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i'm all for 'authenticity' and so on when it comes to design.. but the EntJ's? I think that could've used a bit more time in the redesign phase...
quick image ref i dug up somewhere(credit to whoever did image in the first place): http://i.imgur.com/L9gqfew.jpg
Anybody else think it... (as politely as i can put it) "needs work"?
Granted it's not entirely cryptic's fault, but come on. :P
quick image ref i dug up somewhere(credit to whoever did image in the first place): http://i.imgur.com/L9gqfew.jpg
Anybody else think it... (as politely as i can put it) "needs work"?
Granted it's not entirely cryptic's fault, but come on. :P
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@tacofangs I hope you get a chance to make some more ships in the future. Maybe contemporaries of the Universe Class. It's a damn fine model even in the time constraints you had.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
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'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
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Which brings me to something that I've been wondering, when we are on the Enterprise J fighting the enemies there, my question is this. Is Captain Archer somewhere on the Enterprise J with Daniels at same time as us while we the players are fighting enemies on Enterprise J? I want to say yes though we never do see Archer with Daniels, I am just guessing though
True it could have been at any time during the Battle of Procyon V never know though, and yep its during the episode of Enterprise - Azati Prime when you see an image of the Enterprise J which as I said looks like the Enterprise J we see when us players go to the Battle of Procyon V in STO. During that Episode of Azati Prime you see Archer look at a wall and you see the image of the Enterprise J and Archer keeps moving back and forth on that image but its easy to get a good look at both sides and then form a mental picture of what it looks like
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It does seem that was the 'pre-TLF', post mission version when Daniels is okay again version of the battle. Time travel is weird.
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So, um . . . can you be a little less vague? What exactly do you think should be change
Sure! Daniels and Archer could be on board (somewhere) while you're doing your thing. Keep in mind that because science, Time Traveling Daniels might be in multiple places on the J at the same moment.
It seems to be a result of the Battle of Proycon V being weighted more and more against the Alliance - the battles getting rougher, as each mission with Daniels has another group joining the Envoy's forces, and his face in the timeline revisions in the Proycon V STF match the situation at the end of each mission, with more and more enemy faction groups joining the battle.
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It does need some specific changes, like the addition of a universal commander slot, a universal lt slot that can use all specs, a 5/4 weapons loadout, and a 3k zen price tag. Oh and access to all fed hull materials. And an "I win" console that donates five dollars to @tacofangs ' checking account every time you click it.
I originally put it down to that Envoy is Future Daniels in The Core of the Matter mission. Each time the timeline is changed, Daniels becomes uglier and more deranged until he becomes Envoy. However, Vorgon Conclusions ruined that theory.
Now I am thinking that Daniels and Envoy are the same person from two separate future possibilities. At the start, Daniels came from the most probable future, but as the timeline changes, Envoy is coming from a more probable future until Daniels comes from the less probable future. The looks is just a way to have a visible representation of this.
My observations on the J
The registry is kinda strech on the side of the saucer, seems to be too big, and the curve of the letters too pronounced. The borders of the saucer are on the thin side, they seems to be more rounded on the original. The aztec paneling need a different kind of normal mapping perhaps? as when the sun reflects on the hull, looks a little plain.
Thats my observations so far, love this ship and i love your work Taco, please take my observations on the positive side :
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A more likely theory about Daniels is that his active role at Procyon V causes him to sustain worse injuries as Noye gathers more allies and strengthens the TLF forces fighting in the battle... though why this undoes Noye's own disfiguration is beyond me. Alternatively, there are other battles behind the scenes causing these changes, battles caused or affected by the strengthening of the TLF.
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well now, i didn't expect this topic to explode like it did (walk away for a day or two i suppose).
Offhand? i'm guessing it's keeping with the era's design ethos, but the Nacelles, more specifically where they're attached to the Pylons?
like thus:
kiiinda just float there, like.. not very robust at all. I suppose there'd be some hand-wavy canon (or 'designer said so') reason involved... but, yeah
Like i said, for the design era that you guys are prolly working with the model itself checks out fine.. just how the nacelles look.. like they're sitting there, y'know?
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Well, as you said, that's how it was originally designed. Doug wanted his design to challenge what you believed was feasible with the physics of a starship, which was exactly what the original 1701 did for 60's audiences who came from the Rocket Ships of Flash Gordon & Lost in Space.
Three words explain it all " Floating Iconian Tech"
Still fond of it - what would someone from the age of sail think (or imagine) a modern luxury liner as?
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That's the point....cast aside the 'ape brain' and think bigger. Doug Drexler, as I do, would love to make a ship where the warp engine pods float, unattached, with the ship. I did a crude model in the 10 foreword section of the forums. The Iconians do that with their ships, they got a quarter million years in advancement.
Okay, Casting aside the proverbial 'ape brain' for a moment. take a goood look at the iconian ships.. i'll make a counterpoint here.. the floaty parts? look as though they'd meet up with the rest of the ship like, they could dock or attach to the hull but they're already attached via the proverbial 'invisible wires'
some of their parts look as though they'd move and pivot according to the 'attitude' of the craft itself.
Now, Drexler's design challenge is valid, but he also made it in a rush, had he -more time-, there would've been more refinement of any floating design elements.
Floating or no, things still need to.. "fit together" as it were.
Time leads to refinement, particularly when it comes to concepts. This is not "ape brain" thinking, but "creative mind" thinking, there's a slight difference in this circumstance, consider how many ships that have appeared throughout the star trek series that have had brief concepts vs more refined concepts..
To me the Ent-J is as much of a concept that needed(or needs) refinement as much as every single concept piece every Enterprise that has existed since Matt Jefferies first started to put together the USS Enterprise for Gene Roddenberry.
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