I'm sick and tired of being sick and tired! And I'm certainly sick and tired of it! Hairy purple Gorn! He spent his earlier years at the Gorn County Fair as Repto! The Cat-Faced Boy!
I completely agree that they should open up more options in the tailor. I'm not asking to have options taken away, just for an exploit to be fixed...
Just so you know - It has been fixed. It was given more priority over real issues the game has; and I find that saddening personally.
You and me both.... I used to use the glitch to get the fed kit parts as they are shiny and new (compared to the kdfs battered and well used ones) which is rediculously arbitary
To be honest I didn’t know this was a problem. I have been playing this game on and off for over four years and in that time I may have noticed only a few times a player with an odd choice of clothes or physical appearance.
Some are horrible looking but you get a few that are kind of clever. I remember one player had a “Dr. Evil” look so like the original that I had to PM him and say “the only thing missing is a pinky to the lips emote!”
As far as it being an exploit and if it’s a priority or not (shrugs) jodarkrider, I have given up years ago in trying to figure out how developers in any game decide what is something that needs to be addressed immediately and what can wait. I think it’s a toss of the dice how all that gets sorted out.
For me, I like to make my characters and away team more “trek like” for my own immersion. My Ferengi captain and his crew was probably the most challenging, not too many choices for them but I managed to turn out something I can live with.
As far as anyone else doing what they do in game as far as looks. Meh , unless you are doing something that interferes with whatever I have to do then I could care less what you do or what you wear. You are all npc’s to me in my character’s story.
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Two bits. I wish they let us unlock more of these options. I would love to make catgirls and other interesting things in the alien generator. Make it a zen unlock and I give more money. Please
Originally Posted by pwlaughingtrendy
Network engineers are not ship designers.
Nor should they be. Their ships would look weird.
Rather than creating a Public Spectacle out of it, perhaps it would have been better to file a ticket or even just message Trendy or any of the other Dev's that frequent these forums.
This thread just creates a situation where everybody will now try to do it.
Plus, your supposed outrage is rather silly since this IS just a video game.
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Seriously, those players simply were lucky to use a tailor glitch before it got fixed. Some people have kobali with tails, old gorn (those from launch) or fed uniform items (my deferi use TOS dress uniform badges, even KDF side). You demand people to change their characters because of that?
There are legit glitches, and then there's ridiculous stuff. I personally suspect that some of these outfits are made outside the game and then imported with costume import. But I have no proof that this is what the characters in the OP are.
I completely agree that they should open up more options in the tailor. I'm not asking to have options taken away, just for an exploit to be fixed...
Just so you know - It has been fixed. It was given more priority over real issues the game has; and I find that saddening personally.
An exploit has been fixed. That's a good thing, no matter what the context.
What if I were to use an exploit that gives me more dilithium? Or an exploit that gives me access to ship skins that I otherwise wouldn't have? Those would increase my fun, without harming anyone else, would they not? But they're also examples of the game not working as intended. In the case of a dilithium exploit, no one would even need to know - so in a way, that'd be even less intrusive to the game than a very outwardly-visible tailor exploit, would it not?
I understand wanting more customization options, heck I want 'em too. I think the locking between uniform and off duty is odd, and I'd love some access to more options. But just because I want that, doesn't mean I want there to be an exploit in the game that requires players to 'cheat' the system to get it. Every known exploit should be closed as soon as possible, regardless of whether I personally want what the exploit gives or not.
I get what you're saying, but at the same time no one should be upset over a bug or exploit being fixed.
What if I were to use an exploit that gives me more dilithium?
That is a real harming issue & I'd report any of such kind immediatelly, without hesitating.
Cosmetic/aesthetic stuff, as long as it was legit-unlocked is not (and the old 'glitch' didn't let you use anything you didn't own, just FYI) & that is a big difference right there. Imho anyways.
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HAHAHAHA, really, of all the issues the game has you complain about how other people customize their chars. I think we need even more customization options. The more the better. Its a large universe with all manner of strange beings.
100 percent on that. Actually, if you look at all the species too many look like us. I guess even the Xindi Insectoids should just have two arms.
What if I were to use an exploit that gives me more dilithium?
That is a real harming issue & I'd report any of such kind immediatelly, without hesitating.
Cosmetic/aesthetic stuff, as long as it was legit-unlocked is not (and the old 'glitch' didn't let you use anything you didn't own, just FYI) & that is a big difference right there. Imho anyways.
You see my point, though. An exploit is an exploit. Anything that creates a situation where the game is not working as intended should at some point be fixed, regardless of whether I want the 'benefits' of such an exploit or not.
The original post didn't complain about exploits - the complaint was apparently about disliking things like a furry toon whose bio claims he's a Gorn. (Sounds to me like his ship's counselor should be receiving combat pay, but whatever.)
And if you really don't like that kind of thing, don't play Champions Online, and really don't go into Club Caprice (home of the Half-Demon Catgirl Ninja superhero whose bio claims s/he got thrown out of Hell for being scarier than Satan).
You see my point, though. An exploit is an exploit. Anything that creates a situation where the game is not working as intended should at some point be fixed, regardless of whether I want the 'benefits' of such an exploit or not.
I can relate to that... but not when a clearly desired feature which is harmless like this, is not given to us in a legit way, because of... reasons. I however will not go over discussing this further and settle on 'agree to disagree' with this particular Tailor 'glitch'. I believe there are more pressing, actually damaging issues which should be prioritized, to improve the game itself and make it nicer for the players... instead of taking something clearly desired and fun from people. It sends utterly wrong message to us, as a community, no matter the intent.
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Just so you know - It has been fixed. It was given more priority over real issues the game has; and I find that saddening personally.
Yeah, I noticed they "fixed" Orions being able to have other belts on their outfits. So I can't add any more matching bridge crew to my old "beach party Orion" ship. Sure, it was a silly theme.... so? And that wasn't even using a 'glitch', it was just an at-the-time allowed option in the tailor.
At least they're nice enough to let the old outfits remain, even if I can't edit them.
You see my point, though. An exploit is an exploit. Anything that creates a situation where the game is not working as intended should at some point be fixed, regardless of whether I want the 'benefits' of such an exploit or not.
Eh, honestly, I don't see things effecting gameplay, and things that just don't, as the same at all. /shrug
(Of course, if it causes actual bugs in the game code - which, again, effects gameplay - then it's an issue.)
You see my point, though. An exploit is an exploit. Anything that creates a situation where the game is not working as intended should at some point be fixed, regardless of whether I want the 'benefits' of such an exploit or not.
Not to disrupt other people's discussions here, but what she wrote was opposite of what you summarize here under "you see my point". A "exploit" is even not a "exploit" - one example you gave influences gameplay and to a degree the whole game economy, the other thing doesn't concern anyone and does no harm.
^ Memory Alpha.org is not canon. It's a open wiki with arbitrary rules. Only what can be cited from an episode is. ^
"No. Men do not roar. Women roar. Then they hurl heavy objects... and claw at you." -Worf, son of Mogh
"A filthy, mangy beast, but in its bony breast beat the heart of a warrior" - "faithful" (...) "but ever-ready to follow the call of the wild." - Martok, about a Targ
"That pig smelled horrid. A sweet-sour, extremely pungent odor. I showered and showered, and it took me a week to get rid of it!" - Robert Justman, appreciating Emmy-Lou
I would prefer bugfixes rather than complaining about people who exploited a tailor glitch. I've seen some massively fugly, weird, younameit toons out there whose creator obviously used it. I can't count the number of 'catgirls' I've seen, usually on Risa during Summer Event, with the tail and ears of Caitian with humanoid features. I generally ignore them since the same ones show up year after year without anything being done except to fix the glitch. So I figure the devs are allowing those who used the glitch to keep their fugly toons.
I would not be against legitimate unrestricting of the tailor, as I would likely use it to create something interesting and hopefully not too fugly, but to get angry over something like this is pretty juvenile. Again, let the tweens have their fugly, hairy Gorn and catgirls. They're just looking for attention anyways.
In conclusions, I'd rather the devs fixed real, game-breaking glitches rather than chase down funky-fugly, tailor-glitch abusers.
Now a LTS and loving it.
Just because you spend money on this game, it does not entitle you to be a jerk if things don't go your way.
I have come to the conclusion that I have a memory like Etch-A-Sketch. I shake my head and forget everything.
Gee, how much rage can people have for something that's clearly non of their business? (In a videogame, no less. Won't touch RL, that only makes me a sad Targ)
^ Memory Alpha.org is not canon. It's a open wiki with arbitrary rules. Only what can be cited from an episode is. ^
"No. Men do not roar. Women roar. Then they hurl heavy objects... and claw at you." -Worf, son of Mogh
"A filthy, mangy beast, but in its bony breast beat the heart of a warrior" - "faithful" (...) "but ever-ready to follow the call of the wild." - Martok, about a Targ
"That pig smelled horrid. A sweet-sour, extremely pungent odor. I showered and showered, and it took me a week to get rid of it!" - Robert Justman, appreciating Emmy-Lou
In conclusions, I'd rather the devs fixed real, game-breaking glitches rather than chase down funky-fugly, tailor-glitch abusers.
There are people who used it to enhance their characters in a Star-Trek fashion. Not everyone used it to make "fugly" characters. Just thought I'd offer an other side of the coin.
And as far as I am concerned, it's their characters, and as long as they don't take options away from me by their actions, it's not my business to tell them what their character should look like & I wouldn't even think about that. As simply as that. Why can't we co-exist to each other, without having to "ruin" it for the others, just because they make choices we personally would not make? It's harmful and helps nothing, except hostile and toxic environment.
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A simple solution to this problem may be to play with your eyes closed. If that's not your cup of tea, just remember the old Vulcan maxim IDIC.
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I agree, lordoftribbles. There's always going to be something in the game that agitates someone. It's the old adage of you can't please all of the people all of the time.
Just adapt, ignore what supposedly bothers you and go on playing. How do you know someone out there doesn't find your plain ol' Human completely disgusting?
Live and let live. It's a virtual world where we can be whatever/whoever we want, fugly or not.
Now a LTS and loving it.
Just because you spend money on this game, it does not entitle you to be a jerk if things don't go your way.
I have come to the conclusion that I have a memory like Etch-A-Sketch. I shake my head and forget everything.
I for one would like more customization, including traits like have standard level traits in the alien-gen and superior traits for specific species. an example an alien-gen would Seduce or lunge(is it lunge?) but an Orion would get Superior Seduce and a Catian or Feresan would get superior lunge and so on.
The original post didn't complain about exploits - the complaint was apparently about disliking things like a furry toon whose bio claims he's a Gorn.
Actually Gorn is that character's RACE.
It's not an alien.... it's a GORN. Also that look is not possible to replicate without cheating. It's not about disliking the look, it's about people cheating.
I'm sick and tired of being sick and tired! And I'm certainly sick and tired of it! Hairy purple Gorn! He spent his earlier years at the Gorn County Fair as Repto! The Cat-Faced Boy!
I took some pepto. So now I'm just tired. Bone weary tired. Poor Repto. I mean I blame The Albino and the Augments for making this all possible, but if the Empire had been more stable back then, it's likely Repto may never have had to spend those years in the travelling circus.
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You and me both.... I used to use the glitch to get the fed kit parts as they are shiny and new (compared to the kdfs battered and well used ones) which is rediculously arbitary
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Some are horrible looking but you get a few that are kind of clever. I remember one player had a “Dr. Evil” look so like the original that I had to PM him and say “the only thing missing is a pinky to the lips emote!”
As far as it being an exploit and if it’s a priority or not (shrugs) jodarkrider, I have given up years ago in trying to figure out how developers in any game decide what is something that needs to be addressed immediately and what can wait. I think it’s a toss of the dice how all that gets sorted out.
For me, I like to make my characters and away team more “trek like” for my own immersion. My Ferengi captain and his crew was probably the most challenging, not too many choices for them but I managed to turn out something I can live with.
As far as anyone else doing what they do in game as far as looks. Meh , unless you are doing something that interferes with whatever I have to do then I could care less what you do or what you wear. You are all npc’s to me in my character’s story.
Originally Posted by pwlaughingtrendy
Network engineers are not ship designers.
Nor should they be. Their ships would look weird.
This thread just creates a situation where everybody will now try to do it.
Plus, your supposed outrage is rather silly since this IS just a video game.
smh
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An exploit has been fixed. That's a good thing, no matter what the context.
What if I were to use an exploit that gives me more dilithium? Or an exploit that gives me access to ship skins that I otherwise wouldn't have? Those would increase my fun, without harming anyone else, would they not? But they're also examples of the game not working as intended. In the case of a dilithium exploit, no one would even need to know - so in a way, that'd be even less intrusive to the game than a very outwardly-visible tailor exploit, would it not?
I understand wanting more customization options, heck I want 'em too. I think the locking between uniform and off duty is odd, and I'd love some access to more options. But just because I want that, doesn't mean I want there to be an exploit in the game that requires players to 'cheat' the system to get it. Every known exploit should be closed as soon as possible, regardless of whether I personally want what the exploit gives or not.
I get what you're saying, but at the same time no one should be upset over a bug or exploit being fixed.
Cosmetic/aesthetic stuff, as long as it was legit-unlocked is not (and the old 'glitch' didn't let you use anything you didn't own, just FYI) & that is a big difference right there. Imho anyways.
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You see my point, though. An exploit is an exploit. Anything that creates a situation where the game is not working as intended should at some point be fixed, regardless of whether I want the 'benefits' of such an exploit or not.
And if you really don't like that kind of thing, don't play Champions Online, and really don't go into Club Caprice (home of the Half-Demon Catgirl Ninja superhero whose bio claims s/he got thrown out of Hell for being scarier than Satan).
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Yeah, I noticed they "fixed" Orions being able to have other belts on their outfits. So I can't add any more matching bridge crew to my old "beach party Orion" ship. Sure, it was a silly theme.... so?
At least they're nice enough to let the old outfits remain, even if I can't edit them.
Eh, honestly, I don't see things effecting gameplay, and things that just don't, as the same at all. /shrug
(Of course, if it causes actual bugs in the game code - which, again, effects gameplay - then it's an issue.)
Not to disrupt other people's discussions here, but what she wrote was opposite of what you summarize here under "you see my point". A "exploit" is even not a "exploit" - one example you gave influences gameplay and to a degree the whole game economy, the other thing doesn't concern anyone and does no harm.
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I would not be against legitimate unrestricting of the tailor, as I would likely use it to create something interesting and hopefully not too fugly, but to get angry over something like this is pretty juvenile. Again, let the tweens have their fugly, hairy Gorn and catgirls. They're just looking for attention anyways.
In conclusions, I'd rather the devs fixed real, game-breaking glitches rather than chase down funky-fugly, tailor-glitch abusers.
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And as far as I am concerned, it's their characters, and as long as they don't take options away from me by their actions, it's not my business to tell them what their character should look like & I wouldn't even think about that. As simply as that. Why can't we co-exist to each other, without having to "ruin" it for the others, just because they make choices we personally would not make? It's harmful and helps nothing, except hostile and toxic environment.
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Just adapt, ignore what supposedly bothers you and go on playing. How do you know someone out there doesn't find your plain ol' Human completely disgusting?
Live and let live. It's a virtual world where we can be whatever/whoever we want, fugly or not.
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It's not an alien.... it's a GORN. Also that look is not possible to replicate without cheating. It's not about disliking the look, it's about people cheating.
My character Tsin'xing
I took some pepto. So now I'm just tired. Bone weary tired. Poor Repto. I mean I blame The Albino and the Augments for making this all possible, but if the Empire had been more stable back then, it's likely Repto may never have had to spend those years in the travelling circus.
But here we are. And I need a nap.