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Many of you have messaged me wondering how exactly lockbox gamblers do it. So here we are, ask me anything about lockboxes, the market, etc!
Proof: http://i.imgur.com/od7kV88.png
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How can someone win that often?
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How do you do it?
Well you put all your keys and lobi crystals on one toon, then copy to tribble, then login to tribble and transfer all the loot to account bank and move to another toon, then you copy again the same toon with all the keys to tribble over and over repeating the moves, before too long you will have a full inventory like this, but it will be on tribble only....
Your father was captain of a starship for twelve minutes. He saved 800 lives, including your mother's, and yours.
I dare you to do better.
In any case many thanks for supplying the exchange marked with low priced lock box ships, whoever you are.
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I have no idea why though. You could make VASTLY more opening those boxes on any non-FED captain, and even if you wanted them for a awful lot of alts doing it as a ROM or KDF would still make you so much more money it would trivialize outfitting your alts.
Maybe some whale thought it'd be funny to flood the market.
In the attached and now closed reddit thread he claims that he and his associates have good knowledge about the rnd responsible for the drop rates. They do have so fed side more over kdf.
Also fed side seems to offer a better marked. It may be that the romulan and Klingon ships have 3 times the value. Still this is no good to you if nobody buys them for those factions.
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I am not sure I quite believe his story about that. But I can't quite discount it either, especially since he didn't seem to pretend he could do it for free - He's spending money on this - he just happens to earn enough that he can afford sinking a lot of money on STO.
1. his "proof" can be photoshoped.
2. his "proof" can easily be created on Tribble.
3. his "proof" is proof of nothing. He claims he gets 1/20 ships. The pic shows about 4100 opened boxes worth of lobi which would work out to 205 ships. So his "proof" does not prove that at all since it show no where near that number of ships. And since he could have tons of lobi in other inventories etc, he could have opened 20,000 boxes to get that number of ships. That's the great thing about all this. None of us really know how many boxes these guys truly open and they'll never give an honest answer or give any real proof. Addicted gamblers are quick to talk about when they're on a roll but stop talking when they're on a bad one.
4. It appears he says he's selling ships for real cash. That should be a red flag right there that he has ulterior motives.
5. His comment about markets and "email" seems to indicate he's selling ships to gold sellers for real cash. Another huge red flag that should make anything he says suspect.
6. The whole "time" related thing is just so much bull. He says he paid hundreds of dollars for that information (wouldn't be surprised if he's going to try and sell that info to gullible people). He goes on to say that you have to do it "just right" in order to get the fantastic results. So in other words, if you don't get the same results, it must be because you're doing it wrong. This is one of those things where humans look for and think they see patterns in random things.
The only thing that could possibly be true in there is getting multiple ships if the game happens to lag just as you get one. But even that's a big maybe.
You are right with rng, and I was lazy in my post. Thx.
I have no clue if this is true or not but since the whole thread was deleted on reddit rather quickly (think they have some policy of not sharing exploits) shows some merit to their claim.
Exploit or not, yea it’s still a business which can only been done at reasonable levels by high rollers with a respective financial background. They claim they figured out how to get a successful drop rate of ships down to 1:20. Pretty good but that is still 20 bucks for gambling where I come from.
One thing said in there I claim to be quiet possible is a relation between rng and server related lag. I don’t speed-click on lock boxes as I don’t gamble in STO (I only open boxes if I want lobi). Still I have literary opened tens of thousands of duty officer boxes from fleet to fill projects the past years. I was really surprised how often I got the very-same doffs in a row while speed-clicking. Happens all the time.
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the way he holds that Thing I guess it's very clear where he wants to shove it...
KDF: 2 tacs, 2 engs, 3 scis
KDF Roms: 3 tacs, 1 eng, 1 scis
FED: 2 tacs, 1 eng, 2 scis
TOS: 1 tac
all on T5 rep (up to temporal)
all have mastered Intel tree (and some more specs Points)
highest DPS: 60.982
And no, I don't know how he does that with what money and no, I don't get the logic either.
The OP says he averages 1 ship per 20 keys which is a pretty good rate to say the least. It's done by figuring out the timings when the server is going to generate rewards and opening boxes at 'the right time.' The guy didn't give enough details to tell anyone how to do it, but yes.. people can manipulate the system to win.
To be fair, he also said that getting it right is very difficult as it changes often. The OP also said on several occasion that he has spent 'thousands and thousands' of dollars to get where he is. The Kelvin Lock Box is the only one that has been 'self sustaining,' meaning that he makes enough profit off the sales to keep going without using money.
The good news is, this guy uses his skill to try and actually drive prices down. Instead of taking his vast wealth and buying up all the ships of one type on the exchange to re-list them at a higher price, he instead matches the lowest price. If this guy wanted to, he could single handedly push the price of the T6 Connie right back up to 700M. Instead, he's selling them for a 'low ball' price and moving them quickly. He's also given away ships to quite a few people.
Consider a coin-flip: H=heads, T=Tails.
H,H,H,H,H,H,H,H,H,H,H,H,H,H,H,H,H,H,H,H,H,H,H
Is just as likely as:
T,T,H,H,T,T,H,T,H,H,T,T,H,H,T,T,H,T,H,H,T,H,T,H
But, looks far more "random".
I don't know exactly how it's done, but I know that determining the best times to open boxes depend largely on the system messages. They use those fly in messages to help them determine when to open. It's not just that of course.. it's a ton of things and apparently is very complicated, but the messages are a key part of it. If Cryptic wanted to stop him, they could simply disable the system that tells everyone on the server when someone wins a ship.
That would probably stop him dead in his tracks. What is the point of those messages anyway?
Honestly, I don't really care if he sells to Gold Sellers, though I honestly don't remember him ever saying that. I don't use those sites, never have.. never will.. don't care.
To be able to do so on a reasonably certain level so that your investments weren't just wasted you'd need to be able to link direct to the servers and have almost instant reaction to open or not. Add in that nearly everyone suffers from lag of some sort and that even millisecond delays in net speed will seriously mess up your commands arriving at the right time I seriously doubt there's anything special to it. The game is working from a server in one part of the world and the data is bounced all over the place to get to/from his machine. Tiny delays in net traffic can seriously mess up real world financial transactions, and they are done using top of the line gear, i doubt he's got some special backdoor to the server.
There's just way to many variables and bits of the puzzle/code that he just won't have access to for him to have any idea how to manipulate the RNG or outwit it.
In my opinion he's just one of a minority of players who have way to much time and disposable income on their hands and has blown thousands on £/$'s on the game but tries to make it sound like he's not addicted to the whole thing by sounding like he's got some super-secret system.
The fact he's openly admitting to selling to those gold-seller scum bags shows to me he's not worth the attention. Sure he's bankrolling the game to some extent but only because he clearly has no idea of the true value of money and thinks blowing that amount of money on a game it sensible.