There is no "TOS faction." There just a bunch of newer Fed alts (because evidently Feds needed more numbers?). A handful of inconsequential, introductory, tutorial-grade missions doesn't make anything a "faction."
Using TOS as the backbone of their "expansion," if you can even call AOY that with a straight face, was a terrible idea conceptually. The fact that they actually moved forward with this idea, and this design plan is just kinda sad, and quite frankly, indicative of the distinct lack of creative vision from the top down.
It's been confirmed multiple times that there are more TOS missions past the first 6 and you do get to return to the 23rd century at some point.
We are talking about faction exclusive missions, of which it's been confirmed there are only the 6.
I'm talking about life after level 10 though. Because that's when a Romulan stops being "exclusive" and has to choose between Fed and KDF.
And that's when a Temp has to move into the current storyline.
So how many of the post level 10 missions are exclusive to just Romulans and how many are just rewrites of missions we can all play as another faction? Just because I have a different dialog box explaining why me and Hakeev don't like each other ... doesn't mean the mission itself is "exclusive."
When I did the count, I specifically skipped the all ground based arc, and the vault arc, I'll count all the post level ten missions when I get home.
It not a faction period. Its not even a subfaction, it a flashy new federation tutorial.
Seriously the Orions, Nausicaans, and Gorn are more factions then then Temporal Federation.
Seriously lets compare.
Ships:
Temporal Federation: I don't know if any of the new temporal or TOS ships are only for the Temporal Federation to use or if the regular federation can use them.
The Orions have for player characters The Daciot FDC, The Corsair FDC, the Corsair Retrofit FDC, the Fleet Retrofit FDC, and the Marauder FDC. None playable NPC ships are the Slavemaster FDC, the Orion Corvette, the Brigadand FDC, and the big mama, the Orion Warbarg FDC. They have small vessels like Armoured Marauding Force Shuttles, Orion Slavers, Orion Interceptors, Tachyon Drones.
The Nausicaans have for PCs The The Vandal Destroyer, Grumba Seige Destroyer, the Scourage, the Retrofit Scorge Destroyer, the Fleet Retrofit Scourage Destroyer, the Kalosi Seige Destroyer, and The Fleet Grumba Seige Destroyer. NPC ships include the Ravenger, Talon Battle Ship, the Syphon Frigate. Small vessels Nausicaan Stingers and power siphon drones.
Gorn have the Phalanx Support Vessel, the Draguas Support Vessel, and the Varanus Support Vessel, the Fleet Varanus Support Vessel. NPC ships include the Tautara, the Balaruas, the Vishap, the Ziliant classes.
The Gorn, Orions, and Nausicaans all have governments that are mostly self governing, but with much of their foriegn policy dictated by the Klingon Empire. Heck that's true for the Ferasans, Leathans, Trill, and Talaxians as well.
The Orions, Gorn, Nausicaans have their own troops, and unique cultures, their own home worlds.
The Temporal Federation is still just the federation, its not seperate at all.
Its like calling the Canadian Government of 1979 a different faction then the Canadian Government of 2016. Those are time periods, not factions, the interests of the Temporal Federation and the regular federation can never be opposed by each other.
Using TOS as the backbone of their "expansion," if you can even call AOY that with a straight face, was a terrible idea conceptually. The fact that they actually moved forward with this idea, and this design plan is just kinda sad, and quite frankly, indicative of the distinct lack of creative vision from the top down.
Have you lost your vulcan mind? This is the 50th anniversary year, all kinds of mainstream and media attention is on Star Trek in general and that is prime opportunity to make a play for new players. This combination of nostalgia for the original and a bone tossed to the new movies (hate them though many classic fans do, including me) is exactly what they needed to do. It makes a hell of a lot more sense than Cardassians or whatever that some people are whining for, which only appeals to fans of DS9 which was 20 years ago and forgotten by most of the mainstream.
It's a good thing the company didn't listen to you, or they'd have lost a huge chunk of money pandering to people who want to keep up with the Cardassians instead of classic and future Star Trek.
Case in point: None of this has anything to do with good game design.
Also, I didn't say anything about Cardassians, nice false dichotomy and straw man to accompany the rest of your inane, irrelevant drivel.
"He shall be my finest warrior, this generic man who was forced upon me.
Like a badass I shall make him look, and in the furnace of war I shall forge him.
he shall be of iron will and steely sinew.
In great armour I shall clad him and with the mightiest weapons he shall be armed.
He will be untouched by plague or disease; no sickness shall blight him.
He shall have such tactics, strategies and machines that no foe will best him in battle.
He is my answer to cryptic logic, he is the Defender of my Romulan Crew.
He is Tovan Khev... and he shall know no fear."
Once you're past that, they are literally just typical Feds but with old school TOS audio and visual special effects. The sad part, as with the KDF, the Roms, and now the TOS Feds, is that they will not take that and expand on it all.
> @snoggymack22 said:What are those missions? Are they part of the Hakeev storyline? That never struck me as very exclusive.
dude, open the mission journal see for yourself. everything except the nimbus arc and the romulan featured episode series is exclusive to the romulan faction.
stop asking everyone else to count things for you when you can just look at it yourself.
long story short, the rom faction got a hell of a lot more exclusive content than the TOS faction did.
It is a different style of Starfleet character. Different Tricorder, different transporter effect, and different bridge officer abilities if you actually bothered with using the account bank to grab the various abilities instead of heading out to the 25th Century as quickly as possible. Now if only those 23rd Century bridge officer abilities were available through some method for those that missed them and had more than just the first rank.
The TOS micro-faction seems to be the new style of faction that Cryptic is planning to go with. Cardassians, Borg Cooperative, and any other faction that can be tamed by the Federation is up for consideration. Just need a few missions, a few ships, new costumes, new abilities, new animations, new weapons, and a new social zone and we have a new micro-faction.
When I say that the Temporal Feds are not a new faction, I saw it not to bash it, I hear the new tutorial is nice, they put alot of effort into it.
I say its not really a new faction, because a faction would have some level of independance, maybe not complete indepenece, but some. The Temporal Feds and Current Feds are literally the exact same organization.
> @snoggymack22 said:What are those missions? Are they part of the Hakeev storyline? That never struck me as very exclusive.
dude, open the mission journal see for yourself. everything except the nimbus arc and the romulan featured episode series is exclusive to the romulan faction.
stop asking everyone else to count things for you when you can just look at it yourself.
long story short, the rom faction got a hell of a lot more exclusive content than the TOS faction did.
But I HAVE looked at my Romulan's mission journal. And most of it is SHARED content. Just the same old missions I've run on countless Feds. It's all tied neatly into the same old story arc that mixes in with the same old missions and ends up in the same old spot.
The Romulans have more exposition on Hakeev. They have more dialog related to Sela. They have more background on Mol'Rihan. Most of this "exclusive" stuff is just background details on why the republic does and doesn't work with the Tal'Shiar.
But it's all part of the same old ongoing set of arcs I've already run on my other characters. There's my time as a farmer. There's the tutorial. There's the big conference where I have to make a choice. Then there's some Romulan flavor added to the same damn storyline.
So here's my point: The "massive" amount of exclusive Romulan content is overblown here. Romulans always were a half-faction and still are. They're shoe horned into the ongoing "shared" story arc just like everyone else. The new temporal fed faction has less missions. But it's the same result. You just end up in the federation at level 10, and follow along that same path any other federation character follows. You're essentially right there with Cray from the Bozeman.
But I still think it's a matter of bias here that is pushing this narrative along about how great and massive the Legacy of Romulus was. It's also wearing some rose colored glasses that distinctly ignore the rabid forum rage that set the forums ablaze when the half-ness of the Romulan Half-Faction was fully realized.
I get it you know? It's always going to be fashionable to bash Cryptic. And I won't stand in your way. But really? Let's stop trying to convince each other that the Colliseum mission is EXCLUSIVELY DIFFERENT for Romulans than it is for Federation characters. You still have to choose a lirpa or a bat'leth or a sword and you still have to fight those worm thingies. No matter what.
And everyone was still super negative about what the Romulans DID get as Romulans back in the day. So holding LoR up as the gold standard of expansions after what I remember? Seems more than a little disingenuous to me.
this isn't even a new faction at all, AoY is just the same organization which is the federation. If this was actually a new faction it would be independent of the Federation with its own seperate missions/episodes that doesn't follow the episodes that we have already. I read somewhere on here in the forums that someone thinks that this expansion was rushed with bugs and I think this expansion is rushed as well, nothing but a money grab but then a lot of things in this game is a money grab if you want something from the zen shop
City of Heroes/Villains represented a good faction game. I say good, because it really felt different in more than one department, although the Nay Sayers will say all the buttons were pressed in the exact same manner, and more! They dropped at any rate the ball in the post-Cryptic era, in an effort to satisfy the "factionless game". That did not go so well for them, though. Although the Nay Sayers will no doubt point to other causes, because that's what they are hired to do. For free!
No point going all the way to fantasy games, although we're staying on the themepark side of things, for sure. Another child of the EQ branch this one ( STO ), because the offerings from the UO side of the branch, tend to live on as private servers only. Apart from the original, which still exists AFAIK, although corrupted by the ravages of time, and countless ( dubious ) intentions, drifting apart from the origins...
The point of a faction is to create something different, because we're not all into the exact same material. Even if that material lies within the same conceptual framework. AKA setting. I know it's a hard idea to process, but it is not like someone made up factions in order to punish people for being beholden to the most obvious parts of what was on offer, and never felt any need to go beyond their main investments, based on the glorious blue blobbiness they so very much enjoy!
But in this very specific case, when you can't deliver a faction, you should obviously call it something else. Or else people might associate it with something negative, which detracts from the really good times to be had with the real deal. For you never know. Such good times might be more than mere fantasy, even though it never was the part of your specific reality! Or perhaps it is all a big conspiracy, for that is always the superior way to circumvent facts!
Factions represent multiple entries into a fictional game world, now digital, once and still on paper, optimally granting you new perspectives and completely different narratives, personal origins, and diverging possibilities. Since some of this sadly had to take place inside your head, the transition to modern media has been slow. And given how modern media need to be fast paced, it has been slow to make fast changes in the areas promoting depth, but very quick to accellerate graphical capabilities instead. And when it comes to factional support and development, we very often go from initially good/great, to average and then abysmal quite fast, no doubt due to player interest, versus development times, versus income, versus the next shiny thing on the horizon.... and so forth, and so on.
They're quite amazing when pulled properly off though. So it is no less than my duty to say they can be fantastic. Perhaps not quite so here. But still... !
That's the metric we're dealing with here? If Cryptic can bust out 13 more missions and sprinkle them into two arcs between levels 11 and 40, then the entire debate can go away and everyone can comfortably compare AoY to LoR in terms how half a half-faction the new half-faction is?
Thank the great bird of the galaxy we FINALLY have a number to pin a definition on for satisfactory faction exclusivity!
13 it is.
AoY falls short by 13 missions and as such is a complete and total failure!
Thanks for enlightening me. I'm off to fight the battle of procyon 5 before re-running Time and Tide on my Fed, Romulan and Klingon to help gear up every single one of them with new stuff for their Temporal vessels.
> @snoggymack22 said:What are those missions? Are they part of the Hakeev storyline? That never struck me as very exclusive.
dude, open the mission journal see for yourself. everything except the nimbus arc and the romulan featured episode series is exclusive to the romulan faction.
stop asking everyone else to count things for you when you can just look at it yourself.
long story short, the rom faction got a hell of a lot more exclusive content than the TOS faction did.
But I HAVE looked at my Romulan's mission journal. And most of it is SHARED content. Just the same old missions I've run on countless Feds. It's all tied neatly into the same old story arc that mixes in with the same old missions and ends up in the same old spot.
The Romulans have more exposition on Hakeev. They have more dialog related to Sela. They have more background on Mol'Rihan. Most of this "exclusive" stuff is just background details on why the republic does and doesn't work with the Tal'Shiar.
But it's all part of the same old ongoing set of arcs I've already run on my other characters. There's my time as a farmer. There's the tutorial. There's the big conference where I have to make a choice. Then there's some Romulan flavor added to the same damn storyline.
So here's my point: The "massive" amount of exclusive Romulan content is overblown here. Romulans always were a half-faction and still are. They're shoe horned into the ongoing "shared" story arc just like everyone else. The new temporal fed faction has less missions. But it's the same result. You just end up in the federation at level 10, and follow along that same path any other federation character follows. You're essentially right there with Cray from the Bozeman.
But I still think it's a matter of bias here that is pushing this narrative along about how great and massive the Legacy of Romulus was. It's also wearing some rose colored glasses that distinctly ignore the rabid forum rage that set the forums ablaze when the half-ness of the Romulan Half-Faction was fully realized.
I get it you know? It's always going to be fashionable to bash Cryptic. And I won't stand in your way. But really? Let's stop trying to convince each other that the Colliseum mission is EXCLUSIVELY DIFFERENT for Romulans than it is for Federation characters. You still have to choose a lirpa or a bat'leth or a sword and you still have to fight those worm thingies. No matter what.
And everyone was still super negative about what the Romulans DID get as Romulans back in the day. So holding LoR up as the gold standard of expansions after what I remember? Seems more than a little disingenuous to me.
how about allies, in shadows and vengeance arcs, 3 more then tos. and I don't see any copy and pasted ones except Temporal Ambassador.
on a related note couldn't that be move to yesterday's war not related to that mission chain but it at least has something to do with time travel with the arcs it's in now do not.
if I stop posting it doesn't make you right it. just means I don't have enough rum to continue interacting with you.
That's the metric we're dealing with here? If Cryptic can bust out 13 more missions and sprinkle them into two arcs between levels 11 and 40, then the entire debate can go away and everyone can comfortably compare AoY to LoR in terms how half a half-faction the new half-faction is?
Thank the great bird of the galaxy we FINALLY have a number to pin a definition on for satisfactory faction exclusivity!
13 it is.
AoY falls short by 13 missions and as such is a complete and total failure!
Thanks for enlightening me. I'm off to fight the battle of procyon 5 before re-running Time and Tide on my Fed, Romulan and Klingon to help gear up every single one of them with new stuff for their Temporal vessels.
Bro, you completely missed the point.
It isn't just the 13 missions, it is the fact that Geko lied.
He said the TOS faction is AT LEAST as much of a faction
as the Romulans. It's not. If he hadn't lied, that wouldn't
be that big of a deal.
By the way, this entire new expansion is only 10 missions.
So while you make light of 13 missions remember that that is
3 more missions than the ENTIRE expansion we just got.
City of Heroes/Villains represented a good faction game.
I feel like Everquest had much more distinctive factions than any game Cryptic ever made.
But at the end of the day, the actual gameplay experience people are seeking here is far more akin to World of Warcraft. The Races, starting locations and storylines were all distinct be it orc, troll, dwarf, tauren, human, night elf. You had a massive world. And different stories driving you to the end of the levelling journey when you all eventually met up.
That's what people here keep WISHING STO had and did.
It never has done that, but it's still the backbone of this entire debate and has been for years. It's what fueled part of the rage over the "half" faction of the Romulans. It's what consistently adds to the feeling of unfair treatment of the KDF in threads about that. People expect STO to function more like warcraft in that way. Even though it never could, never has and the developers have been pretty up front about the faction system in this game never being able to do that in the future either.
Anyways, AoY remains 13 missions short of a half faction. And thus remains a complete failure! And the players hate it!
I'm one of those guys that's absolutely in love with this expansion and even I agree that this is not at all "at least as much a faction" as the Republic. That statement is only somewhat true insofar as you're forced to join one of the two main factions at level ten, and it even managed to fall short of that low bar by not even offering a choice as to which faction.
I wouldn't go so far as to say he intentionally outright lied or anything, but he was definitely talking out his aft at the very least.
Good. This game literally CANNOT support more factions. It doesn't cope well with the factions it has. I say this a player with Romulan Main: NO MORE FACTIONS.
This "alternate origin" for Feds is great and I hope we see more of them, whether its a Gorn-centric start for KDF, a 6-mission "Reman Revolution" that dovetails into the existing Romulan assets with a handful of alternative dialogs, or even another Federation origins in the Kelvin Timeline (which you'd better strap in for, because if the TV series goes KT, its DONE DEAL there'll be a STO origin to match...).
It isn't just the 13 missions, it is the fact that Geko lied.
If your point was to bash Geko, you could have picked any number of other things he's said over the years. I really hope that wasn't your whole reason for this.
It isn't just the 13 missions, it is the fact that Geko lied.
He said the TOS faction is AT LEAST as much of a faction
as the Romulans. It's not. If he hadn't lied, that wouldn't
be that big of a deal.
Big words. And I actually agree with Geko (who said that?!) for a change. Seriously, TOS faction can be said to be as much a faction as the Romulans are: either you don't see 'em as a faction at all, or factions inherently allied to others. It's just word-play. For you to say Geko flat-out 'lied,' at least, is way over-the-top.
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Using TOS as the backbone of their "expansion," if you can even call AOY that with a straight face, was a terrible idea conceptually. The fact that they actually moved forward with this idea, and this design plan is just kinda sad, and quite frankly, indicative of the distinct lack of creative vision from the top down.
When I did the count, I specifically skipped the all ground based arc, and the vault arc, I'll count all the post level ten missions when I get home.
Seriously the Orions, Nausicaans, and Gorn are more factions then then Temporal Federation.
Seriously lets compare.
Ships:
Temporal Federation: I don't know if any of the new temporal or TOS ships are only for the Temporal Federation to use or if the regular federation can use them.
The Orions have for player characters The Daciot FDC, The Corsair FDC, the Corsair Retrofit FDC, the Fleet Retrofit FDC, and the Marauder FDC. None playable NPC ships are the Slavemaster FDC, the Orion Corvette, the Brigadand FDC, and the big mama, the Orion Warbarg FDC. They have small vessels like Armoured Marauding Force Shuttles, Orion Slavers, Orion Interceptors, Tachyon Drones.
The Nausicaans have for PCs The The Vandal Destroyer, Grumba Seige Destroyer, the Scourage, the Retrofit Scorge Destroyer, the Fleet Retrofit Scourage Destroyer, the Kalosi Seige Destroyer, and The Fleet Grumba Seige Destroyer. NPC ships include the Ravenger, Talon Battle Ship, the Syphon Frigate. Small vessels Nausicaan Stingers and power siphon drones.
Gorn have the Phalanx Support Vessel, the Draguas Support Vessel, and the Varanus Support Vessel, the Fleet Varanus Support Vessel. NPC ships include the Tautara, the Balaruas, the Vishap, the Ziliant classes.
The Gorn, Orions, and Nausicaans all have governments that are mostly self governing, but with much of their foriegn policy dictated by the Klingon Empire. Heck that's true for the Ferasans, Leathans, Trill, and Talaxians as well.
The Orions, Gorn, Nausicaans have their own troops, and unique cultures, their own home worlds.
The Temporal Federation is still just the federation, its not seperate at all.
Its like calling the Canadian Government of 1979 a different faction then the Canadian Government of 2016. Those are time periods, not factions, the interests of the Temporal Federation and the regular federation can never be opposed by each other.
I no, right?! :P
Case in point: None of this has anything to do with good game design.
Also, I didn't say anything about Cardassians, nice false dichotomy and straw man to accompany the rest of your inane, irrelevant drivel.
"He shall be my finest warrior, this generic man who was forced upon me.
Like a badass I shall make him look, and in the furnace of war I shall forge him.
he shall be of iron will and steely sinew.
In great armour I shall clad him and with the mightiest weapons he shall be armed.
He will be untouched by plague or disease; no sickness shall blight him.
He shall have such tactics, strategies and machines that no foe will best him in battle.
He is my answer to cryptic logic, he is the Defender of my Romulan Crew.
He is Tovan Khev... and he shall know no fear."
TOS visual / audio effects
Tutorial (well done, I have to admit)
Once you're past that, they are literally just typical Feds but with old school TOS audio and visual special effects. The sad part, as with the KDF, the Roms, and now the TOS Feds, is that they will not take that and expand on it all.
romulans get at least a dozen faction exclusive missions AFTER level 10, AFTER joining the fed/kdf faction.
how many exclusive missions do the TOS faction get after level 10? none. zero.
What are those missions? Are they part of the Hakeev storyline? That never struck me as very exclusive.
dude, open the mission journal see for yourself. everything except the nimbus arc and the romulan featured episode series is exclusive to the romulan faction.
stop asking everyone else to count things for you when you can just look at it yourself.
long story short, the rom faction got a hell of a lot more exclusive content than the TOS faction did.
The TOS micro-faction seems to be the new style of faction that Cryptic is planning to go with. Cardassians, Borg Cooperative, and any other faction that can be tamed by the Federation is up for consideration. Just need a few missions, a few ships, new costumes, new abilities, new animations, new weapons, and a new social zone and we have a new micro-faction.
I say its not really a new faction, because a faction would have some level of independance, maybe not complete indepenece, but some. The Temporal Feds and Current Feds are literally the exact same organization.
But I HAVE looked at my Romulan's mission journal. And most of it is SHARED content. Just the same old missions I've run on countless Feds. It's all tied neatly into the same old story arc that mixes in with the same old missions and ends up in the same old spot.
The Romulans have more exposition on Hakeev. They have more dialog related to Sela. They have more background on Mol'Rihan. Most of this "exclusive" stuff is just background details on why the republic does and doesn't work with the Tal'Shiar.
But it's all part of the same old ongoing set of arcs I've already run on my other characters. There's my time as a farmer. There's the tutorial. There's the big conference where I have to make a choice. Then there's some Romulan flavor added to the same damn storyline.
So here's my point: The "massive" amount of exclusive Romulan content is overblown here. Romulans always were a half-faction and still are. They're shoe horned into the ongoing "shared" story arc just like everyone else. The new temporal fed faction has less missions. But it's the same result. You just end up in the federation at level 10, and follow along that same path any other federation character follows. You're essentially right there with Cray from the Bozeman.
But I still think it's a matter of bias here that is pushing this narrative along about how great and massive the Legacy of Romulus was. It's also wearing some rose colored glasses that distinctly ignore the rabid forum rage that set the forums ablaze when the half-ness of the Romulan Half-Faction was fully realized.
I get it you know? It's always going to be fashionable to bash Cryptic. And I won't stand in your way. But really? Let's stop trying to convince each other that the Colliseum mission is EXCLUSIVELY DIFFERENT for Romulans than it is for Federation characters. You still have to choose a lirpa or a bat'leth or a sword and you still have to fight those worm thingies. No matter what.
And everyone was still super negative about what the Romulans DID get as Romulans back in the day. So holding LoR up as the gold standard of expansions after what I remember? Seems more than a little disingenuous to me.
I have to jump in here, because now you are just spewing BS. Let's break it down:
first Romulan arc: all exclusive, you join the fed/kdf faction by the end. so far the rom and TOS factions have equal content.
ready to move on? here we go:
second romulan arc, named "allies": 6 missions, all Romulan exclusive. no other factions can play these missions
third romulan arc, named "in shadows": 7 missions, 6 Romulan exclusive. no other factions can play these missions.
there are a few more exclusives scattered in the next few arcs, but just with those 2 arcs above we have a dozen exclusive missions after level 10.
Either your game is screwed up and those arcs aren't showing up for you, or you are blind.
No point going all the way to fantasy games, although we're staying on the themepark side of things, for sure. Another child of the EQ branch this one ( STO ), because the offerings from the UO side of the branch, tend to live on as private servers only. Apart from the original, which still exists AFAIK, although corrupted by the ravages of time, and countless ( dubious ) intentions, drifting apart from the origins...
The point of a faction is to create something different, because we're not all into the exact same material. Even if that material lies within the same conceptual framework. AKA setting. I know it's a hard idea to process, but it is not like someone made up factions in order to punish people for being beholden to the most obvious parts of what was on offer, and never felt any need to go beyond their main investments, based on the glorious blue blobbiness they so very much enjoy!
But in this very specific case, when you can't deliver a faction, you should obviously call it something else. Or else people might associate it with something negative, which detracts from the really good times to be had with the real deal. For you never know. Such good times might be more than mere fantasy, even though it never was the part of your specific reality! Or perhaps it is all a big conspiracy, for that is always the superior way to circumvent facts!
Factions represent multiple entries into a fictional game world, now digital, once and still on paper, optimally granting you new perspectives and completely different narratives, personal origins, and diverging possibilities. Since some of this sadly had to take place inside your head, the transition to modern media has been slow. And given how modern media need to be fast paced, it has been slow to make fast changes in the areas promoting depth, but very quick to accellerate graphical capabilities instead. And when it comes to factional support and development, we very often go from initially good/great, to average and then abysmal quite fast, no doubt due to player interest, versus development times, versus income, versus the next shiny thing on the horizon.... and so forth, and so on.
They're quite amazing when pulled properly off though. So it is no less than my duty to say they can be fantastic. Perhaps not quite so here. But still... !
That's the metric we're dealing with here? If Cryptic can bust out 13 more missions and sprinkle them into two arcs between levels 11 and 40, then the entire debate can go away and everyone can comfortably compare AoY to LoR in terms how half a half-faction the new half-faction is?
Thank the great bird of the galaxy we FINALLY have a number to pin a definition on for satisfactory faction exclusivity!
13 it is.
AoY falls short by 13 missions and as such is a complete and total failure!
Thanks for enlightening me. I'm off to fight the battle of procyon 5 before re-running Time and Tide on my Fed, Romulan and Klingon to help gear up every single one of them with new stuff for their Temporal vessels.
how about allies, in shadows and vengeance arcs, 3 more then tos. and I don't see any copy and pasted ones except Temporal Ambassador.
on a related note couldn't that be move to yesterday's war not related to that mission chain but it at least has something to do with time travel with the arcs it's in now do not.
if I stop posting it doesn't make you right it. just means I don't have enough rum to continue interacting with you.
Bro, you completely missed the point.
It isn't just the 13 missions, it is the fact that Geko lied.
He said the TOS faction is AT LEAST as much of a faction
as the Romulans. It's not. If he hadn't lied, that wouldn't
be that big of a deal.
By the way, this entire new expansion is only 10 missions.
So while you make light of 13 missions remember that that is
3 more missions than the ENTIRE expansion we just got.
I feel like Everquest had much more distinctive factions than any game Cryptic ever made.
But at the end of the day, the actual gameplay experience people are seeking here is far more akin to World of Warcraft. The Races, starting locations and storylines were all distinct be it orc, troll, dwarf, tauren, human, night elf. You had a massive world. And different stories driving you to the end of the levelling journey when you all eventually met up.
That's what people here keep WISHING STO had and did.
It never has done that, but it's still the backbone of this entire debate and has been for years. It's what fueled part of the rage over the "half" faction of the Romulans. It's what consistently adds to the feeling of unfair treatment of the KDF in threads about that. People expect STO to function more like warcraft in that way. Even though it never could, never has and the developers have been pretty up front about the faction system in this game never being able to do that in the future either.
Anyways, AoY remains 13 missions short of a half faction. And thus remains a complete failure! And the players hate it!
I wouldn't go so far as to say he intentionally outright lied or anything, but he was definitely talking out his aft at the very least.
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This "alternate origin" for Feds is great and I hope we see more of them, whether its a Gorn-centric start for KDF, a 6-mission "Reman Revolution" that dovetails into the existing Romulan assets with a handful of alternative dialogs, or even another Federation origins in the Kelvin Timeline (which you'd better strap in for, because if the TV series goes KT, its DONE DEAL there'll be a STO origin to match...).
If your point was to bash Geko, you could have picked any number of other things he's said over the years. I really hope that wasn't your whole reason for this.
What we do have is better than nothing.
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is just fine.... never go full pakled
Big words. And I actually agree with Geko (who said that?!) for a change. Seriously, TOS faction can be said to be as much a faction as the Romulans are: either you don't see 'em as a faction at all, or factions inherently allied to others. It's just word-play. For you to say Geko flat-out 'lied,' at least, is way over-the-top.