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Enterprise-J's too big to fly; how about same design, smaller size for players?
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I know the Enterprise-J’s design is polarizing, but I’m in the group that likes it. I liked the idea of flying it on at least one of my characters, but always knew (and still know) its too big to work in game. So how about taking that design, shrinking it down to Galaxy/Sovereign size, and announcing it as the Predestination-class or some such thing (inspired by and destined to inspire the Enterprise-J’s Universe/Celestial/Whatever class)? I know there are close approximations, already in game, but that is the original. And the J does have its own style.
I’m not a game designer. I can imagine that this might take more work than I can guess to put it in game as a ship. And there are questions about whether the windows might look right when shrunk down. But it might work. And I can at least suggest and hope, and maybe the problems would be few or at least worth surmounting.
I’m not a game designer. I can imagine that this might take more work than I can guess to put it in game as a ship. And there are questions about whether the windows might look right when shrunk down. But it might work. And I can at least suggest and hope, and maybe the problems would be few or at least worth surmounting.
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Anyway, OP, I think the new 26th century temporal ships would be pretty much what you're after, since they're contemporary with the Enterprise-J and a lot smaller, as daveyny mentioned above.
the 4 engine one looks closer to the J, I think.
Agreed. The Paladin to me feels more like a 26th century nod to the NX in terms of shape and look.
I would love to be able to kitbash the T6 temporals - keep the class, just mix the aesthetics. I'd like one with the same kind of wide elliptical saucer as the J. The Saggitarius is closest in terms of how it is skinned, but the saucer is more conventional.
In terms of balance in the game yes, but in the show, I would imagine that advances in structural integrity and intertial dampener technology and the ability to manipulate the laws of space and time would mean that the J is a little more nimble than her size suggests.
Like that idea as well... and don't see it as mutually exclusive.
One thing I really wanted to see was the J's bridge... I must confess, although I have them available to me... I haven't used the temporal ships yet (been busy with my temporal recruit in her Konnie), so do not know what bridge layouts are available to them.
I'd like to see one with similar carpet and console style to the J, but I'm guessing it's just a standard choice or the Wells set of temporal bridges if you are lucky.
Exactly, I could see the J doing barrel rolls, like the Constitutions did in that Phase 2 episode involving the Doomsday Machine war...among other things.
Any ship, regardless of size can do a barrel roll in space. The crew would be unaffected. The ship would have no more stress than going up or down. There is no loss of lift, gravity or friction to deal with like a large plane flying here on earth where a barrel roll is impressive.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not a fan of large ships blocking the way everywhere (and I'm not that keen on the J design), but it might not be all that much larger than current playable ships, considering it's very flat.
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The saucer alone has the diameter of a small moon. It'd dwarf any player ship, although the flatness would make some ships (particularly Vonphs) look like they're capable of competing with it.
Infinite possibilities have implications that could not be completely understood if you turned this entire universe into a giant supercomputer.
I'll take my Tarantula to the mission when i get home to see the size.. hope someone else can do it before i do (i'll be at home in 6 hours), if not, i'll let you know
The Temporal ship pictured above is pretty close though.
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That sucks a little bit a sort of thought the J-class would have been cool to fly
I LOVE this idea. And each zone could have random enemies attacking it from different timelines, universes, and factions.
Like one time a zone would attacked by Borg, another Mirror Universe Ships, another Tholians, another, Rogue members of the Orion Synidcate from universe XYZ, another Gorn Seperatists, Another the prefederation Xindi, ect...
With the 3 big bads are massive tears in the space time, instead of Terran Empire starbases, Cyber V. Rexes, or Undine Planet Killers.
These tears in reality spit out waves of enemies and unleash blasts of random excess chroniton infused energy at allies and enemies.
You have to arm various systems for closing the massive temporal/space rift.
Maybe future Enterprises will use similar technology? On the inside, they might be several miles long, but the outside is only the size of a Defiant.
We don't know the limitations of the tech - is a subspace compressed field "stable" without energy source? I believe the subspace compression phenomen investigated by the Defiant worked like that. If not - what happens - does the outer hull simply get ripped apart as the interior reaches "actual" size?
If it requires energy and the interior gets crushed/destroyed, I would imagine that they'd build an exterior that could maintain power and be manned with the command crew, and maybe equipped with a very robust transporter system to contain the entire interior. If it just ruptures the exterior, it would probably be designed as a shell and the interior would have its own hull armor to maintain atmosphere and protect from radiation (or even weapon fire), which could mean a tiny shell would blow up and reveal a fully grown Universe Class Cruiser.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
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and now we know...the Tardis is Enterprise-Z
In the mission ragnorak last mission in future proof arc even the STF both have the enterprise J in it. And yes it is way smaller than intended.
I haven't played it but @tacofangs (the guy who built it ingame) says it's the 3.2 Km intended by the designer. If the guy who was incharge of modeling it and putting it in the missions says it's 3.2Km then it's 3.2 Km. He posted a thread with the pics of the raw model he made.
Edit Vitamin J. Other comments throughout these threads.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
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'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
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