I just wish they'd get rid of the two tiered money system to buy reputation gear. It should just cost marks, period, end of story. No other item you have to gain to purchase the rep gear like the ancient power cells etc....
like I said in an other thread, for me this rep system is over-used. if only they had a way to upgrade the rep gears in the rep system with marks and dil (at a reasonable cost of course), this would have made a small difference.
the rep system was a good idea, but now we have too many of reputations
i'm not against the grind, I like the dyson bz (ground), defera, kobali, Risa, some stfs etc; but enough is enough, something new, please (not like the badlands bz which is just a copy of the undine bz)
Eh - the reputation grind in STO is breeze.
I will get it done on my main toons now, then wait with the rest for some Crystaline Cataclysm/Mirror Invasion/... whatever new thing invented... and Winter Event to get marks.
And for real grinding - try complete Mirror Invasion on 16 toons when it will go online next time - i managed it last time - that was tiring
or NOT?...how many of these do we have so far? Why does everything being introduced goes to the same "old" system of grindfest called reputation. More shinies is great but IMO...still more of the same just being repackaged into a new "cool" title.
Can we just introduce...say just new "stories" without the "rep" system? to get same shinies. I mean this is becoming "boring" to an extreme level? Are there other systems besides the grindy rep system? I guess just me since been here long enough to have grinded every single one of them...yet still find it boring to say the least.
At least would be nice to make it fun like an ongoing summer/winter event to get marks instead of the usual pew..pew..pew..killing and bumping into obnoxious teams in PvEs.
While the game is F2P, it still needs an "active" playerbase who will log in daily, see the latest items in c-store and spend money. The playerbase can go through the entirety of the new missions in probably 2 days.
Yeah, we should totally return to the pre-Reputation days where you could run ~400 elite missions before the Prototype tech piece you needed dropped.
Let's face it. The reputation system is banal, sure. But it's a lot more fair than the other system, at the cost of taking longer. It's also important to mention that the Temporal Taskstrike Joint Counter Command Defense Alliance or whatever is going to be there for a while, meaning you can complete it at your leisure, or not at all. Just grab your daily marks from whatever Elachi/CCA/MU Incursion event is going on and call it a day.
It could always be worse.
So...your point is? They could of easily upped drop rates...but did they? No...they just went from a system where you had the small chance to get exactly what you wanted in a very short time to a long drawn out system that guarantees you will get something if you long in every day for weeks to help the metrics!
When you use a sample size larger than one, you find raids are a pretty damn good way to run your game into the ground...
Yeah...that is why the biggest MMOs on the market all have raiding! WoW...ToR...Rift...you name it...all have raiding...and all have more population than this game. (Well I'm not sure about Rift...I hear it has been suffering recently because of bad development...and ToR has been having some problems...because of lack of new raids and endgame content)
And how good is STO doing? Can barely find a queue other than crystaline entity and only the latest stf.
Still no one has answered me if it is so good then why does every *POPULAR* mmo use raiding, including and not limited to the highest selling mmo out there which is still a sub based mmo even?
Still no one has answered me if it is so good then why does every *POPULAR* mmo use raiding, including and not limited to the highest selling mmo out there which is still a sub based mmo even?
To get an honest answer to that question you first must define "every popular MMO"... In theory this should be able to be defined as a list.
Hmm, Raids KILLED Wildstar, were dropped from Lord of the Rings Online 3-4 years ago (which was for a while the second largest of all MMOs), they completely failed to keep Star Wars afloat (which has since sensibly gone back to holding its audience with story...). The recent inclusion of raids has been nothing but a blight and wedge rammed into the guts of the GuildWars 2 player base.
Not seeing this universal raids=good thing you've got going in your head.
And Rifts... Really? You're gonna hold that up as a success story? Ok...
I wish the rep system was actually a bit more like what it was in EQ. High reputation meant getting into cities and eventually trading with those people. Maybe getting the chance to do some unique quests for them.
Based on that idea, An Alliance reputation that anyone could do. It rewards with the nicer phasers some people have asked for and allows those at max rank to fly to Q'onos and beam to the capitol city if fed side. Or fly to Earth and Visit ESD if kdf aligned.
Then you can put an unlock on the Romulan rep to go to new Romulus command.
By making the rep grinds get something you can't do as opposed to yet another power for the skill tray or shiny armour/weapon.
Originally Posted by pwlaughingtrendy
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Nor should they be. Their ships would look weird.
I wish the rep system was actually a bit more like what it was in EQ. High reputation meant getting into cities and eventually trading with those people. Maybe getting the chance to do some unique quests for them.
Based on that idea, An Alliance reputation that anyone could do. It rewards with the nicer phasers some people have asked for and allows those at max rank to fly to Q'onos and beam to the capitol city if fed side. Or fly to Earth and Visit ESD if kdf aligned.
Then you can put an unlock on the Romulan rep to go to new Romulus command.
By making the rep grinds get something you can't do as opposed to yet another power for the skill tray or shiny armour/weapon.
Some reps already do this with unique missions and bridge officers.
"He shall be my finest warrior, this generic man who was forced upon me.
Like a badass I shall make him look, and in the furnace of war I shall forge him.
he shall be of iron will and steely sinew.
In great armour I shall clad him and with the mightiest weapons he shall be armed.
He will be untouched by plague or disease; no sickness shall blight him.
He shall have such tactics, strategies and machines that no foe will best him in battle.
He is my answer to cryptic logic, he is the Defender of my Romulan Crew.
He is Tovan Khev... and he shall know no fear."
I think STO's reputation system is hardly a grind. It's actually a pretty casual system in my opinion. It takes 5 minutes every day to generate more than enough marks to fill the dailies. You don't even need to fill all of them up nor get all the rep items (I only got the ones I needed to complete my buulds). The fact that you can also sponsor alts is a really convenient feature too.
Hmm, Raids KILLED Wildstar, were dropped from Lord of the Rings Online 3-4 years ago (which was for a while the second largest of all MMOs), they completely failed to keep Star Wars afloat (which has since sensibly gone back to holding its audience with story...). The recent inclusion of raids has been nothing but a blight and wedge rammed into the guts of the GuildWars 2 player base.
And WoW has repeatedly tried to make raiding "more accessible" (with 'easy' raids, the raid finder, etc), when they realized that it was silly to keep spending all this effort on a game feature that only ~5% of the playerbase used. Of course, this went over like a lead balloon with the 'real' raiders, who enjoyed the Elite Exclusivity of their raiding and didn't want it sullied up by the unwashed masses. Whee.
I will say the Reps on STO is nothing like the grinds on WoW. To me STO has the best way to do Reps. I just would like more variety in ways to do them. On here you can do a few rounds for the daily max points. Turn in a few days then repeat after you used up what you collected. On WoW you have to do it each day or you don't advance in the Rep. To me that was a real grind.
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like I said in an other thread, for me this rep system is over-used. if only they had a way to upgrade the rep gears in the rep system with marks and dil (at a reasonable cost of course), this would have made a small difference.
the rep system was a good idea, but now we have too many of reputations
i'm not against the grind, I like the dyson bz (ground), defera, kobali, Risa, some stfs etc; but enough is enough, something new, please (not like the badlands bz which is just a copy of the undine bz)
This is another reason why I refuse to do it. They can't create a new Rep with a place to do it. Then they failed. I got burned out on the Iconian Rep. I'm tired of doing the same one over again just for a new Rep. Enough is enough of it.
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For the first time since the Rep revamp, you will not be able to slot all Active Space Traits at once. Choice is upon us.
I still think they should do what they did for the Personnel Ground and Space Traits and have four slots for Active Space and four for Active Ground. Small Quality of Life improvement to prevent futzing around when moving from Ground to Space battles.
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Yeah, we should totally return to the pre-Reputation days where you could run ~400 elite missions before the Prototype tech piece you needed dropped.
Let's face it. The reputation system is banal, sure. But it's a lot more fair than the other system, at the cost of taking longer. It's also important to mention that the Temporal Taskstrike Joint Counter Command Defense Alliance or whatever is going to be there for a while, meaning you can complete it at your leisure, or not at all. Just grab your daily marks from whatever Elachi/CCA/MU Incursion event is going on and call it a day.
It could always be worse.
So...your point is? They could of easily upped drop rates...but did they? No...they just went from a system where you had the small chance to get exactly what you wanted in a very short time to a long drawn out system that guarantees you will get something if you long in every day for weeks to help the metrics!
They could give us everything the moment we log in.
What they did was help the metrics* and help the unlucky players. I think that was a great move. Reputations are neat. The game still staying in business however is a neccessary condition before anythnig else.
*The metrics are not, contrary to what some people believe, an end in itself - they are means to an end, a way to measure player retention. Guess what - players that have no objectives to still accomplish in an MMO play less and eventually stop.
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I like doing the reputations. They provide a nice incentive to help me focus.
They are not hard to complete or overly long. The rewards are tons better than the previous system here where one had to get lucky on drops.
Please Cryptic, keep adding Reps to the game.
Cheers
ALL THE REPS! The best grind ever. Better than gambling at least, that's not even a real grind.
"He shall be my finest warrior, this generic man who was forced upon me.
Like a badass I shall make him look, and in the furnace of war I shall forge him.
he shall be of iron will and steely sinew.
In great armour I shall clad him and with the mightiest weapons he shall be armed.
He will be untouched by plague or disease; no sickness shall blight him.
He shall have such tactics, strategies and machines that no foe will best him in battle.
He is my answer to cryptic logic, he is the Defender of my Romulan Crew.
He is Tovan Khev... and he shall know no fear."
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the rep system was a good idea, but now we have too many of reputations
i'm not against the grind, I like the dyson bz (ground), defera, kobali, Risa, some stfs etc; but enough is enough, something new, please (not like the badlands bz which is just a copy of the undine bz)
I will get it done on my main toons now, then wait with the rest for some Crystaline Cataclysm/Mirror Invasion/... whatever new thing invented... and Winter Event to get marks.
And for real grinding - try complete Mirror Invasion on 16 toons when it will go online next time - i managed it last time - that was tiring
done with 10 toons; after the event I made a 2 months break, and never I will do again this event
While the game is F2P, it still needs an "active" playerbase who will log in daily, see the latest items in c-store and spend money. The playerbase can go through the entirety of the new missions in probably 2 days.
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Now it's just clicky, clicky, clicky and you're done.
So...your point is? They could of easily upped drop rates...but did they? No...they just went from a system where you had the small chance to get exactly what you wanted in a very short time to a long drawn out system that guarantees you will get something if you long in every day for weeks to help the metrics!
That is why raid based MMO's do so well and has such a bigger piece of the market than STO?
Yeah...that is why the biggest MMOs on the market all have raiding! WoW...ToR...Rift...you name it...all have raiding...and all have more population than this game. (Well I'm not sure about Rift...I hear it has been suffering recently because of bad development...and ToR has been having some problems...because of lack of new raids and endgame content)
And how good is STO doing? Can barely find a queue other than crystaline entity and only the latest stf.
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Not seeing this universal raids=good thing you've got going in your head.
And Rifts... Really? You're gonna hold that up as a success story? Ok...
Based on that idea, An Alliance reputation that anyone could do. It rewards with the nicer phasers some people have asked for and allows those at max rank to fly to Q'onos and beam to the capitol city if fed side. Or fly to Earth and Visit ESD if kdf aligned.
Then you can put an unlock on the Romulan rep to go to new Romulus command.
By making the rep grinds get something you can't do as opposed to yet another power for the skill tray or shiny armour/weapon.
Originally Posted by pwlaughingtrendy
Network engineers are not ship designers.
Nor should they be. Their ships would look weird.
Some reps already do this with unique missions and bridge officers.
"He shall be my finest warrior, this generic man who was forced upon me.
Like a badass I shall make him look, and in the furnace of war I shall forge him.
he shall be of iron will and steely sinew.
In great armour I shall clad him and with the mightiest weapons he shall be armed.
He will be untouched by plague or disease; no sickness shall blight him.
He shall have such tactics, strategies and machines that no foe will best him in battle.
He is my answer to cryptic logic, he is the Defender of my Romulan Crew.
He is Tovan Khev... and he shall know no fear."
They are indeed, just not a fan of the Badlands zone.
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And WoW has repeatedly tried to make raiding "more accessible" (with 'easy' raids, the raid finder, etc), when they realized that it was silly to keep spending all this effort on a game feature that only ~5% of the playerbase used. Of course, this went over like a lead balloon with the 'real' raiders, who enjoyed the Elite Exclusivity of their raiding and didn't want it sullied up by the unwashed masses. Whee.
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This is another reason why I refuse to do it. They can't create a new Rep with a place to do it. Then they failed. I got burned out on the Iconian Rep. I'm tired of doing the same one over again just for a new Rep. Enough is enough of it.
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I still think they should do what they did for the Personnel Ground and Space Traits and have four slots for Active Space and four for Active Ground. Small Quality of Life improvement to prevent futzing around when moving from Ground to Space battles.
l don't know.
l really don't know what l'm about to say, except l have a feeling about it.
That l must repeat the words that come without my knowledge.'
They could give us everything the moment we log in.
What they did was help the metrics* and help the unlucky players. I think that was a great move. Reputations are neat. The game still staying in business however is a neccessary condition before anythnig else.
*The metrics are not, contrary to what some people believe, an end in itself - they are means to an end, a way to measure player retention. Guess what - players that have no objectives to still accomplish in an MMO play less and eventually stop.
They are not hard to complete or overly long. The rewards are tons better than the previous system here where one had to get lucky on drops.
Please Cryptic, keep adding Reps to the game.
Cheers
yes, keep adding them, but in a different way, something more interesting.
ALL THE REPS! The best grind ever. Better than gambling at least, that's not even a real grind.
"He shall be my finest warrior, this generic man who was forced upon me.
Like a badass I shall make him look, and in the furnace of war I shall forge him.
he shall be of iron will and steely sinew.
In great armour I shall clad him and with the mightiest weapons he shall be armed.
He will be untouched by plague or disease; no sickness shall blight him.
He shall have such tactics, strategies and machines that no foe will best him in battle.
He is my answer to cryptic logic, he is the Defender of my Romulan Crew.
He is Tovan Khev... and he shall know no fear."