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was Gecko right? is the TOS faction "at least as much of a faction as Romulans"?

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edited July 2016 in Star Trek Online General Discussion

was Gecko right? is the TOS faction "at least as much of a faction as Romulans"? 114 votes

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  • evilmark444evilmark444 Member Posts: 6,951 Arc User
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    You misspelled "No"
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  • nadiezjanadiezja Member Posts: 629 Arc User
    What is a faction?
  • snoggymack22snoggymack22 Member Posts: 7,084 Arc User
    It's been awhile. On my Romulan, at what level was I forced to choose between the two actual factions, Klingon and Federation?

    Was it level 10?

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  • sernonserculionsernonserculion Member Posts: 749 Arc User
    What do you get when you multiply a non-faction again?
  • evilmark444evilmark444 Member Posts: 6,951 Arc User
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    snoggymack22 wrote: »
    It's been awhile. On my Romulan, at what level was I forced to choose between the two actual factions, Klingon and Federation?

    Was it level 10?

    Even after Romulans pick a faction, they still have more Romulan exclusive missions to do. And a Romulan exclusive social hub.
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  • kitsunesnoutkitsunesnout Member Posts: 1,210 Arc User
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    In every way, it's not even half what the Romulans were and shows many signs of being rushed and incomplete.
  • farmallmfarmallm Member Posts: 4,630 Arc User
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    Not really cause I expected more Agent type work as you do missions. To compare it to a faction isn't the right wording. What it is really a Recruit event with a new starting story.

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  • nadiezjanadiezja Member Posts: 629 Arc User
    I'm not sure what makes a faction a faction. TOS gets an extended tutorial, a fairly unique look and feel to the game's UI, the nifty snow effect in their missions, and a unique starter ship. They can also, with some preplanning, stock up on BOff training modules and get some unique visuals for staple powers, including a faction-exclusove first-slot mortar. That's neat. A weird unique benefit, but neat. They also seem to be the only faction whose transporter effects normalize across their away team, which I like and wish was universal. I actually have a cool idea I need to write up for how transporter effects should work...

    They don't have unique endgame ships, which are what you spend the vast bulk of your time flying. They spend the vast bulk of the levelling process playing Starfleet missions, with few to no changes outside the recruitment event's additions. They get shunted to Starfleet fleets (I kinda wish they'd eliminate the faction split regarding fleets so I could work on mine while playing my KDF and KDF-Rom characters).

    So the question is, what makes a faction? What is a faction?
  • snoggymack22snoggymack22 Member Posts: 7,084 Arc User
    evilmark444 wrote: »
    snoggymack22 wrote: »
    It's been awhile. On my Romulan, at what level was I forced to choose between the two actual factions, Klingon and Federation?

    Was it level 10?

    Even after Romulans pick a faction, they still have more Romulan exclusive missions to do. And a Romulan exclusive social hub.

    Is it exclusive mission content? I thought I could play all of it, as a fed just the dialog is given from a Fed's perspective? It's all kind of mish mashed together into the storylines that were already there. And ends up becoming the Iconian War.

    How much exclusive stuff is there past the first 10 levels?

    And one of the largest complaints with LoR was, and still is, the fact that it's not a "real" faction since you're forced to choose Klingon or Federation.

    The big complaint that Temporal Federation isn't a real faction because you have to become regular federation seems to put the "half faction" thing on equal footing.

    So now we're at a part where we have to count number of missions. How many missions are Romulan exclusive, and ONLY Romulan exclusive after level 10?

    And would that social hub be the Flotilla? I think if we give the devs enough time they could probably figure out a way to allow Temporal Feds some sort of time bubble back to the 23rd century for a social hub. In the meantime is't the flotilla versus nada.

    But I want to get back to mission counting as that's been the most often cited complaint, but I'm not entirely sure how many missions post level 10 are exclusive.
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  • warpangelwarpangel Member Posts: 9,427 Arc User
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    nadiezja wrote: »
    What is a faction?

    A set of restrictions that prevent players from doing everything with a single character.
  • nadiezjanadiezja Member Posts: 629 Arc User
    If that's the case, then it's definitely not, but also that definition makes me question whether "factions" are a good thing.
  • evilmark444evilmark444 Member Posts: 6,951 Arc User
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    snoggymack22 wrote: »
    evilmark444 wrote: »
    snoggymack22 wrote: »
    It's been awhile. On my Romulan, at what level was I forced to choose between the two actual factions, Klingon and Federation?

    Was it level 10?

    Even after Romulans pick a faction, they still have more Romulan exclusive missions to do. And a Romulan exclusive social hub.

    Is it exclusive mission content? I thought I could play all of it, as a fed just the dialog is given from a Fed's perspective? It's all kind of mish mashed together into the storylines that were already there. And ends up becoming the Iconian War.

    How much exclusive stuff is there past the first 10 levels?

    And one of the largest complaints with LoR was, and still is, the fact that it's not a "real" faction since you're forced to choose Klingon or Federation.

    The big complaint that Temporal Federation isn't a real faction because you have to become regular federation seems to put the "half faction" thing on equal footing.

    So now we're at a part where we have to count number of missions. How many missions are Romulan exclusive, and ONLY Romulan exclusive after level 10?

    And would that social hub be the Flotilla? I think if we give the devs enough time they could probably figure out a way to allow Temporal Feds some sort of time bubble back to the 23rd century for a social hub. In the meantime is't the flotilla versus nada.

    But I want to get back to mission counting as that's been the most often cited complaint, but I'm not entirely sure how many missions post level 10 are exclusive.

    I counted for a sig I briefly used, and came to a total of 24 exclusive romulan missions, and 6 exclusive TOS missions. Go count yourself and tell me if you get a different number.
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  • snoggymack22snoggymack22 Member Posts: 7,084 Arc User
    evilmark444 wrote: »
    snoggymack22 wrote: »
    evilmark444 wrote: »
    snoggymack22 wrote: »
    It's been awhile. On my Romulan, at what level was I forced to choose between the two actual factions, Klingon and Federation?

    Was it level 10?

    Even after Romulans pick a faction, they still have more Romulan exclusive missions to do. And a Romulan exclusive social hub.

    Is it exclusive mission content? I thought I could play all of it, as a fed just the dialog is given from a Fed's perspective? It's all kind of mish mashed together into the storylines that were already there. And ends up becoming the Iconian War.

    How much exclusive stuff is there past the first 10 levels?

    And one of the largest complaints with LoR was, and still is, the fact that it's not a "real" faction since you're forced to choose Klingon or Federation.

    The big complaint that Temporal Federation isn't a real faction because you have to become regular federation seems to put the "half faction" thing on equal footing.

    So now we're at a part where we have to count number of missions. How many missions are Romulan exclusive, and ONLY Romulan exclusive after level 10?

    And would that social hub be the Flotilla? I think if we give the devs enough time they could probably figure out a way to allow Temporal Feds some sort of time bubble back to the 23rd century for a social hub. In the meantime is't the flotilla versus nada.

    But I want to get back to mission counting as that's been the most often cited complaint, but I'm not entirely sure how many missions post level 10 are exclusive.

    I counted for a sig I briefly used, and came to a total of 24 exclusive romulan missions, and 6 exclusive TOS missions. Go count yourself and tell me if you get a different number.


    24 exclusive missions post level 10?

    Is there an entire story arc I missed on my Romulan?
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  • berginsbergins Member Posts: 3,453 Arc User
    Eye em tyred uv rethreads* lik dis.

    (Even if they are disguised as a poll. Maybe especially when they are disguised as a poll.)

    *While the rest of the spelling in this sentence is a comment on the poll answers, 'rethreads' however, is a play on 'retread'- a lesser quality tire made by putting new tread on an old tire, much like how this thread was created.
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  • evilmark444evilmark444 Member Posts: 6,951 Arc User
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    snoggymack22 wrote: »
    evilmark444 wrote: »
    snoggymack22 wrote: »
    evilmark444 wrote: »
    snoggymack22 wrote: »
    It's been awhile. On my Romulan, at what level was I forced to choose between the two actual factions, Klingon and Federation?

    Was it level 10?

    Even after Romulans pick a faction, they still have more Romulan exclusive missions to do. And a Romulan exclusive social hub.

    Is it exclusive mission content? I thought I could play all of it, as a fed just the dialog is given from a Fed's perspective? It's all kind of mish mashed together into the storylines that were already there. And ends up becoming the Iconian War.

    How much exclusive stuff is there past the first 10 levels?

    And one of the largest complaints with LoR was, and still is, the fact that it's not a "real" faction since you're forced to choose Klingon or Federation.

    The big complaint that Temporal Federation isn't a real faction because you have to become regular federation seems to put the "half faction" thing on equal footing.

    So now we're at a part where we have to count number of missions. How many missions are Romulan exclusive, and ONLY Romulan exclusive after level 10?

    And would that social hub be the Flotilla? I think if we give the devs enough time they could probably figure out a way to allow Temporal Feds some sort of time bubble back to the 23rd century for a social hub. In the meantime is't the flotilla versus nada.

    But I want to get back to mission counting as that's been the most often cited complaint, but I'm not entirely sure how many missions post level 10 are exclusive.

    I counted for a sig I briefly used, and came to a total of 24 exclusive romulan missions, and 6 exclusive TOS missions. Go count yourself and tell me if you get a different number.


    24 exclusive missions post level 10?

    Is there an entire story arc I missed on my Romulan?

    24 total, not post level 10. I'm not home so I can't break it down more than that.
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  • breadandcircusesbreadandcircuses Member Posts: 2,355 Arc User
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    evilmark444 wrote: »
    You misspelled "No"

    This.
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  • nikeixnikeix Member Posts: 3,972 Arc User
    There are a surprising number of little nuances that went into making the TOS Feddies a little different from the STO-era feds.

    If they put that much care into distinguishing a Kelvin Timeline origin story, I'd totally roll a fresh captain and run it all again.
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  • seriousdaveseriousdave Member Posts: 2,777 Arc User
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    There's a lot of small things that make tos & fed slightly different but it giving the UI a different sound board dosen't make exactly make TOS a new faction. For now we've got delta 2.0 with rolling TOS but in about 5 weeks that's gone and the TOS "faction" will be nohting more than an alternative turtorial for fed.
  • evilmark444evilmark444 Member Posts: 6,951 Arc User
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    darthmeow504 wrote: »
    It's been confirmed multiple times that there are more TOS missions past the first 6 and you do get to return to the 23rd century at some point.​​

    We are talking about faction exclusive missions, of which it's been confirmed there are only the 6.
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  • scarlingscarling Member Posts: 708 Arc User
    I can't vote on this. Where is the No option? Don't tell me it's "know". I refuse to click that.
  • daveynydaveyny Member Posts: 8,227 Arc User
    I really didn't give a krap what They called it, as long as t had a whole bunch of TOS stuff attached to it.
    And it does...

    So Mr. Gecko can call it the "Queen Mary" for all I care.
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  • sernonserculionsernonserculion Member Posts: 749 Arc User
    warpangel wrote: »
    nadiezja wrote: »
    What is a faction?

    A set of restrictions that prevent players from doing everything with a single character.

    Or rather, a reason to make another character, in order to have an alternate/different experience, as opposed to one Super Access Monotheistic Master Hoarder, with a Singular Directive and Direction, Putting Diversity on the Boat.

    You can't make this stuff up.
  • darkenviousdarkenvious Member Posts: 66 Arc User
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    you misspelled no and I have to say that this expansion has way less than what Legacy of Romulus has right now with the Romulans having 24 exclusive missions while Agents of Yesterday only has 6 exclusive missions
  • jtoon74jtoon74 Member Posts: 409 Arc User
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    snoggymack22 wrote: »
    It's been awhile. On my Romulan, at what level was I forced to choose between the two actual factions, Klingon and Federation?

    Was it level 10?

    Yeah but Rommie specific missions went to about level 40.
  • jarfarujarfaru Member Posts: 579 Arc User
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    kitsunesnout wrote: »
    In every way, it's not even half what the Romulans were and shows many signs of being rushed and incomplete.

    It was all about the dang lockboxes and lobi. The expansion is based on the money they could make from all the jjverse and T6 connie fanboys. We should feel suckered. People need to open their eyes about this.
  • snoggymack22snoggymack22 Member Posts: 7,084 Arc User
    edited July 2016
    evilmark444 wrote: »
    darthmeow504 wrote: »
    It's been confirmed multiple times that there are more TOS missions past the first 6 and you do get to return to the 23rd century at some point.​​

    We are talking about faction exclusive missions, of which it's been confirmed there are only the 6.

    I'm talking about life after level 10 though. Because that's when a Romulan stops being "exclusive" and has to choose between Fed and KDF.

    And that's when a Temp has to move into the current storyline.

    So how many of the post level 10 missions are exclusive to just Romulans and how many are just rewrites of missions we can all play as another faction? Just because I have a different dialog box explaining why me and Hakeev don't like each other ... doesn't mean the mission itself is "exclusive."
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  • warpangelwarpangel Member Posts: 9,427 Arc User
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    sernonserculion wrote: »
    warpangel wrote: »
    nadiezja wrote: »
    What is a faction?

    A set of restrictions that prevent players from doing everything with a single character.

    Or rather, a reason to make another character, in order to have an alternate/different experience, as opposed to one Super Access Monotheistic Master Hoarder, with a Singular Directive and Direction, Putting Diversity on the Boat.

    You can't make this stuff up.
    To have the same experience while being forced to wear different clothes and/or fly a different ship. Maybe.

    As opposed to one Full Restrictionless Expanded Experience of Diversely Original Mindsets. Mine's better, makes a nice acronym.
  • snoggymack22snoggymack22 Member Posts: 7,084 Arc User
    warpangel wrote: »
    sernonserculion wrote: »
    warpangel wrote: »
    nadiezja wrote: »
    What is a faction?

    A set of restrictions that prevent players from doing everything with a single character.

    Or rather, a reason to make another character, in order to have an alternate/different experience, as opposed to one Super Access Monotheistic Master Hoarder, with a Singular Directive and Direction, Putting Diversity on the Boat.

    You can't make this stuff up.
    To have the same experience while being forced to wear different clothes and/or fly a different ship. Maybe.

    As opposed to one Full Restrictionless Expanded Experience of Diversely Original Mindsets. Mine's better, makes a nice acronym.

    When you start off in Qeynos you snakes, bats, bugs and Gnolls. When you start out in Freeport you fight snakes, bats, bugs and Orcs.

    FACTIONS!
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