforever20000 Member Posts: 1,849 Arc User
    direwolf016#2451 wrote: »
    Would something like Science Team help against some of their tactics?

    I'm using a Tactical Officer at the UnvLtComm station; I'm thinking about using a Sci Officer, instead--curious if that'll help.
    Against whos tactics? Voth,Vaddwuar or Iconians?

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  • itpalgitpalg Member Posts: 340 Arc User
    dumas13 wrote: »

    The Iconian things I took the most damage from were the Baltim Raider gateway ramming shenanigans

    Using viral impulse burst as soon as you hear the activation makes for an interesting and funny crowd control. They go zooming out of range.


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