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If the Klingons had the Nerada for 25 years..........
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So in alt timeline Klingons capture the Nerada and its crew and hold them for 25 years until Nero magically escapes. If they had thet future tech for 25 years should the Klink Empire be a super power? Side note in normal timeline Star Trek 6 the Klingons exhaust there resources giving their fleet 50 years of life. Thus they had a peace treaty with the Federation. I'm assuming in the alt timeline same thing happens especially with the Nerada in their possesion. So maybe a story for the next movies? Or is this a plot hole?
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Reverse-engineering some very alien tech that's from a few hundred years into the future might take very long. Or it might actually be impossible if the theoretical knowledge (like singularity related stuff) simply isn't present at all. You need some basic understanding and sufficiently advanced theories for that to make a piece of equipment work.
l don't know.
l really don't know what l'm about to say, except l have a feeling about it.
That l must repeat the words that come without my knowledge.'
And they failed the "search for signs of Klingon intelligence" doff mission
Because there are non-Klingon worlds left.
There is if your mathematics lead to breakthroughs that let you slaughter your enemies better.
It's pretty much this hard to keep just one timeline intact. ♪
Although the Klingon's (albeit temporary) possession of the the Narada might very well have fueled Admiral Marcus's paranoia about Klingon aggression all the further...
1) Klingons only being warriors is an untenable modus to persist as a race. Someone needs to do the math, build the ships, the engines, etc. They do really *do* need scientists. So they probably have them.
2) In Star Trek (in the broadest sense) we way too often find tech that would normally revolutionize the world, but is equally often miraculously abandoned, for no apparent reason, or only used once.
I know they originally were going to have that in the movie, but it got cut. So does that even make it 'canon'? Cut scenes/plots/arcs aren't in the final product so ...
Borg tech is pretty dangerous and would be pretty uncontrollable in the comparitively 'low tech' of the Kelvinverse at the time (heck, supposedly the assimilated set we have is supposedly trying to constantly assimilate the ship)
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They probably took some tech back to their energy moon and blew it up.
That's why we don't let Klingons hold science ships
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
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If you accept that scans of the Nerada jump-started Fed tech, they've also apparently managed to match that rate of progress (which may explain why Praxis exploded earlier in the KT...). I'm sure you could cook up a timeline in which Klingon efforts to exploit Nerada tech resulted in them blowing up their moon earlier, killing any lead they might have had. OTOH they haven't had to go to the Federation for help.
Anyway, for anyone who doesn't take Klingon science seriously; just ask yourself where future-Janeway went to get her time travel tech from. That is all.
Same reason it did here.
I'm sorry mate, but how you run the marmite factories is just unacceptable ... You are ignoring standard health and safety procedures! and not only that but I've become aware of your access to future marmite production technology AND your sites in other realities!
I don't know what you're trying to do, but the Ministry of Marmite will not support your actions!
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
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When exactly did this happen? I know it was planned in the script and screens where filmed...
But it was cut from the movie. So it never actually happend in canon.
The only thing mentioned in the movie was the Narada was involved in an attack on a Klingon prison planet and the destruction of 47 Klingon Warbirds. (<-- Yes, Kirk said "Klingon Warbirds" in the movie...) But it was never said they were captured.
Spock to Kirk, as Kirk is about to hug him.
Star Trek V: "The Final Frontier"
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Klingon engineer: Hrm how does this work, lots of colorfull wires, the science geeks made a tech manual for these wires and how to defuse any traps.
<Klingon reads the manual then begins working on the wires?>
Klingon Engineer : Ok lets see i cut the red wire, blue wire , green wire , mean wire.....mean wire? , mean isnt a color
<the console explodes in the engineers face>
And this is a lesson in why klingons dont make good scientists...or engineers for that matter lol
Worf very proudly calls the invention of phasers the greatest achievement of the past 200 years in one episode. He is influenced heavily by the Federation but there is still glory to be found in the development of weaponry. Somebody has to make those bat'leths after all.
This was not in the Blue Ray I saw it from. Thus is not canon or part of the story. I watched the Blue Ray version in hopes they would have extras scenes. Like it told in the movie, they was not captured by the Klingons.
USS Casinghead NCC 92047 launched 2350
Fleet Admiral Stowe - Dominion War Vet.
I forgot that this topic was an exclusion that was bugging me, but I watched the first two Abrams movies before I watched Beyond, and they at least included a line where Nero said they were specifically waiting for Spock to carry out their revenge -- Nero's real beef was from a perceived betrayal by Spock himself. I suppose that makes more sense then them languishing on Rura Penthe for a quarter-century (of which is more like a decade in Vulcanoid years)...
l don't know.
l really don't know what l'm about to say, except l have a feeling about it.
That l must repeat the words that come without my knowledge.'
In the Kelvin Timeline they are a superpower.
Are the digital remasters of TOS Canon or only what you saw when they first aired? Or is the original no longer Canon?
Canonheads will let things go unanswered and fester for eternity rather than take what is available to them to explain things for the sake of purity of the holies. Yes, I know what CBS says is Canon (on any specific day), and even if official sources say something, that is not accepted (e.g., size of the Kelvin Timeline Constitution).
All of that does not matter here for our purposes. We can reasonably try to explain fictitious things with suitable closely related items of a fictional nature in the hopes of preventing some people's heads from exploding. We can then move on to the next Thread that brings up a topic for the umpteenth time plus one.
l don't know.
l really don't know what l'm about to say, except l have a feeling about it.
That l must repeat the words that come without my knowledge.'
Granted Star Trek has a lot of plot holes, but 2009 had an usual amount compared to most.
USS Casinghead NCC 92047 launched 2350
Fleet Admiral Stowe - Dominion War Vet.