AFK Penalty System Bug???

sheperrd · April 2016

Hello,

This is my first post on STO Forum, and I wish to report a bug about STO AFK Penalty system :

I recently bought a t6 Scimitar and I must say, I really love this ship (proud owner) after playing a few round of pve, I realize that I need to improve my DPS, hull/shield etc.

After digging some information about how to improve my ship, I realise that I need to use the reputation. I played a lot of PVE, gathered many marks as I can (even when I have so little time because of work lol) and I never experience any issue/bugs until today.... I played 2 PVE mission, one for the Iconian mark (forget the map name, but it was on advance) and the second PVE map called Hive Onslaught (on normal). The first PVE mission took me and my team alot of time to defeat the boss, but we did manage to finish it and we all got our rewards, but the second one, there was this one guy (a troller I suppose) kill (steal) ALL the Borg cube in few mili-secs. The Borg queen died in 2 secs (how can he deal so much DPS????)... The mission ends and afterwards all my team got 2 hours AFK Penalty ban...

Please fix and/or improve this AFK Penalty ban system...

Regards,
Charles

Reason on editing my post: I mention the wrong PVE Map, its Hive Onslaught not Borg Disconnected.

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darkbladejk · April 2016

There's a few things here that I'm noticing from what you're telling us. First I'm glad you found a ship that you like, now you just need to focus on building the ship up and actually getting used to her. It's going to take time for you to get the ship built up to where you can do a metric ton of DPS if that's your thing. If you need help building the ship up you're more than welcome to send me a message here on the forums and I will help you out.

With that stuff in mind from what you're telling me the AFK system is working as intended. In order for you to not get hit with the penalty or the ban you have to deal at least 1% of the damage for the match itself. The fact that you got the penalty after going through the match tells me that a couple of things. One being that you have to be doing next to no damage if you were there the entire time but still got the penalty. For this one guy to nuke everything would have to mean that he was constantly moving between the 3 spawns and I find it very hard to believe someone would do this unless someone else on the team called for help, as there's no reason for it. I also highly suspect that it wasn't just him firing on the boss ships at the end of Borg DC. While there are people capable of nuking ships that fast on their own, very rarely if ever will you see those people in a normal mission as it's no challenge to them. Overall from what I'm seeing, you need to step up your game big time if you got the penalty in that mission. You have more than enough time to do so in a Borg DC run. Unless you're dealing next to no damage or were AFK, by no means should you have gotten a penalty.

From what I'm seeing here, the AFK system is still working as intended, you just need to step up your game. I also would not recommend going into STFs until you learn a few things such as proper setups, boff abilities and so on. That's not meant to be an insult but meant to help you. If you keep going into STFs as you are without building up your game knowledge and build a bit more, you're only going to keep getting hit with the AFK penalty.

sheperrd · April 2016

coldnapalm wrote: »

Sign...not this again. You need to do ~1% of the damage for the entire map to not get the penalty. Now, a super DPS toon can troll some normal queues...like ISN to cause everyone else to get the AFK penalty if they are not geared well too...but for that to happen in borg disconnect, you would need 3 such players who are wiping out all the borgs in all three spawn locations. My guess is that the entire team did not get the AFK penalty and only YOU did...or the entire team was a fail and EVERYONE went with this one DPS toon and you let the other two spawn points go empty. If one person is wiping out a spawn point, LEAVE THEM THERE and go deal with one of the other two points. Unless you are doing like 2k DPS...in which case, why are you even doing queues...learn to play better first because the starting common gear that your ship comes with should let you do more then that even if you have no traits, boffs or doffs slotted...this should keep you from getting the AFK penalty in this map. The AFK system does not need to be fixed for the most part. Fleet alerts with low level toons and high level toons is one aspect that does need to be fixed...and maybe even ISN...but certainly not borg disconnect. So yeah, not a bug...working as intended. Next time try not to be useless and you won't get the AFK penalty.

First of all, your guessing is wrong (were you there when I played?), second, I will be as you mention "useless" if this afk penalty keep appearing, because I dont get any mark rewards and the game punish me and my friend/team (AFK Penalty ban) for being AFK when we are not AFK at all. "But for that to happen in borg disconnect, you would need 3 such players who are wiping out all the borgs in all three spawn locations." my apologies for mentioning the wrong PVE map, its the Hive Onslaught on Normal, I posted this thread at 7:29AM, so I was a little tired (I will edit my post asap). "Next time try not to be useless and you won't get the AFK penalty. " Im not a pro STO player, but I played STO since 2012, so I think I do know how to play PVE, as I mention above, I played on advance difficulties too. So please be civilize and dont judge someone who is not guilty as charged.

Anyway, I do not like AFK players neither, I remember many times when I played my Fed charachter (high gear), there are alot of players just standing there and waiting for us to finish all the work, and they still get all the rewards. But this system, the AFK penalty, its not a bad idea! but it needs to be improve and/or fixed. I personally prefer if they could implement a Vote Kick System.

Regards,
Charles

sheperrd · April 2016

darkbladejk wrote: »

There's a few things here that I'm noticing from what you're telling us. First I'm glad you found a ship that you like, now you just need to focus on building the ship up and actually getting used to her. It's going to take time for you to get the ship built up to where you can do a metric ton of DPS if that's your thing. If you need help building the ship up you're more than welcome to send me a message here on the forums and I will help you out.

With that stuff in mind from what you're telling me the AFK system is working as intended. In order for you to not get hit with the penalty or the ban you have to deal at least 1% of the damage for the match itself. The fact that you got the penalty after going through the match tells me that a couple of things. One being that you have to be doing next to no damage if you were there the entire time but still got the penalty. For this one guy to nuke everything would have to mean that he was constantly moving between the 3 spawns and I find it very hard to believe someone would do this unless someone else on the team called for help, as there's no reason for it. I also highly suspect that it wasn't just him firing on the boss ships at the end of Borg DC. While there are people capable of nuking ships that fast on their own, very rarely if ever will you see those people in a normal mission as it's no challenge to them. Overall from what I'm seeing, you need to step up your game big time if you got the penalty in that mission. You have more than enough time to do so in a Borg DC run. Unless you're dealing next to no damage or were AFK, by no means should you have gotten a penalty.

From what I'm seeing here, the AFK system is still working as intended, you just need to step up your game. I also would not recommend going into STFs until you learn a few things such as proper setups, boff abilities and so on. That's not meant to be an insult but meant to help you. If you keep going into STFs as you are without building up your game knowledge and build a bit more, you're only going to keep getting hit with the AFK penalty.

Hi,

Thank you for your kind reply.

Yes, I'm currently trying to gather alot of Reputaion Marks, so that I can gear up my ship.

I do support the idea (PVE AFK Pernalty/Ban), but I think it needs to be improve (or maybe fix?) as it also accidently ban players (like me and my friend/teams for example), when a Pro (DPS) player joins on a normal difficulties and Nuke everything in a few mili-seconds.. as I also mention above that

I do not like (acted) AFK players in a PVE either, I remember so many times when I played my Fed charachter (high gear), there are alot of players just standing there and waiting for us to finish all the work and they still get all the rewards.

Also my sincere apologies for mention the wrong PVE map (I will edit the post asap.), its the Hive Onslaugh map and not the Borg Diconnected.

And yes! I'm a proud owner of the T6 Scimitar lol.

Regards,
Charles

P.S. You quote a text from Jean Luc Picard, I'm a huge fan of Sir. Patrick Stewart

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darkbladejk · April 2016

With Hive Onslaught if you're a new player then you absolutely don't want to go in there until you've built up your gear. In my main ship I can tank over 100k dps coming at me at once and deal over 50k+ dps back, yet even I don't go in there with pugs. Not saying that to be airheaded but because the mission is a royal b**** to run without an organized team. Hive Onslaught is where alot of the high end DPS folks go if they want a challenge. It's one of the few missions today that can actually put up a really good fight against the players. With that said my earlier post still stands. This tells me that you didn't do enough damage to account for 1% of the run, which triggered the penalty. When you go in there with high dps players it can be hard sometimes because they suck up all the damage and there's just not enough to go around. There's only so much HP on the enemies.

Unfortunately the AFK penalty system is working as intended in this instance. Focus on getting used to your Scimitar and building it up before you go back in there. Not to be "that guy" but it honestly sounds like you jumped the gun before you were ready and it came back to bite you in the rear. I get it, when you get a new ship you want to try it out, happened to me before. In my case I just had got the Breen Rezreth and was outfitting it. Tried to go into a mission thinking I had swapped back to my Galor, NOPE lols. had to scrape together a build from virtually nothing in my inventory but it worked. Get a good boff setup going along with some decent gear to get started, then just practice from there and upgrade as you can.

@jodarkrider I might need you if this post keeps getting heated.

jodarkrider · April 2016

Play nice, folks.

sheperrd · April 2016

coldnapalm wrote: »

sheperrd wrote: »

coldnapalm wrote: »

Sign...not this again. You need to do ~1% of the damage for the entire map to not get the penalty. Now, a super DPS toon can troll some normal queues...like ISN to cause everyone else to get the AFK penalty if they are not geared well too...but for that to happen in borg disconnect, you would need 3 such players who are wiping out all the borgs in all three spawn locations. My guess is that the entire team did not get the AFK penalty and only YOU did...or the entire team was a fail and EVERYONE went with this one DPS toon and you let the other two spawn points go empty. If one person is wiping out a spawn point, LEAVE THEM THERE and go deal with one of the other two points. Unless you are doing like 2k DPS...in which case, why are you even doing queues...learn to play better first because the starting common gear that your ship comes with should let you do more then that even if you have no traits, boffs or doffs slotted...this should keep you from getting the AFK penalty in this map. The AFK system does not need to be fixed for the most part. Fleet alerts with low level toons and high level toons is one aspect that does need to be fixed...and maybe even ISN...but certainly not borg disconnect. So yeah, not a bug...working as intended. Next time try not to be useless and you won't get the AFK penalty.

First of all, your guessing is wrong (were you there when I played?), second, I will be as you mention "useless" if this afk penalty keep appearing, because I dont get any mark rewards and the game punish me and my friend/team (AFK Penalty ban) for being AFK when we are not AFK at all. "But for that to happen in borg disconnect, you would need 3 such players who are wiping out all the borgs in all three spawn locations." my apologies for mentioning the wrong PVE map, its the Hive Onslaught on Normal, I posted this thread at 7:29AM, so I was a little tired (I will edit my post asap). "Next time try not to be useless and you won't get the AFK penalty. " Im not a pro STO player, but I played STO since 2012, so I think I do know how to play PVE, as I mention above, I played on advance difficulties too. So please be civilize and dont judge someone who is not guilty as charged.

Anyway, I do not like AFK players neither, I remember many times when I played my Fed charachter (high gear), there are alot of players just standing there and waiting for us to finish all the work, and they still get all the rewards. But this system, the AFK penalty, its not a bad idea! but it needs to be improve and/or fixed. I personally prefer if they could implement a Vote Kick System.

Regards,
Charles

I can only judge you on what you wrote. If you were mistaken, the fault is ENTIRELY YOURS...not mine. So learn to deal or TRIBBLE off. I DID MENTION THAT THERE WERE SOME MAPS WHERE THIS COULD HAPPEN EVEN. So really WTF. You are mad because you LIED TO ME and I based my anaylsis of what happen based on YOUR LIES?!? Umm yeah...no. And yes hive is one of those maps that can be trolled by a high DPS person...but then again, why are you in hive with a crappy DPS ship anyways?!? Hive is the hardest queue there is...even the normal one. Also guess what, you can do CSN to get those marks...and that one can't be trolled unless you have three people like borg disconnect. And if you think having a system where a few maps can be trolled because of somebody in a well geared and piloted ship is bad, your proposal of having a vote system should rock your world when you realize that there is a certain armada in the game who would make groups of three to join queues to just troll vote kick people who joined in...and they don't even have to spend gobs of resources to do it unlike now. Umm...yeah...that will work GREAT. I would LOVE to see the carnage that causes. Tell ya what, I will support that idea if we can perma ban anyone who suggested that idea as a great way to deal with AFK when it fails utterly.

And I will be civil when you stop saying stupid things...like blaming ME for your own damn mistake. Actually, I bet that you didn't even engage some of the initial borgs at the start because you were slow and didn't full implulse in. It's not your fault, it's the AFK system. It's not your fault that you said borg disconnect and I called BS on it...it's my fault because I should have known you meant hive instead. It's everyone's fault but your own...right? Learn from your mistakes and move on...or don't...but continue to spew this it's not my fault BS and don't expect this to end well.

I am mad (?), I lied (?), Its my fault (You are judging again), I should TRIBBLE off (This explains everything)

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I didnt ask you here to judge me from what I wrote, if you read the Title, its about the AFK penalty System, and not about you Judging me.

Based on my anaylsis here, you Mister, are the only one here who is mad for unknow reason.

As you said, "learn from your mistakes and move on.." maybe you should stop telling people this and learn from your own Wisdom, because you sir, are not helping.

Regards,
Charles

sheperrd · April 2016

darkbladejk wrote: »

With Hive Onslaught if you're a new player then you absolutely don't want to go in there until you've built up your gear. In my main ship I can tank over 100k dps coming at me at once and deal over 50k+ dps back, yet even I don't go in there with pugs. Not saying that to be airheaded but because the mission is a royal b**** to run without an organized team. Hive Onslaught is where alot of the high end DPS folks go if they want a challenge. It's one of the few missions today that can actually put up a really good fight against the players. With that said my earlier post still stands. This tells me that you didn't do enough damage to account for 1% of the run, which triggered the penalty. When you go in there with high dps players it can be hard sometimes because they suck up all the damage and there's just not enough to go around. There's only so much HP on the enemies.

Unfortunately the AFK penalty system is working as intended in this instance. Focus on getting used to your Scimitar and building it up before you go back in there. Not to be "that guy" but it honestly sounds like you jumped the gun before you were ready and it came back to bite you in the rear. I get it, when you get a new ship you want to try it out, happened to me before. In my case I just had got the Breen Rezreth and was outfitting it. Tried to go into a mission thinking I had swapped back to my Galor, NOPE lols. had to scrape together a build from virtually nothing in my inventory but it worked. Get a good boff setup going along with some decent gear to get started, then just practice from there and upgrade as you can.

@jodarkrider I might need you if this post keeps getting heated.

Haha,

I get it, when you get a new ship you want to try it out

This is must agree lol.

Okay, I guess, theres no other option at the moment. I will try my best keeping out on some PVE until I am better geared up

Regards,
Charles

scrooge69 · April 2016

had this with a nreturning player yesterday we pugged 2gether and he got afk pen... he was firering all the time... but apparently not enoughf dmg

he quit the game again.....

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sheperrd · April 2016

This is forum...not a every has to agree with what I say board. That means ANYTHING you say WILL BE JUDGED. If you can't deal with that once again...TRIBBLE off. YOU made a mistake at BEST and flat out lied at worst and are still refusing to own up to it. That makes me even more sure of what I suspected before. It's everyone else's fault. It can't possibly be you...it's the AFK system that is faulty. Umm yeah...whatever.

1. What mistake are you refering to? If you read my first reply above, I did mention that I mistype the PVE map name.
2. I lied? please be more specific

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3. You keep telling me, that if I cant deal with what you are writing to me, I should TRIBBLE off?
Then why you didnt do that in the first place after reading my thread?

That means ANYTHING you say WILL BE JUDGED.

Maybe you are right, its just a forum. But still, you cant just go judging people by your feeling or by what you read without any evidence and/or proof. Your only proof is based on assumption, which is not a evidence nor proof.

That makes me even more sure of what I suspected before. It's everyone else's fault. It can't possibly be you...it's the AFK system that is faulty. Umm yeah...whatever.

"In dubio pro reo"

Lets assume, you are sitting in the court as a suspect and someone keep telling non-sense to the Judge, that you are guilty (e.g. murdering a child) and you know you didnt do it (not guilty as charged). Now, are you guilty because someone or somebody is assuming that his/her view of you is as he/she suspected with no proof at all? or will you just, (let me quote this for you) "TRIBBLE off" even if you are innocent?

I do not know why you are assuming, that I blame on everybody and on the AFK Penalty Systems (which is non-sense). What I did was reporting a bug (From what I assume and/or experience) in a "Gameplay Bug Reports" forum category.

Regards,
Charles

Reason on editing my post: quote tags misplaced.

squirrleytunic · April 2016

While this exchange has been kinda fun to watch in a COPS or Judge Judy sort of way, it is equally cringe worthy.

OP, basically what happened to you was you were the victim of a high dps player going pug hunting in Hive Space Normal. This is pretty much the easiest map to do this in because of the long sprint you must do from the start and the fact that all of the enemies are grouped together so one high dps person can pretty much wipe out everything before the rest of the team gets there.

To some, it is fun to do this for whatever reason. Maybe they are just insecure and like compensating for real life by being nasty to others with the anonymity of the internet. Maybe they are just kind of crappy people and enjoy kicking puppies.

I personally feel bad and try to avoid afking people when possible just because I don't wanna ruin someone else's night, just as I wouldn't want them to do the same to me. I leave my parser running on one of my other monitors, and have backed off a bit if I notice someone is close to getting an afk penalty.

I know you were running normal difficulty so this doesn't really apply to this situation. Generally speaking, if you get an afk penalty in advanced content, you have not adequately prepared yourself for advanced content. That is why some people get a bit testy in threads like this one, as they pop up quite often, and are usually made by someone who is leeching off of others in advanced and angry that they got caught.

Personally, I wouldn't even have the afk timer penalty in Normal queues. If you do happen to fall below the 1% damage threshold, maybe withhold the rewards for that queue to keep people from botting normals. Giving a relatively new player a two hour timeout for being a little slow on an entry level map is a bit harsh. These are the maps that people are suppose to learn the basic idea of the PVE in order to prepare themselves for harder versions after all.

pacelli1 · April 2016

squirrleytunic wrote: »

While this exchange has been kinda fun to watch in a COPS or Judge Judy sort of way, it is equally cringe worthy.

OP, basically what happened to you was you were the victim of a high dps player going pug hunting in Hive Space Normal. This is pretty much the easiest map to do this in because of the long sprint you must do from the start and the fact that all of the enemies are grouped together so one high dps person can pretty much wipe out everything before the rest of the team gets there.

To some, it is fun to do this for whatever reason. Maybe they are just insecure and like compensating for real life by being nasty to others with the anonymity of the internet. Maybe they are just kind of crappy people and enjoy kicking puppies.

I personally feel bad and try to avoid afking people when possible just because I don't wanna ruin someone else's night, just as I wouldn't want them to do the same to me. I leave my parser running on one of my other monitors, and have backed off a bit if I notice someone is close to getting an afk penalty.

I know you were running normal difficulty so this doesn't really apply to this situation. Generally speaking, if you get an afk penalty in advanced content, you have not adequately prepared yourself for advanced content. That is why some people get a bit testy in threads like this one, as they pop up quite often, and are usually made by someone who is leeching off of others in advanced and angry that they got caught.

Personally, I wouldn't even have the afk timer penalty in Normal queues. If you do happen to fall below the 1% damage threshold, maybe withhold the rewards for that queue to keep people from botting normals. Giving a relatively new player a two hour timeout for being a little slow on an entry level map is a bit harsh. These are the maps that people are suppose to learn the basic idea of the PVE in order to prepare themselves for harder versions after all.

Your suggested solution to the problem (in normal queues) is quite brilliant. Good on you, mate. Also, kudos on being a voice of moderation. Just my $0.02

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darkbladejk · April 2016

@jodarkrider This is starting to get further out of hand. We've pretty much established there is no bug here and I believe this thread has run its course.

sheperrd · April 2016

1) You said you mistyped...then decided somehow that was MY FAULT. I called BS on your story based on what YOU SAID ORGINALLY. If it was an honest mistake, you should have said opps, my bad and that would have been the end of it...but somehow the fact that I called BS on something because it makes no sense based on what YOU SAID is somehow my fault and that I should not have done that? Umm...yeah no.

2) Yes you LIED because if it was JUST a mistake like you said, then all you needed to say was opps, my bad. But you tried to lay the blame at my feet because I called BS and to try and deflect blame from your OWN ACTIONS.

3) I am dealing just fine...you on the other hand seems to be making less and less sense and just grasping at straws and using fallacies.

4) The forum is NOT A COURT ROOM. The judgements we pass are personal judgements and what we say will be PERSONALLY judged by others and there is NO BLOODY REASON TO BRING A COURT ROOM INTO THIS. The fact that you can't see that and used a hyperbole as your defense tells me that you lack the ability to actually have a valid discussion at this point. Don't wanna get judged? Then don't say anything...because we make personal judgements every day based on what others do or say. Most people on this forum already know that I am brash...at best...and honestly, I am a jackass...and I am sure that there are many...MANY people reading this that agrees with that statement. I don't care what they judge...I say what I say. So yes I can deal just fine...you on the other hand at being judged even a bit harshly seems to have broken completely apart...might wanna fix that. Also, despite me not being a nice guy...that does not mean what I see and comment is wrong.

5) Your example other then being a hyperbole is not even an accurate analogy. It would be like if at a trial, you testified that the defendant was guilty of commiting murder because you saw him at the local bar drinking a mai tai. When you are then confronted that is not possible because they don't have mai tai at that bar, you change the drink to a whiskey sour and then procced to say how dare they judge you for giving FALSE TESTIMONY. You don't think that somebody changing their story AFTER it has been shown that it can't actually be true is gonna be somewhat suspect? And when they then become indignant that they are being judge...that isn't wierd at all...perfectly normal...umm yeah no. if you ever have to be in court...I suggest you get a GREAT lawyer...because you are TERRIBLE at this game.

6) I gave you SEVERAL outs already. You refuse to take them...so...yeah...you only have yourself to blame for this.

7) and finally...NOT A BUG. Working as intended.[/quote]

Let me keep this short and simple:

You said you mistyped...then decided somehow that was MY FAULT.

Where did I mention that this is your fault, I cant seem to find it. The only person I can find is you (continuously) blaming me here.

Yes you LIED because if it was JUST a mistake like you said

I did apologise for the mistype (as I mention in the first reply), but "Lying" and "Mistakes" are not to be compared, please see the dictionary (or Google it).

I am dealing just fine...you on the other hand seems to be making less and less sense and just grasping at straws and using fallacies.

Its good to know you are dealing fine, because I do too

Are you sure the forum is not a (personal) court room? Let me quote your text again

That means ANYTHING you say WILL BE JUDGED.

and now

The forum is NOT A COURT ROOM. The judgements we pass are personal judgements and what we say will be PERSONALLY judged by others and there is NO BLOODY REASON TO BRING A COURT ROOM INTO THIS.

if you ever have to be in court...I suggest you get a GREAT lawyer...because you are TERRIBLE at this game.

Well, after reading how you write here.... I do feel pity for you, I suggest you go see a Psychiatrist for your own good.

I gave you SEVERAL outs already. You refuse to take them...so...yeah...you only have yourself to blame for this.

This is getting interesting...

After seeing your profile stats and how many comments you already posted. I don't have that Luxury of Time to reply to your comments all the time, I hereby congratulate you that you WON.

sheperrd · April 2016

darkbladejk wrote: »

@jodarkrider This is starting to get further out of hand. We've pretty much established there is no bug here and I believe this thread has run its course.

I apologies for the inconvenience, I didnt want this topic to get out of hand, but well...
Some reply are already helpful with tips/suggestion and I appreciate it.

Please proceed with what you have to do.

Regards,
Charles

sheperrd · April 2016

squirrleytunic wrote: »

While this exchange has been kinda fun to watch in a COPS or Judge Judy sort of way, it is equally cringe worthy.

OP, basically what happened to you was you were the victim of a high dps player going pug hunting in Hive Space Normal. This is pretty much the easiest map to do this in because of the long sprint you must do from the start and the fact that all of the enemies are grouped together so one high dps person can pretty much wipe out everything before the rest of the team gets there.

To some, it is fun to do this for whatever reason. Maybe they are just insecure and like compensating for real life by being nasty to others with the anonymity of the internet. Maybe they are just kind of crappy people and enjoy kicking puppies.

I personally feel bad and try to avoid afking people when possible just because I don't wanna ruin someone else's night, just as I wouldn't want them to do the same to me. I leave my parser running on one of my other monitors, and have backed off a bit if I notice someone is close to getting an afk penalty.

I know you were running normal difficulty so this doesn't really apply to this situation. Generally speaking, if you get an afk penalty in advanced content, you have not adequately prepared yourself for advanced content. That is why some people get a bit testy in threads like this one, as they pop up quite often, and are usually made by someone who is leeching off of others in advanced and angry that they got caught.

Personally, I wouldn't even have the afk timer penalty in Normal queues. If you do happen to fall below the 1% damage threshold, maybe withhold the rewards for that queue to keep people from botting normals. Giving a relatively new player a two hour timeout for being a little slow on an entry level map is a bit harsh. These are the maps that people are suppose to learn the basic idea of the PVE in order to prepare themselves for harder versions after all.

Thank you for your kind Open-Minded reply and for sharing your thoughts with us.

I wish I could give you Kudos.

Regards,
Charles

jodarkrider · April 2016

Yeeep.
/Closed.

AFK Penalty System Bug???

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