Despite the grammatical issue the summery i made is as follows
Mythical lizards have TRIBBLE
Gorn do not
Cryptic lets get creative and include gorn boobies
Hmm... naaah
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"No. Men do not roar. Women roar. Then they hurl heavy objects... and claw at you." -Worf, son of Mogh
"A filthy, mangy beast, but in its bony breast beat the heart of a warrior" - "faithful" (...) "but ever-ready to follow the call of the wild." - Martok, about a Targ
"That pig smelled horrid. A sweet-sour, extremely pungent odor. I showered and showered, and it took me a week to get rid of it!" - Robert Justman, appreciating Emmy-Lou
Alien biology doesn't necessarily adhere to the rules of Terran biology.
But it's no doubt heavily rooted in our understanding of things and so far Star Trek never made an attempt at fundamentally challenging those (aside from when the writing was obviously dumb/ignorant). Just because "it's alien" it can but shouldn't, from a writer's point of view, just "be this way". But that's just my opinion.
@ topic: Oh, I forgot, I very much would like, you know, actual Gorn to begin with. The lizard things in STO look nothing like Gorn.
^ Memory Alpha.org is not canon. It's a open wiki with arbitrary rules. Only what can be cited from an episode is. ^
"No. Men do not roar. Women roar. Then they hurl heavy objects... and claw at you." -Worf, son of Mogh
"A filthy, mangy beast, but in its bony breast beat the heart of a warrior" - "faithful" (...) "but ever-ready to follow the call of the wild." - Martok, about a Targ
"That pig smelled horrid. A sweet-sour, extremely pungent odor. I showered and showered, and it took me a week to get rid of it!" - Robert Justman, appreciating Emmy-Lou
for being one of the few people who played and enjoyed the Star trek movie game. they had some gorn that looked female to me. Just putting that out there
If female Gorn are just larger versions of the males, with more prominent head spikes, then my Klink toon's weapons officer is a lizard girl! Which concept I personally find amusing.
While female Gorn will very likely lack the endowments human males find so mesmerizing, there is a plus side: reptilian males have two penes, (called hemipenes.) So, there's some candy for those who may be into that sort of thing!
false, they nurse their young but in a different way. Even the Tyrannosaurus were close to their young.
Statements of how dinosaurs acted are purely speculation. We know how their hyper-evolved avian cousins act now. We know how the evolved forms of species in the same clade as their precursor species act now. We have no way of proving how any particular dinosaur acted. What we have on that is all speculation, some of which is based on observations of 100 million+ year old remains.
To say that Tyranosaurs were close to their young is a guess. What we know is that they did lay eggs in nests. We don't know that those nests were guarded. In the sole surviving group of the dinosaur family tree there is great variation in the care of the young. While many, (most?) nest and nurture their young, this is not always the case.
When we think of this we think of songbirds catching insects for their chicks, or chickens and ducks with their chicks and ducklings following their mother everywhere, mimicking everything she does. This is not a universal trait of birds. Think of the cuckoo, whose sole act as a parent is to lay an egg in the nest of another bird, then abandon the egg to be raised by the songbird. Great parenting skills there! Or how about the Australian Malleefowl? The males of this species spend their whole life building a giant compost heap into which its mate(s) lay eggs. He turns the compost, controls the temperature of the eggs by covering and uncovering them, and otherwise spends a great deal of effort to maintain his nesting mound. And neither parent lifts a wingtip to help the chicks once they start to hatch. From the moment these precocious young emerge from their shell they are on their own.
Perhaps Tyranosaurs simply used the nest of less intelligent dinosaurs, as the cucoo, allowing an unsuspecting dinosaur to raise them for her. Perhaps after eating the eggs of another species, the Tyrano-moms lay their own eggs in the nest, doing little or no nest-building of her own. Perhaps the young tyrannosaurs hatch simultaneously as do many living reptiles, and form a pack for mutual protection and more successful hunting, growing more solitary as they age, but never relying upon help from parents or other large predators. Crocodiles, for example, will guard a nesting site, and a mother will sometimes help the young hatch and protect them for a short time after they hatch, but within a few weeks these same moms are eating any offspring stupid enough to get within her reach. Perhaps that describes the extent of Tyranosaurus parenting. (I personally like the Ostrich model, in which the smaller male Tyranosaurs are the nest builders and guardians of the young, but that is simply my own guess.)
From this we see that extrapolation of dinosaur behavior is guesswork. Educated guesswork in the case of those experts who study such things, but guesswork all the same. The experts are often wrong. As an example, when I was a wee lad, back before computers were portable and when telephones were connected to a wire, it was commonly believed that tyranosaurs stood erect like a human. I was an adult before scientists began to insist that tyranosaur legs and hips were similar to those of today's birds. What we learned was a slow, clumsy scavenger with an ungainly walk is now thought to be a swift, agile apex predator. That too is a guess, but it is the best guess those who study such things can make from the limited amount of remains. It is difficult to determine what a species that existed over millions of years was like from somewhat less than 60 fossilized skeletons and a like number of eggs and other remains.
This should make it very clear that to even extrapolate the habits of a species not evolved on Earth is an exercise in futility. Gorn could be hermaphroditic. Gorn could be genderless altogether, reproducing via budding or some such process. They could even be members of different related species from the same world. Until some canon writer sits down and writes it, we have no way to know where gorn babies come from, or where they go once born.
Statements of how dinosaurs acted are purely speculation.
well, they don't come from me. I should have used the example of the crocodylidae familly.
This should make it very clear that to even extrapolate the habits of a species not evolved on Earth is an exercise in futility
if the dreams and the imagination are futile then yes. but i don't think so. For me the Gorn should use the parthenogenesis, like some other reptilian species
Alien biology doesn't necessarily adhere to the rules of Terran biology.
Most certainly not, and real scientists are speculating how alien life (especially "large" life, like animals, not bacteria and similar) could look and what is likely to be similar and what is unlikely from Earth.
As far as I understand it (which is "not very"), the only things we almost certainly will encounter, are symmetry and major appendices in numbers divisible by 2 - sorry Undine, protective outerwear (hair, scales, ...), and receptables for light, sound, and athmosphere, the former two probably also in multiples for 3D detection. How they would look would be completely different, especially "faces".
And mammaries. If aliens would direct-feed their young from their body (possible), it would most probably work differently.
My mother was an epohh and my father smelled of tulaberries
The principle of form follows function is universal. Though specific details likely differ. The basic concept of mammary glands is something that, like feet, could come to exist in multiple ways to accomplish the same task. It actually does exist in multiple forms in known life. The one constant is that it involves an organ that exists for the task.
Everyone is overlooking the fact that it's established cannon that the Preservers spread their DNA over the galaxy to direct the development of life to take their form. And through that DNA, all the species of Star Trek will have commonality if form and genetic makeup. This would allow interbreeding and certain traits to be common across all species, including TRIBBLE.
Everyone is overlooking the fact that it's established cannon that the Preservers spread their DNA over the galaxy to direct the development of life to take their form. And through that DNA, all the species of Star Trek will have commonality if form and genetic makeup. This would allow interbreeding and certain traits to be common across all species, including ****.
this idea in all the star trek shows is ridiculous. Us and the chimpanzees we share 99% of our genes, and our 2 species can't interbreed. how 2 species who have evolved on 2 different planets, could interbreed. ridiculous! the idea of the preservers are bs.
Everyone is overlooking the fact that it's established cannon that the Preservers spread their DNA over the galaxy to direct the development of life to take their form. And through that DNA, all the species of Star Trek will have commonality if form and genetic makeup. This would allow interbreeding and certain traits to be common across all species, including ****.
this idea in all the star trek shows is ridiculous. Us and the chimpanzees we share 99% of our genes, and our 2 species can't interbreed. how 2 species who have evolved on 2 different planets, could interbreed. ridiculous! the idea of the preservers are bs.
Except that the "DNA coding" that controlled the development of life is the explanation. It forced the development of the bipedal humanoid form, it certainly can force the ability to allow cross breeding for all species under it's control. Heck, it maintained a map in the genes of each species so that we could find the Preservers. I don't think with that level of technology that they couldn't do all those things.
I wonder if Gorn has their version of GOT
all the male Gorns got excited when they heard that
There may be some Gorn b**bies in next season Gorn of Thrones
That doesn't mean all are descended from the same source, though...
Only that the Majority are.
Except that as far as canon states, if the form of the species is bipedal humanoid, your are a child of the Preservers.
Not as such. It states that Vulcans (and Romulans by extension), Klingons, Humans, and Cardassians all descend from Preserver seeding. Others across the galaxy are implied, but not stated. It doesn't address hominid but nonhumanoid races like Gorn or Tellarites - that might just be convergent evolution.
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Mythical lizards have TRIBBLE
Gorn do not
Cryptic lets get creative and include gorn boobies
Hmm... naaah
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But it's no doubt heavily rooted in our understanding of things and so far Star Trek never made an attempt at fundamentally challenging those (aside from when the writing was obviously dumb/ignorant). Just because "it's alien" it can but shouldn't, from a writer's point of view, just "be this way". But that's just my opinion.
@ topic: Oh, I forgot, I very much would like, you know, actual Gorn to begin with. The lizard things in STO look nothing like Gorn.
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false, they nurse their young but in a different way. Even the Tyrannosaurus were close to their young.
Statements of how dinosaurs acted are purely speculation. We know how their hyper-evolved avian cousins act now. We know how the evolved forms of species in the same clade as their precursor species act now. We have no way of proving how any particular dinosaur acted. What we have on that is all speculation, some of which is based on observations of 100 million+ year old remains.
To say that Tyranosaurs were close to their young is a guess. What we know is that they did lay eggs in nests. We don't know that those nests were guarded. In the sole surviving group of the dinosaur family tree there is great variation in the care of the young. While many, (most?) nest and nurture their young, this is not always the case.
When we think of this we think of songbirds catching insects for their chicks, or chickens and ducks with their chicks and ducklings following their mother everywhere, mimicking everything she does. This is not a universal trait of birds. Think of the cuckoo, whose sole act as a parent is to lay an egg in the nest of another bird, then abandon the egg to be raised by the songbird. Great parenting skills there! Or how about the Australian Malleefowl? The males of this species spend their whole life building a giant compost heap into which its mate(s) lay eggs. He turns the compost, controls the temperature of the eggs by covering and uncovering them, and otherwise spends a great deal of effort to maintain his nesting mound. And neither parent lifts a wingtip to help the chicks once they start to hatch. From the moment these precocious young emerge from their shell they are on their own.
Perhaps Tyranosaurs simply used the nest of less intelligent dinosaurs, as the cucoo, allowing an unsuspecting dinosaur to raise them for her. Perhaps after eating the eggs of another species, the Tyrano-moms lay their own eggs in the nest, doing little or no nest-building of her own. Perhaps the young tyrannosaurs hatch simultaneously as do many living reptiles, and form a pack for mutual protection and more successful hunting, growing more solitary as they age, but never relying upon help from parents or other large predators. Crocodiles, for example, will guard a nesting site, and a mother will sometimes help the young hatch and protect them for a short time after they hatch, but within a few weeks these same moms are eating any offspring stupid enough to get within her reach. Perhaps that describes the extent of Tyranosaurus parenting. (I personally like the Ostrich model, in which the smaller male Tyranosaurs are the nest builders and guardians of the young, but that is simply my own guess.)
From this we see that extrapolation of dinosaur behavior is guesswork. Educated guesswork in the case of those experts who study such things, but guesswork all the same. The experts are often wrong. As an example, when I was a wee lad, back before computers were portable and when telephones were connected to a wire, it was commonly believed that tyranosaurs stood erect like a human. I was an adult before scientists began to insist that tyranosaur legs and hips were similar to those of today's birds. What we learned was a slow, clumsy scavenger with an ungainly walk is now thought to be a swift, agile apex predator. That too is a guess, but it is the best guess those who study such things can make from the limited amount of remains. It is difficult to determine what a species that existed over millions of years was like from somewhat less than 60 fossilized skeletons and a like number of eggs and other remains.
This should make it very clear that to even extrapolate the habits of a species not evolved on Earth is an exercise in futility. Gorn could be hermaphroditic. Gorn could be genderless altogether, reproducing via budding or some such process. They could even be members of different related species from the same world. Until some canon writer sits down and writes it, we have no way to know where gorn babies come from, or where they go once born.
well, they don't come from me. I should have used the example of the crocodylidae familly.
if the dreams and the imagination are futile then yes. but i don't think so. For me the Gorn should use the parthenogenesis, like some other reptilian species
My character Tsin'xing
Most certainly not, and real scientists are speculating how alien life (especially "large" life, like animals, not bacteria and similar) could look and what is likely to be similar and what is unlikely from Earth.
As far as I understand it (which is "not very"), the only things we almost certainly will encounter, are symmetry and major appendices in numbers divisible by 2 - sorry Undine, protective outerwear (hair, scales, ...), and receptables for light, sound, and athmosphere, the former two probably also in multiples for 3D detection. How they would look would be completely different, especially "faces".
And mammaries. If aliens would direct-feed their young from their body (possible), it would most probably work differently.
My character Tsin'xing
What do you call someone who records Gorn mating rituals?
A Gornographer!
did you see that big gorn ship in the TOS part of the game?
KDF: Dahar Master Kan (Borg Klingon Tactical)::Dahar Master Torc (Alien Science)::Dahar Master Sisteric (Gorn Engineer)
RR-Fed: Citizen Sirroc (Romulan Science)::Fleet Admiral Grell (Alien Engineer)
RR-KDF: Fleet Admiral Zemo (Reman Tactical)::Fleet Admiral Xinatek (Reman Science)::Fleet Admiral Bel (Alien Engineer)
TOS-Fed: Fleet Admiral Katem (Andorian Tactical)::Lieutenant Commander Straad (Vulcan Engineer)
Dom-Fed: Dan'Tar (Jem'Hadar Science)
Dom-KDF: Kamtana'Solan (Jem'Hadar Science)
CoHost of Tribbles in Ecstasy (Zombee)
this idea in all the star trek shows is ridiculous. Us and the chimpanzees we share 99% of our genes, and our 2 species can't interbreed. how 2 species who have evolved on 2 different planets, could interbreed. ridiculous! the idea of the preservers are bs.
Except that as far as canon states, if the form of the species is bipedal humanoid, your are a child of the Preservers.
KDF: Dahar Master Kan (Borg Klingon Tactical)::Dahar Master Torc (Alien Science)::Dahar Master Sisteric (Gorn Engineer)
RR-Fed: Citizen Sirroc (Romulan Science)::Fleet Admiral Grell (Alien Engineer)
RR-KDF: Fleet Admiral Zemo (Reman Tactical)::Fleet Admiral Xinatek (Reman Science)::Fleet Admiral Bel (Alien Engineer)
TOS-Fed: Fleet Admiral Katem (Andorian Tactical)::Lieutenant Commander Straad (Vulcan Engineer)
Dom-Fed: Dan'Tar (Jem'Hadar Science)
Dom-KDF: Kamtana'Solan (Jem'Hadar Science)
CoHost of Tribbles in Ecstasy (Zombee)
Except that the "DNA coding" that controlled the development of life is the explanation. It forced the development of the bipedal humanoid form, it certainly can force the ability to allow cross breeding for all species under it's control. Heck, it maintained a map in the genes of each species so that we could find the Preservers. I don't think with that level of technology that they couldn't do all those things.
KDF: Dahar Master Kan (Borg Klingon Tactical)::Dahar Master Torc (Alien Science)::Dahar Master Sisteric (Gorn Engineer)
RR-Fed: Citizen Sirroc (Romulan Science)::Fleet Admiral Grell (Alien Engineer)
RR-KDF: Fleet Admiral Zemo (Reman Tactical)::Fleet Admiral Xinatek (Reman Science)::Fleet Admiral Bel (Alien Engineer)
TOS-Fed: Fleet Admiral Katem (Andorian Tactical)::Lieutenant Commander Straad (Vulcan Engineer)
Dom-Fed: Dan'Tar (Jem'Hadar Science)
Dom-KDF: Kamtana'Solan (Jem'Hadar Science)
CoHost of Tribbles in Ecstasy (Zombee)
all the male Gorns got excited when they heard that
There may be some Gorn b**bies
ssssssh sssssssss ssss
Gorn With The Wind.
Gorn To Be Free.