Its nice if they can be used by all 3 factions. Its like getting 2 box ships and having them be account unlocks . I like the looks but I still prefer actual faction ships. These 2 ships are too alien for me but I guess that's to be expected since those are 31st century vessels where everyone belongs to galactic empire.
I would've preferred seeing a different faction in the "modern era" of the game like Cardassian or the Dominion perhaps, but I think this is a great idea. Great way to celebrate the 50th Anniversary and I really like TOS. So, I'm a little biased. As far as the ships, I think the designs look cool and am glad at least a couple of the T6 ships are universal (probably the best way to say that judging by the earlier comments). But the big sell will be how they are different from any other T6 out there.
aww man! I really want to know what the word was! Anyway...
If the Fed ships are used by all factions in AoY, I find that more enraging than if the KDF and Roms got nothing.
Sometimes I think I play STO just to have something to complain about on the forums.
aww man! I really want to know what the word was! ...
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Right, two cross-faction table scraps next to ten new Fed ships and the Romulans and KDF still don't have proper endgame science options.
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Am I alone in thinking this seems a little... lazy?
I can sort of understand the Paradox but this is a far cry from the old temporal ships.
It *IS* lazy. The Paradox didn't even receive KDF nor Romulan style skins. Big contrast that the T5 Temporal Destroyer and Science Vessel did have faction skins.
so if they are faction neutral does that mean they are account unlocked so you can claim them on every character, if yes they are certainly good value - if no and you can only claim them with a AoY character then its a moot point as all AoY characters are fed only.
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so if they are faction neutral does that mean they are account unlocked so you can claim them on every character, if yes they are certainly good value - if no and you can only claim them with a AoY character then its a moot point as all AoY characters are fed only.
I'd expect this to be brought up when Cryptic gets to the stage of FAQ's. For now, it was stated (on Reddit I believe) that the Eternity and Ouroboros are usable by all factions (not just TOS characters). The lingering question for this (at least so far as I've found) is how many c-store purchases this represents. If (seemingly most likely) one, good. If one for each faction then it'll be a choice players have to make if they want to buy into it.
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So plain speaking, "faction agnostic" means that TOS characters choose their affiliation (KDF/FED) at some point, just like Romulans do?
I'm curious on how this makes any sense story wise.
It'd be somehow weitd to see KDF characters fly a Constitution Class or some other Starfleet ship TBH.
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So plain speaking, "faction agnostic" means that TOS characters choose their affiliation (KDF/FED) at some point, just like Romulans do?
I'm curious on how this makes any sense story wise.
It'd be somehow weitd to see KDF characters fly a Constitution Class or some other Starfleet ship TBH.
The way I understand it, AoY characters are fed only. The flufftext explicitly talks about Starfleet characters in the 23rd century. The faction agnostic T6 temporal ships (only the Eternal and the Oroboronoromoro-whatever) are regular T6 purchases available for all factions.
This expansion will cover, I think, Delta Recruit style Temporal Operative characters - you must create those as new characters and they start in the 23rd century until they reach a certain level at which point they get to enter the regular gameplay. Your existing characters can purchase the ships and use them in regular content but cannot play the 23rd century arc but you cn play all the content that comes afterwards, so everything TOS characters play at lvl 40+ (or 50+) at which point there are no factions anymore but only the alliance thingy we have now.
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It has been confirmed that only 2 of the ships are faction neutral, the Eternal Multimission Science ship and the Ouroborus Raider.
The rest can be used by TOS and Fed characters alike.
As for the one word that created such calamity, I dare not repeat it...
It has been confirmed that only 2 of the ships are faction neutral, the Eternal Multimission Science ship and the Ouroborus Raider.
The rest can be used by TOS and Fed characters alike.
As for the one word that created such calamity, I dare not repeat it...
As far as I understand, only TOS characters can use the non-neutral ships - and there is a clear distinction being made between 'TOS' and 'Federation', indicating they are separate factions.
Infinite possibilities have implications that could not be completely understood if you turned this entire universe into a giant supercomputer.
It has been confirmed that only 2 of the ships are faction neutral, the Eternal Multimission Science ship and the Ouroborus Raider.
The rest can be used by TOS and Fed characters alike.
As for the one word that created such calamity, I dare not repeat it...
As far as I understand, only TOS characters can use the non-neutral ships - and there is a clear distinction being made between 'TOS' and 'Federation', indicating they are separate factions.
It was confirmed by a dev ( Zero no less) on reddit that Fed characters can use all of the ships in the new pack.
It has been confirmed that only 2 of the ships are faction neutral, the Eternal Multimission Science ship and the Ouroborus Raider.
The rest can be used by TOS and Fed characters alike.
As for the one word that created such calamity, I dare not repeat it...
As far as I understand, only TOS characters can use the non-neutral ships - and there is a clear distinction being made between 'TOS' and 'Federation', indicating they are separate factions.
This is what I think but I'm not sure about. I'm thinking the non-t6 ships in the pack will be the refit versions of the AoY "faction" ships
I'm sure normal FED characters can use the T6 ships but I'll bet only TOS can use the TOS ships and costumes... that would make sense to me.
That way if we do get a T6 Connie or at least a ship that can use its costume it'll be restricted to TOS characters which might be the loophole Cryptic needs to make it happen.
It has been confirmed that only 2 of the ships are faction neutral, the Eternal Multimission Science ship and the Ouroborus Raider.
The rest can be used by TOS and Fed characters alike.
As for the one word that created such calamity, I dare not repeat it...
As far as I understand, only TOS characters can use the non-neutral ships - and there is a clear distinction being made between 'TOS' and 'Federation', indicating they are separate factions.
It was confirmed by a dev ( Zero no less) on reddit that Fed characters can use all of the ships in the new pack.
so if they are faction neutral does that mean they are account unlocked so you can claim them on every character, if yes they are certainly good value - if no and you can only claim them with a AoY character then its a moot point as all AoY characters are fed only.
While i have been quite clear about not liking how this new content is implimented, there are two things i have seen posted that aren't true, this because unlike what some people think i "can" and "do" read, and yea i know you didn't say it.
1) Has been said that some ships in this pack are already available and therefore it isn't worth $130, the four T6 ships aren't and i do not count the dread/lockbox option, those four ships on the z-store would individually be worth $120 alone.
2) The uniforms are already available, no they aren't, these unis are the "torn" versions, i have the regular TOS versions and i dont use them because i personally dont like them, the torn versions are however "not" already available.
Anyone saying either package isn't worth the price is off, unless you don't play a fed.
Just being able to claim them on an AoY character would be truly lame i agree, if they do this the players will make a ton of noise, even those waving flags and blowing trumpets about this "fed" expansion.
Where the fleece job comes in is if you main a rommy or klingon toon, and buy either pack, your rommy or klink are only going to get the perks (worth $0 imo) and at most 2 faction inclusive ships worth $60 for "$130", thats a fleece job, and it's no suprise to me it happens to KE/RR and not the feds.
The faction inclusive T6 ships (if they are), dont impress me at all, the ships to "me" are ugly, and the game just gets more and more "generic" with all three factions flying around in the very same temporal ships.
Edit: So actually it's "six" T6 ships not four, so that just reinforces both points, value for the feds, little for anyone else.
It has been confirmed that only 2 of the ships are faction neutral, the Eternal Multimission Science ship and the Ouroborus Raider.
The rest can be used by TOS and Fed characters alike.
As for the one word that created such calamity, I dare not repeat it...
As far as I understand, only TOS characters can use the non-neutral ships - and there is a clear distinction being made between 'TOS' and 'Federation', indicating they are separate factions.
but they are not really a faction are they, not even a half faction like the romulans.
if speculation is correct and at some point they are catapulted into the future to join existing star fleet they are really just fed characters with a slightly different start up.
at least as a romulan half faction character you can still visit Mol'Rihan and interact with D'Tan and other romulan characters from your new home world, theres no going back on a whim for your ToS character.
cryptic might well be treating them as a separate faction for programming purposes but that is not the reality of the situation.
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Well considering that the lock box temporal dreadnought was also faction agnostic this isn't at all surprising. I don't think though that you can really heap any grief on cryptic for not posting this at once. Any KDF/ROM player knows that while they don't get as many ships as the FED they still get something during big releases (see. the last things to hit the c-store.)
Even if you weren't guessing that the Eternal and Ouroboros were for everyone (interesting how this translates across c-store, 1 purchase, access for all factions?) you could have also speculated that Cryptic may have been planning to announce more ships at a later date (ex. a D7 revamp and 26th century analog) as for example they did with the Pathfinder on the lead up to Delta Rising.
Neither takes a whole lot of imagination so jumping to the "Mrah, cryptic simply hates people who choose to play their other factions!" hassle is entirely on those who so jumped. Remember that this thing was just revealed and missing a few details now doesn't amount to much.
Understand i am not calling you out on this.
I do however think it is a large stretch to compare a key+lockbox+rng might equal a temporal dread ship scenario zen investment to a hard $30 z-store T6 ship purchase.
I dont count the lockbox temporal dread as comparable to the faction inclusive two ships in the AoY pack.
We don't know anything. The expansion is due to late summer. You know that until it hits we will get very little substantial information until a few days before it's live. No need to be all panicky and hostile about it NOW, we're all int he same boat. And everything - E-V-E-R-Y-T-H-I-N-G - anybody without a gold name says on the matter is purely wild speculation. No need to get upset about that.
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I do however think it is a large stretch to compare a key+lockbox+rng might equal a temporal dread ship scenario zen investment to a hard $30 z-store T6 ship purchase.
I dont count the lockbox temporal dread as comparable to the faction inclusive two ships in the AoY pack.
So find something else to speculate with.
The point was that it was fantastically unlikely WHATEVER THE ALTERNATIVE (I can't stress enough that the prospects of the Eternal+Ouroboros being multi-faction was not my central point, and NOT something that needs to be discussed at length after the fact. We've had enough tangents ) that cryptic would release a full, partially FED-inclusive, expansion without including some ships usable by the KDF/ROM.
Don't want to consider the possibility that a now multi-faction ship type may continue being multi-faction? Then just take the Pathfinder example from DR and speculate that cryptic may not have revealed the entire line-up of AoY ships from the start.
One way or the other, the conclusion that the KDF/ROM could be completely left out (on the basis of a first reveal) was unnecessary. There's a temporal specialization coming and there has to be something in the KDF/ROM arsenal to take advantage of that. Still, there's definitely concern (we don't know everything yet), but there are more productive avenues to explore first.
(ex. building an FAQ list)
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I do however think it is a large stretch to compare a key+lockbox+rng might equal a temporal dread ship scenario zen investment to a hard $30 z-store T6 ship purchase.
I dont count the lockbox temporal dread as comparable to the faction inclusive two ships in the AoY pack.
So find something else to speculate with.
The point was that it was fantastically unlikely WHATEVER THE ALTERNATIVE that cryptic would release a full expansion without including some ships usable by the KDF/ROM. Don't want to consider that maybe a now multi-faction ship type will continue being multi-faction (the lock box example is moot given the fact that we're dealing with the c-store now. Even if it were just a FED release, exclusivity precedents are completely out the window)? Then just take the Pathfinder example from DR and speculate that cryptic may not have revealed the entire line-up of AoY ships from the start (which is still technically an open possibility, though naturally not one that's going to bring the KDF/ROM to any kind of parity.)
Man what is with people on these forums,
A. I didn't "speculate" about "anything" in that post you quoted, nothing in that post can be intelligently defined whatsoever by anyone as "speculation" of any kind.
B. Alternatives?, Cryptics past history doesn't bode well for alternatives.
C. If the lockbox issue is moot i fail to see why you mentioned it in the first place.
I like how people spend keyboard life typing shades of grey definitions for hardcore concepts like speculation and alternatives whenever they dont like something they read in print.
That post is all hard fact, no speculation involved.
A. I didn't "speculate" about "anything" in that post you quoted, nothing in that post can be intelligently defined whatsoever by anyone as "speculation" of any kind.
B. Alternatives?, Cryptics past history doesn't bode well for alternatives.
C. If the lockbox issue is moot i fail to see why you mentioned it in the first place.
I like how people spend keyboard life typing shades of grey definitions for hardcore concepts like speculation and alternatives whenever they dont like something they read in print.
That post is all hard fact, no speculation involved.
If claiming something make sure you follow through with that idea. If you want to discuss STO and what's happening with it (ie. facts) then please do so by all means. It's what we're here for. But for the sake of this thread, which has had enough problems in its short life, keep the random character judgement to yourself. I for one, am not particularly interested and I'm the one they most relate to. :P A. "I do however think it is a large stretch to compare a key+lockbox+rng might equal a temporal dread ship scenario zen investment to a hard $30 z-store T6 ship purchase."
You are also saying this after we already know that we can in fact compare compare lock box and c-store ships from the current Eternal/Oroboros scheme. Clearly you missed something originally. There's absolutely nothing wrong with that (it is not a significant point) but it does put an end to that part of discussion.
It is what it is. Move on (and keep in mind that by "speculation" I was referring to the original concern that the KDF/ROM would be left out of AoY ships. But please let's keep the semantics to an absolute minimum. It really is what it just is.)
B. Like account claimable multi-faction event ships?
C. I say it's moot. You said it wasn't. That's discussion.
Don't be so reflexive in your attempted contradictions. You may feel like you have good personal reasons for showing up that jerk on the forums but listen when I tell you now that I'm just trying to provide clarification and help with future problems. It really was unnecessary for people to speculate that the KDF/ROM would be left out. It appeared to cause undue stress. There were at least two factual precedents to consider first (one of which is the title of this thread) and there's undoubtedly going to be numerous blogs and FAQ's to address unresolved questions in the relatively near future.
As I edited, a better use of time would be to try creating a list of questions we need answered (in those terms). Some things we can reasonably assume but others we really have no idea about. Let's discuss things and try to get the best consensus out there in the open so something good might really come of this thread.
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Because STOs devblogs chronically lack in substantial information. They could very well cut two paragraphs of "amazing" and "outstanding" ad text and instead go into some detail about the content they write about.
But then we'd have them on record for the moment they don't deliver.
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If the Fed ships are used by all factions in AoY, I find that more enraging than if the KDF and Roms got nothing.
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It *IS* lazy. The Paradox didn't even receive KDF nor Romulan style skins. Big contrast that the T5 Temporal Destroyer and Science Vessel did have faction skins.
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I'd expect this to be brought up when Cryptic gets to the stage of FAQ's. For now, it was stated (on Reddit I believe) that the Eternity and Ouroboros are usable by all factions (not just TOS characters). The lingering question for this (at least so far as I've found) is how many c-store purchases this represents. If (seemingly most likely) one, good. If one for each faction then it'll be a choice players have to make if they want to buy into it.
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Perhaps if there was a word to describe this state.
Thread was amazing. Keep it up.
I'm curious on how this makes any sense story wise.
It'd be somehow weitd to see KDF characters fly a Constitution Class or some other Starfleet ship TBH.
The way I understand it, AoY characters are fed only. The flufftext explicitly talks about Starfleet characters in the 23rd century. The faction agnostic T6 temporal ships (only the Eternal and the Oroboronoromoro-whatever) are regular T6 purchases available for all factions.
This expansion will cover, I think, Delta Recruit style Temporal Operative characters - you must create those as new characters and they start in the 23rd century until they reach a certain level at which point they get to enter the regular gameplay. Your existing characters can purchase the ships and use them in regular content but cannot play the 23rd century arc but you cn play all the content that comes afterwards, so everything TOS characters play at lvl 40+ (or 50+) at which point there are no factions anymore but only the alliance thingy we have now.
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The rest can be used by TOS and Fed characters alike.
As for the one word that created such calamity, I dare not repeat it...
As far as I understand, only TOS characters can use the non-neutral ships - and there is a clear distinction being made between 'TOS' and 'Federation', indicating they are separate factions.
Infinite possibilities have implications that could not be completely understood if you turned this entire universe into a giant supercomputer.
It was confirmed by a dev ( Zero no less) on reddit that Fed characters can use all of the ships in the new pack.
https://www.reddit.com/r/sto/comments/4i3v5d/big_question_can_feds_fly_the_daedalus_perseus/
This is what I think but I'm not sure about. I'm thinking the non-t6 ships in the pack will be the refit versions of the AoY "faction" ships
That way if we do get a T6 Connie or at least a ship that can use its costume it'll be restricted to TOS characters which might be the loophole Cryptic needs to make it happen.
Weird.
Infinite possibilities have implications that could not be completely understood if you turned this entire universe into a giant supercomputer.
While i have been quite clear about not liking how this new content is implimented, there are two things i have seen posted that aren't true, this because unlike what some people think i "can" and "do" read, and yea i know you didn't say it.
1) Has been said that some ships in this pack are already available and therefore it isn't worth $130, the four T6 ships aren't and i do not count the dread/lockbox option, those four ships on the z-store would individually be worth $120 alone.
2) The uniforms are already available, no they aren't, these unis are the "torn" versions, i have the regular TOS versions and i dont use them because i personally dont like them, the torn versions are however "not" already available.
Anyone saying either package isn't worth the price is off, unless you don't play a fed.
Just being able to claim them on an AoY character would be truly lame i agree, if they do this the players will make a ton of noise, even those waving flags and blowing trumpets about this "fed" expansion.
Where the fleece job comes in is if you main a rommy or klingon toon, and buy either pack, your rommy or klink are only going to get the perks (worth $0 imo) and at most 2 faction inclusive ships worth $60 for "$130", thats a fleece job, and it's no suprise to me it happens to KE/RR and not the feds.
The faction inclusive T6 ships (if they are), dont impress me at all, the ships to "me" are ugly, and the game just gets more and more "generic" with all three factions flying around in the very same temporal ships.
Edit: So actually it's "six" T6 ships not four, so that just reinforces both points, value for the feds, little for anyone else.
but they are not really a faction are they, not even a half faction like the romulans.
if speculation is correct and at some point they are catapulted into the future to join existing star fleet they are really just fed characters with a slightly different start up.
at least as a romulan half faction character you can still visit Mol'Rihan and interact with D'Tan and other romulan characters from your new home world, theres no going back on a whim for your ToS character.
cryptic might well be treating them as a separate faction for programming purposes but that is not the reality of the situation.
When I think about everything we've been through together,
maybe it's not the destination that matters, maybe it's the journey,
and if that journey takes a little longer,
so we can do something we all believe in,
I can't think of any place I'd rather be or any people I'd rather be with.
Understand i am not calling you out on this.
I do however think it is a large stretch to compare a key+lockbox+rng might equal a temporal dread ship scenario zen investment to a hard $30 z-store T6 ship purchase.
I dont count the lockbox temporal dread as comparable to the faction inclusive two ships in the AoY pack.
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So find something else to speculate with.
The point was that it was fantastically unlikely WHATEVER THE ALTERNATIVE (I can't stress enough that the prospects of the Eternal+Ouroboros being multi-faction was not my central point, and NOT something that needs to be discussed at length after the fact. We've had enough tangents
Don't want to consider the possibility that a now multi-faction ship type may continue being multi-faction? Then just take the Pathfinder example from DR and speculate that cryptic may not have revealed the entire line-up of AoY ships from the start.
One way or the other, the conclusion that the KDF/ROM could be completely left out (on the basis of a first reveal) was unnecessary. There's a temporal specialization coming and there has to be something in the KDF/ROM arsenal to take advantage of that. Still, there's definitely concern (we don't know everything yet), but there are more productive avenues to explore first.
(ex. building an FAQ list)
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Man what is with people on these forums,
A. I didn't "speculate" about "anything" in that post you quoted, nothing in that post can be intelligently defined whatsoever by anyone as "speculation" of any kind.
B. Alternatives?, Cryptics past history doesn't bode well for alternatives.
C. If the lockbox issue is moot i fail to see why you mentioned it in the first place.
I like how people spend keyboard life typing shades of grey definitions for hardcore concepts like speculation and alternatives whenever they dont like something they read in print.
That post is all hard fact, no speculation involved.
If claiming something make sure you follow through with that idea. If you want to discuss STO and what's happening with it (ie. facts) then please do so by all means. It's what we're here for. But for the sake of this thread, which has had enough problems in its short life, keep the random character judgement to yourself. I for one, am not particularly interested and I'm the one they most relate to. :P
A. "I do however think it is a large stretch to compare a key+lockbox+rng might equal a temporal dread ship scenario zen investment to a hard $30 z-store T6 ship purchase."
You are also saying this after we already know that we can in fact compare compare lock box and c-store ships from the current Eternal/Oroboros scheme. Clearly you missed something originally. There's absolutely nothing wrong with that (it is not a significant point) but it does put an end to that part of discussion.
It is what it is. Move on (and keep in mind that by "speculation" I was referring to the original concern that the KDF/ROM would be left out of AoY ships. But please let's keep the semantics to an absolute minimum. It really is what it just is.)
B. Like account claimable multi-faction event ships?
C. I say it's moot. You said it wasn't. That's discussion.
Don't be so reflexive in your attempted contradictions. You may feel like you have good personal reasons for showing up that jerk on the forums but listen when I tell you now that I'm just trying to provide clarification and help with future problems. It really was unnecessary for people to speculate that the KDF/ROM would be left out. It appeared to cause undue stress. There were at least two factual precedents to consider first (one of which is the title of this thread) and there's undoubtedly going to be numerous blogs and FAQ's to address unresolved questions in the relatively near future.
As I edited, a better use of time would be to try creating a list of questions we need answered (in those terms). Some things we can reasonably assume but others we really have no idea about. Let's discuss things and try to get the best consensus out there in the open so something good might really come of this thread.
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