Pre-supernova Hobus in YOA. follow-up. Not worth to read it. Delete it pls.

gaparker · May 2016

Image KDF and RSE are allies as they both using D5 and D7 as they are enemy to FED. Oh my God....will Hobus in whole piece as Romulus the RSE's home planet exist. Follow-up...it is now worthless as don't need to read it.

glasgow4 · May 2016

Dafuq?

thekodanarmada · May 2016

gaparker, on the forums, his words simple his concepts not.

rattler2 · May 2016

Shaka... when the walls fell.

Unknown · May 2016

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mirrorchaos · May 2016

gaparker wrote: »

Image KDF and RSE are allies as they both using D5 and D7 as they are enemy to FED. Oh my God....will Hobus in whole piece? I guess it may be add later in season as RSE's home planet.

i am guessing that gaparker is wondering if the romulan-klingon alliance be shown with the cloaking devices and klingon ship trade and if we get to see Hobus in its prime before it was detonated by Taris a century later.

artan42 · May 2016

mirrorchaos wrote: »

gaparker wrote: »

Image KDF and RSE are allies as they both using D5 and D7 as they are enemy to FED. Oh my God....will Hobus in whole piece? I guess it may be add later in season as RSE's home planet.

i am guessing that gaparker is wondering if the romulan-klingon alliance be shown with the cloaking devices and klingon ship trade

As it's not canon and STO has already mentioned the fact that Klingons stole the cloak from the Romulans and not traded for it, then no.

Thankfully.

jonsills · May 2016

The officially-given reason for the Romulans using D7s in "The Enterprise Incident" was due to a temporary alliance they'd had - as in, a technology exchange that lasted maybe six months before someone on one side or the other accused their "partner" of treachery and broke it off.

Doesn't matter that much, though - we're not going to Hobus, as it's on the other side of the Romulan Neutral Zone and during the 23rd crossing that Zone was verboten. (For that matter, I don't think we'll see much conflict against the Klingons - this takes place after the Organians imposed their "treaty", making it impossible to engage in multi-ship actions anywhere along that Zone...)

artan42 · May 2016

jonsills wrote: »

The officially-given reason for the Romulans using D7s in "The Enterprise Incident" was due to a temporary alliance they'd had - as in, a technology exchange that lasted maybe six months before someone on one side or the other accused their "partner" of treachery and broke it off.

The official reason that was never made canon and existed only until TNG. After TNG the alliance was an unnecessary bit of fanfiction that didn't serve the characterisation of either race, and ENT gave Klingons two different ways to get cloaks and STO a further one. So like the Romulans not having warp, the Constitution getting to warp 14 and going from the galactic core to galactic barrier, lithium crystals, and the planet Vulconis, it was quietly forgotten and retconned out.

And technically the official reason is that the producers either lost (or had stolen) the T'liss model but had a few D7 left.

darakoss · May 2016

artan42 wrote: »

jonsills wrote: »

The officially-given reason for the Romulans using D7s in "The Enterprise Incident" was due to a temporary alliance they'd had - as in, a technology exchange that lasted maybe six months before someone on one side or the other accused their "partner" of treachery and broke it off.

The official reason that was never made canon and existed only until TNG. After TNG the alliance was an unnecessary bit of fanfiction that didn't serve the characterisation of either race, and ENT gave Klingons two different ways to get cloaks and STO a further one. So like the Romulans not having warp, the Constitution getting to warp 14 and going from the galactic core to galactic barrier, lithium crystals, and the planet Vulconis, it was quietly forgotten and retconned out.

And technically the official reason is that the producers either lost (or had stolen) the T'liss model but had a few D7 left.

It's mentioned in The Making of Star Trek and Riker also alludes to it in TNG episode Reunion.

artan42 · May 2016

darakoss wrote: »

artan42 wrote: »

jonsills wrote: »

The officially-given reason for the Romulans using D7s in "The Enterprise Incident" was due to a temporary alliance they'd had - as in, a technology exchange that lasted maybe six months before someone on one side or the other accused their "partner" of treachery and broke it off.

The official reason that was never made canon and existed only until TNG. After TNG the alliance was an unnecessary bit of fanfiction that didn't serve the characterisation of either race, and ENT gave Klingons two different ways to get cloaks and STO a further one. So like the Romulans not having warp, the Constitution getting to warp 14 and going from the galactic core to galactic barrier, lithium crystals, and the planet Vulconis, it was quietly forgotten and retconned out.

And technically the official reason is that the producers either lost (or had stolen) the T'liss model but had a few D7 left.

It's mentioned in The Making of Star Trek and Riker also alludes to it in TNG episode Reunion.

I said canon, which a book isn't. Riker's allusion was to the Khitomer alliance where Worf's farther was killed by Romulans.

darakoss · May 2016

The book can actually be considered canon since its a behind the scenes book and its considered official.

artan42 · May 2016

darakoss wrote: »

The book can actually be considered canon since its a behind the scenes book and its considered official.

IT cannot be considered canon as canon refers to the material of the TV shows and films. Not books, not manuals, not comics, not games, not word of god, not magazines, not websites, not letters of fire scrawled across the heavens. The TV shows and the films alone.

kodachikuno · May 2016

jonsills wrote: »

(For that matter, I don't think we'll see much conflict against the Klingons - this takes place after the Organians imposed their "treaty", making it impossible to engage in multi-ship actions anywhere along that Zone...)

Whatch the trailer... theres a whole pile of fed ships attacking D7s in it. Theres also an interesting shot I saw of a T'liss and Connie working together versus a Doomsday Device

darakoss · May 2016

artan42 wrote: »

darakoss wrote: »

The book can actually be considered canon since its a behind the scenes book and its considered official.

IT cannot be considered canon as canon refers to the material of the TV shows and films. Not books, not manuals, not comics, not games, not word of god, not magazines, not websites, not letters of fire scrawled across the heavens. The TV shows and the films alone.

Ok then,...I simply thought since the interviews from the writers, producers and such could be considered since everything in there did refer to the material of the TV show. My bad.

artan42 · May 2016

darakoss wrote: »

artan42 wrote: »

darakoss wrote: »

The book can actually be considered canon since its a behind the scenes book and its considered official.

IT cannot be considered canon as canon refers to the material of the TV shows and films. Not books, not manuals, not comics, not games, not word of god, not magazines, not websites, not letters of fire scrawled across the heavens. The TV shows and the films alone.

Ok then,...I simply thought since the interviews from the writers, producers and such could be considered since everything in there did refer to the material of the TV show. My bad.

They're nice background information yes, often interesting, but CBS' policy is that only the TV shows and films are canon. There are instances where plans have been intended that would have been nice, T'Pol being half Romulan for instance, but as much as I like the idea it's still not canon. This supposed alliance is another, I think the idea's stupid, others love it, but neither matter as the idea has not shown up in any official canon.

gaparker · May 2016

Thank to all of you for bring it up. It was good discuss. I understand about Hobus and D7 stuff. I will look it up after reading your messages.

gaparker · May 2016

I looked up and I understand why studio used D7 because they put too much money into D7 and the script require used klingon ship. (Memory Alpha Wikia "The Enterprise Incident" Props and sets section)

whamhammer1 · May 2016

To say that if it was in the TV shows and Movies is the guidline for canon would suggest that the Federation Class Dreadnaught was canon being the design was shown in "The Voyage Home".

jonsills · May 2016

No, the explanation isn't "canon" - I only said it was the official explanation, not the canon one. (There isn't a canon explanation, we're just supposed to shrug and accept it because TV story arcs weren't really a thing in 1968.)

One must assume, I suppose, that the scene in the trailer involves a conflict with some Romulan-owned D7s - or someone read James Blish's novel Spock Must Die! and decided to use a similar gag to trap the Organians on their homeworld for a time.

markhawkman · May 2016

jonsills wrote: »

The officially-given reason for the Romulans using D7s in "The Enterprise Incident" was due to a temporary alliance they'd had - as in, a technology exchange that lasted maybe six months before someone on one side or the other accused their "partner" of treachery and broke it off.

Doesn't matter that much, though - we're not going to Hobus, as it's on the other side of the Romulan Neutral Zone and during the 23rd crossing that Zone was verboten. (For that matter, I don't think we'll see much conflict against the Klingons - this takes place after the Organians imposed their "treaty", making it impossible to engage in multi-ship actions anywhere along that Zone...)

Actually, this provides an interesting plot hook.... Maybe this is what ended the alliance? IE the Romulans and Klingons had a limited tech exchange that went sour when the Klingons decided they wanted to steal a cloaking device?

equinox976 · May 2016

The producers just did not have enough money to create more models of the ships. Why make it more complicated than it is by 'building' a story around it?

markhawkman · May 2016

equinox976 wrote: »

The producers just did not have enough money to create more models of the ships. Why make it more complicated than it is by 'building' a story around it?

They built a story around Klingon foreheads.

equinox976 · May 2016

markhawkman wrote: »

equinox976 wrote: »

The producers just did not have enough money to create more models of the ships. Why make it more complicated than it is by 'building' a story around it?

They built a story around Klingon foreheads.

That's true... but it was just as silly...

Sometimes things are best left ignored

(Like when your granny does a really loud f art at christmas dinner).

jonsills · May 2016

equinox976 wrote: »

The producers just did not have enough money to create more models of the ships. Why make it more complicated than it is by 'building' a story around it?

I'm an amateur writer. Building stories around plot holes is what I do.

commanderkassy · May 2016

jonsills wrote: »

equinox976 wrote: »

The producers just did not have enough money to create more models of the ships. Why make it more complicated than it is by 'building' a story around it?

I'm an amateur writer. Building stories around plot holes is what I do.

And I'm not an amateur, and I don't build around plot holes, I fill them in. Don't build your house on sand.

rattler2 · May 2016

artan42 wrote: »

IT cannot be considered canon as canon refers to the material of the TV shows and films. Not books, not manuals, not comics, not games, not word of god, not magazines, not websites, not letters of fire scrawled across the heavens. The TV shows and the films alone.

Actually... sources outside of TV and Movies CAN be declared Canon. It just has to be declared as such. For example the Computer Games Aliens: Colonial Marines and Star Trek.

Colonial Marines was accepted into Canon and actually makes it so that Hicks didn't actually die between Aliens and Alien 3, and revealed the ultimate fate of the Sulaco. The Stasis Interrupted DLC revealed HOW Hicks survived, and who was actually in Hicks' stasis pod and died, and that Hicks was actually present when Ripley jumped into the molten metal to kill the queen chestburster and was captured by Wayland-Yutani PMCs.

Star Trek covers some of the time between the 09 movie and Into Darkness, and does have an event that was mentioned in Into Darkness by McCoy, the point where he was talking to Dr. Marcus about taking care of a pregnant Gorn. In the game, Sulu had stunned a Gorn, only for McCoy to discover it was pregnant. While it wasn't seen on screen, McCoy relayed to Kirk and Spock during gameplay that he had to deliver some newborn Gorn, and they came out all teeth and claws.

So yes... other things CAN be declared canon. They just HAVE to be declared as such by the owners. Kinda like how the Blood Ravens Space Marine Chapter was accepted as an official Space Marine Chapter in Warhammer 40,000 after Dawn of War came out.

jonsills · May 2016

commanderkassy wrote: »

jonsills wrote: »

equinox976 wrote: »

The producers just did not have enough money to create more models of the ships. Why make it more complicated than it is by 'building' a story around it?

I'm an amateur writer. Building stories around plot holes is what I do.

And I'm not an amateur, and I don't build around plot holes, I fill them in. Don't build your house on sand.

When sand is all you've got to work with...

starswordc · May 2016

rattler2 wrote: »

artan42 wrote: »

IT cannot be considered canon as canon refers to the material of the TV shows and films. Not books, not manuals, not comics, not games, not word of god, not magazines, not websites, not letters of fire scrawled across the heavens. The TV shows and the films alone.

Actually... sources outside of TV and Movies CAN be declared Canon. It just has to be declared as such. For example the Computer Games Aliens: Colonial Marines and Star Trek.

Colonial Marines was accepted into Canon and actually makes it so that Hicks didn't actually die between Aliens and Alien 3, and revealed the ultimate fate of the Sulaco. The Stasis Interrupted DLC revealed HOW Hicks survived, and who was actually in Hicks' stasis pod and died, and that Hicks was actually present when Ripley jumped into the molten metal to kill the queen chestburster and was captured by Wayland-Yutani PMCs.

Star Trek covers some of the time between the 09 movie and Into Darkness, and does have an event that was mentioned in Into Darkness by McCoy, the point where he was talking to Dr. Marcus about taking care of a pregnant Gorn. In the game, Sulu had stunned a Gorn, only for McCoy to discover it was pregnant. While it wasn't seen on screen, McCoy relayed to Kirk and Spock during gameplay that he had to deliver some newborn Gorn, and they came out all teeth and claws.

So yes... other things CAN be declared canon. They just HAVE to be declared as such by the owners. Kinda like how the Blood Ravens Space Marine Chapter was accepted as an official Space Marine Chapter in Warhammer 40,000 after Dawn of War came out.

You can sum it up even more simply than that, rattler: Different IPs, different canon policies. 40k, for example, doesn't really have one: Games Workshop's position is that everything is canon, but not all of it is true. (C.f. the kerfuffle over the Horus Heresy novels not matching prior fluff, which GW explained by saying that the fluff was written from an in-universe perspective 10,000 years later and that the HH novels are what actually happened.)

But as far as Star Trek canon? artan's completely right: the official position of CBS is that it's not canon unless you can see and/or hear it on TV.

rattler2 · May 2016

starswordc wrote: »

But as far as Star Trek canon? artan's completely right: the official position of CBS is that it's not canon unless you can see and/or hear it on TV.

McCoy did mention the Gorn in Into Darkness. And the Gorn were in the game.

http://collider.com/star-trek-video-game-canon-bridge/
Roberto Orci said so himself.

markhawkman · May 2016

starswordc wrote: »

But as far as Star Trek canon? artan's completely right: the official position of CBS is that it's not canon unless you can see and/or hear it on TV.

Show me that in writing. Oh wait... CBS erased that part of their website. I wonder why.....

Pre-supernova Hobus in YOA. follow-up. Not worth to read it. Delete it pls.

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