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Three Unique Starship Ideas For Star Trek Online (STO)

jetnova16jetnova16 Member Posts: 16 Arc User
in Star Trek Online General Discussion
These three starship ideas originally came to me as a mod idea for the Activision PC game Star Trek Armada II and with a little help was able to have them created and converted for that game. They would also be great for Star Trek Online...

Cryptic and the designers for STO can modify the design concepts in some minor ways, but their class names should stay as they are as a homage to the fact that the Defiant-class starship in Star Trek Deep Space Nine was considered to be a Warship. To quote Captain Sisko: "She's classified as a Destroyer Escort, unofficially she's a Warship, nothing more less. The Defiant was a prototype, the first ship in what would have been the Federation's new battle fleet." All three class names are based on battles during the Vietnam War.

1. The Khe Sanh-class: A Defiant-class/Sovereign-class combo that uses the Secondary Hull of the Sovereign-class and replaces the Saucer Section with the entire Defiant-class Warship.

2. Dien Bien Phu-class: A Defiant-class/Galaxy-class combo that uses the Secondary Hull of the Galaxy-class and replaces the Saucer Section with the entire Defiant-class Warship.

3. Xuan Loc-class: A Defiant-class/Akira-class combo that uses the entire Akira-class starship other than its saucer section. The parts on the saucer that connect it to the secondary hull of the Akira-class actually stay to connect the entire Defiant-class to the rest of the ship (with slight modifications).

These ideas are for the fact that when the Defiant-class uses its Quantum Warhead Module in official Star Trek Canon it would also lose its Main Deflector. Connecting the Defiant-class Warship to these Secondary Hulls nullifies that vulnerability where without the Main Deflector Interstellar Debris could tear the ship apart if it attempts to maneuver and return to its starbase or another port of call. These Secondary Hull attachments nullify that vulnerability by giving the "new" ship the access to a second Main Deflector through the Secondary Hulls.

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  • jtoney3448jtoney3448 Member Posts: 642 Arc User
    I'm all for peeps putting out ideas, but those would be abominations of epic proportions. Keep thinking tho next idea might be a winner.
  • nikeixnikeix Member Posts: 3,972 Arc User
    Because what this game is really lacking is a complete over abundance of Fed-ships...
  • gerwalk0769gerwalk0769 Member Posts: 1,095 Arc User
    A mine (x3 aft) ship would be interesting.
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  • tousseautousseau Member Posts: 1,484 Arc User
    0.o?

    Ummmm.... uhhh...

    *goes looking for the bleach*

    (I know... not constructive, but I could only imagine some strange amalgam of Silent Hill and Dr Moreau...)
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    That would be a very phallic starship.
  • rattler2rattler2 Member, Star Trek Online Moderator Posts: 58,582 Community Moderator
    Sorry, but those physical designs are kinda... lazy. All you're doing is replacing the saucer with a Defiant.
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  • commanderkassycommanderkassy Member Posts: 1,005 Arc User
    I feel like my life has gotten collectively worse after reading these ideas.
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  • rahmkota19rahmkota19 Member Posts: 1,929 Arc User
    You know, usually I am all for embracing new ideas about ships, and if I don't like them, I can be quite diplomatic in saying so. However, the ideas you are proposing are simply taking a good ship design (the Defiant) and just sticking another hull on it for the lolz. I am now having a visual of a tiny defiant (the thing is rather small) with these disproportional large hulls. Not even the nacelles, because the Defiant has those already.

    The things would look like abominations. Absolute and distasteful abominations.

    The Akira thing is almost in the game already tho. The Phantom Intel Escort has an Akira-ish engine area sticked to a Defiant-ish main hull. An it looks quite allright.

    The others tho? I'd rather fly a playable Vessel 1 of 10 Unimatrix 0047 with 800 weapon slots than the things you are proposing. Sorry.
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  • mirrorchaosmirrorchaos Member Posts: 9,844 Arc User
    this is why i do not like seeing people mutilating designs of trek ships. if you are going to have starship designs, they got to be original, if you are going to take elements from this ship class or that ship class, then good, but the majority of the idea has to be your own.
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  • seaofsorrowsseaofsorrows Member Posts: 10,919 Arc User
    edited March 2016
    I'm sorry, but the idea of taking 2 entirely different types of ships and just mashing them together is frankly just silly.

    You don't create new ship classes by taking already existing ships and just connecting them together. Honestly, there is so much wrong with that idea that I don't even know where to start. The idea of turning the Defiant into a saucer section of another ship is just.. odd.

    I respect that people have different opinions, I'll just say I'm really not on board with this one. The thought of a Galaxy Class with a Defiant as a saucer just makes me laugh. It reminds me of that mountain dew commercial where they have they combine 3 things and make the 'Puppy Monkey Baby.' lol
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  • conkav22conkav22 Member Posts: 8,146 Arc User
    I will never unsee the abominations i have pictured in my head.
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  • metusregemmetusregem Member Posts: 6 Arc User
    Thinking about your ideas, you are taking a very small ship, and using a much, much larger secondary ship hulls, there would be some massive disproportions there... I'd rather see a carrier that could deploy a pair of Defiant class escorts.
  • blazeritterblazeritter Member Posts: 203 Arc User
    Play nice, you don't have to be insulting to point out a less than stellar idea. Every ship designer starts somewhere - you should see some of the early drafts of actual ST ships that would make you cringe.

    That said, I will agree with the general agreement that these probably wouldn't look that great. Very rarely does kitbashing (taking parts from two different ships, or in this case two ships completely, and "bashing" them together) produce a solid design.

    It sounds like what you really want is to counter one of the perceived weaknesses of the Defiant, or add it's strengths to other ships. I'd recommend looking at how the Defiant itself could be adapted - what sort of hull modifications (since it already has a hull) would be appropriate for that design? Conversely, you could look at other ships and ask how the strengths of the Defiant could influence their design.

    I'd have to think it through, but a saucer taking inspiration from the Defiant contours might turn out ok. Something like a reinforced chevron/shovel maybe. Even then you have to ask if that's really what the Sovereign/Galaxy/etc. hulls were designed to fit with. How would they be modified so they don't look out of place?
  • mirrorchaosmirrorchaos Member Posts: 9,844 Arc User
    blazeritter wrote: »
    Play nice, you don't have to be insulting to point out a less than stellar idea. Every ship designer starts somewhere - you should see some of the early drafts of actual ST ships that would make you cringe.

    whats insulting is what the op is providing, the rest of us merely took the path of least resistance to make a point.
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  • kapla5571kapla5571 Member Posts: 103 Arc User
    jetnova16 wrote: »
    These ideas are for the fact that when the Defiant-class uses its Quantum Warhead Module in official Star Trek Canon it would also lose its Main Deflector. Connecting the Defiant-class Warship to these Secondary Hulls nullifies that vulnerability where without the Main Deflector Interstellar Debris could tear the ship apart if it attempts to maneuver and return to its starbase or another port of call. These Secondary Hull attachments nullify that vulnerability by giving the "new" ship the access to a second Main Deflector through the Secondary Hulls.

    The problem is that "losing the main deflector when using the Quantum Warhead Module" is not a consideration in STO so there really is no game-wise point to creating a kitbash such as this.
  • storulesstorules Member Posts: 3,284 Arc User
    jetnova16 wrote: »
    These three starship ideas originally came to me as a mod idea for the Activision PC game Star Trek Armada II and with a little help was able to have them created and converted for that game. They would also be great for Star Trek Online...

    Cryptic and the designers for STO can modify the design concepts in some minor ways, but their class names should stay as they are as a homage to the fact that the Defiant-class starship in Star Trek Deep Space Nine was considered to be a Warship. To quote Captain Sisko: "She's classified as a Destroyer Escort, unofficially she's a Warship, nothing more less. The Defiant was a prototype, the first ship in what would have been the Federation's new battle fleet." All three class names are based on battles during the Vietnam War.

    1. The Khe Sanh-class: A Defiant-class/Sovereign-class combo that uses the Secondary Hull of the Sovereign-class and replaces the Saucer Section with the entire Defiant-class Warship.

    2. Dien Bien Phu-class: A Defiant-class/Galaxy-class combo that uses the Secondary Hull of the Galaxy-class and replaces the Saucer Section with the entire Defiant-class Warship.

    3. Xuan Loc-class: A Defiant-class/Akira-class combo that uses the entire Akira-class starship other than its saucer section. The parts on the saucer that connect it to the secondary hull of the Akira-class actually stay to connect the entire Defiant-class to the rest of the ship (with slight modifications).

    These ideas are for the fact that when the Defiant-class uses its Quantum Warhead Module in official Star Trek Canon it would also lose its Main Deflector. Connecting the Defiant-class Warship to these Secondary Hulls nullifies that vulnerability where without the Main Deflector Interstellar Debris could tear the ship apart if it attempts to maneuver and return to its starbase or another port of call. These Secondary Hull attachments nullify that vulnerability by giving the "new" ship the access to a second Main Deflector through the Secondary Hulls.

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  • snoggymack22snoggymack22 Member Posts: 7,084 Arc User
    storules wrote: »
    jetnova16 wrote: »
    These three starship ideas originally came to me as a mod idea for the Activision PC game Star Trek Armada II and with a little help was able to have them created and converted for that game. They would also be great for Star Trek Online...

    Cryptic and the designers for STO can modify the design concepts in some minor ways, but their class names should stay as they are as a homage to the fact that the Defiant-class starship in Star Trek Deep Space Nine was considered to be a Warship. To quote Captain Sisko: "She's classified as a Destroyer Escort, unofficially she's a Warship, nothing more less. The Defiant was a prototype, the first ship in what would have been the Federation's new battle fleet." All three class names are based on battles during the Vietnam War.

    1. The Khe Sanh-class: A Defiant-class/Sovereign-class combo that uses the Secondary Hull of the Sovereign-class and replaces the Saucer Section with the entire Defiant-class Warship.

    2. Dien Bien Phu-class: A Defiant-class/Galaxy-class combo that uses the Secondary Hull of the Galaxy-class and replaces the Saucer Section with the entire Defiant-class Warship.

    3. Xuan Loc-class: A Defiant-class/Akira-class combo that uses the entire Akira-class starship other than its saucer section. The parts on the saucer that connect it to the secondary hull of the Akira-class actually stay to connect the entire Defiant-class to the rest of the ship (with slight modifications).

    These ideas are for the fact that when the Defiant-class uses its Quantum Warhead Module in official Star Trek Canon it would also lose its Main Deflector. Connecting the Defiant-class Warship to these Secondary Hulls nullifies that vulnerability where without the Main Deflector Interstellar Debris could tear the ship apart if it attempts to maneuver and return to its starbase or another port of call. These Secondary Hull attachments nullify that vulnerability by giving the "new" ship the access to a second Main Deflector through the Secondary Hulls.

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  • captainbmoneycaptainbmoney Member Posts: 1,323 Arc User
    What drugs are you on and can you share? Your ideas make the idea of even a T6 NX class or even a space shuttle sound logical. but then again. I have something to say about that somewhere else.
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  • dareaudareau Member Posts: 2,390 Arc User
    ...and here I thought that the Akira's main deflector was in the saucer area to begin with. Thusly, doing a "Defiant for Akira Saucer" Swap still leaves it with the issue of "main deflector or quantum warhead module"...

    However...

    What if you did take from the page of "boy, the ship really could use some nacelles", and then attempted to slap that quantum warhead module (or twinned main deflectors) in the wings?

    Or, gave the quantum warhead module to "Warship Voyager", the thing's already got two main deflectors, so replacing the secondary one with the QWM would be... appropriate... <evil>
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  • captainbmoneycaptainbmoney Member Posts: 1,323 Arc User
    While we're at it lets get a Glorious Heritage class. I mean it is owned by Roddenberry so it is possible.
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  • anazondaanazonda Member Posts: 8,399 Arc User
    I want the Yaeger class.
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  • goodscotchgoodscotch Member Posts: 1,680 Arc User
    edited March 2016
    Here's an idea for the next K'tinga design:

    Main Hull: Current K'tinga hull
    Neck: Kamarag neck
    Command Module: from Kamarag (split front K'Maj version)
    Housing on main hull - Vor'kang
    Nacelles: Vor'cha nacelles (scaled down to fit, but slightly taller. Nacelles are turned in underneath the ship like the current K'tinga design.)

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  • jexsamxjexsamx Member Posts: 2,803 Arc User
    This reads like the kind of thing I would have come up with when I was 12 years old and been really proud of myself for how cool and different it sounded, but if I reread it in the present I would cringe a mighty cringe.
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  • tacticalrooktacticalrook Member Posts: 810 Arc User
    4. The Liu Kang-class: A Defiant-class/Galaxy-class combo that uses the Primary and Secondary Hulls of the Galaxy-class and replaces the nacelles and deflector dish with entire Defiant-class Warships. Defiant-class Warships replace all Photon and Quantum torpedos, allowing the Liu Kang-class Warship to fire Defiant-class Warships as projectiles.
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  • captainbmoneycaptainbmoney Member Posts: 1,323 Arc User
    MORTAL KITBASH!
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  • kapla5571kapla5571 Member Posts: 103 Arc User
    I think the OP is also confusing the "Quantum warhead module" in STO which is just a multi-fire torpedo launcher to simulate multiple torpedo launchers, with the self-desctruct last ditch "warhead" module which detached the front of the ship and was to be used as a last ditch weapon to take the enemy with you weapon.

  • countvampulacountvampula Member Posts: 56 Arc User
    I'm amazed the OP came up with this idea. The Defiant as a saucer section? Lol.
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  • lsegnlsegn Member Posts: 594 Arc User
    This is one of those times I feel obligated to give natural selection a hand...
  • darkknightucfdarkknightucf Member Posts: 1,546 Media Corps
    tacticalrook wrote: »
    4. The Liu Kang-class: A Defiant-class/Galaxy-class combo that uses the Primary and Secondary Hulls of the Galaxy-class and replaces the nacelles and deflector dish with entire Defiant-class Warships. Defiant-class Warships replace all Photon and Quantum torpedos, allowing the Liu Kang-class Warship to fire Defiant-class Warships as projectiles.

    I approve of this design.
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