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I don't want to download tribble when we could preview it in a web based skill planner.
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As the title says, why should we have to download tribble to check out the new skill system, when a non-game dependent web based demo could do that job just as well?
For example:
http://www.stoacademy.com/tools/skillplanner/?build=dreambeamboat_6360
For example:
http://www.stoacademy.com/tools/skillplanner/?build=dreambeamboat_6360
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You do realize that most of the questions that are already being asked about the new skill tree would never be able to be answered from a web based page, detached from the game, right? How it all works "under the hood" would never be truly represented until the tree was attached to a character in game and people saw how it worked.
Not to mention, looking at a pretty web page would never put this system to any kind of test, which is, at least in title, the purpose of Tribble, the Test Server.
So, if you don't want to download Tribble and check it out, don't. Wait until it goes live and download the game file at the same time everyone else is. Just don't complain about the load times OR how the system works. You lose that right by not giving proper feedback by checking it out beforehand.
Anyway, I am happy with the skill system we have and I will manage the new one when it is there. This game is too average to go on your toes. For those who think it is much more important, good luck in getting world champion STO.
Nobody looses the right to complain when deciding not to become trible tester.
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Sadly, you are right. You don't lose the right, but you do lose some credibility when you do. Unfortunately, some don't really care about being credible, they just want to rage.
I'd rather not have 2 versions of the same game on the my system, just for testing.
Many other questions would be answered. And actually most of the questions I'm seeing are solely build oriented questions, so a web preview would answer quite a lot of those.
Everything on Tribble is for testing. Not for you to window shop.
#facepalm Which is why I'd prefer to not download it and have a web based preview.
tl;dr this is better handled by enthusiastic players than devs
Don't think of it as downloading the test server, but as pre-patching for the next big update.
I wasn't trying to say what you or anyone can or cannot say, I was trying to suggest that maybe the way some people here say things isn't the way a normal, decent human being would. No offense, but certain people on this forum just seem to go from thread to thread bullying anyone they disagree with. They may not break any forum rules, but that doesn't necessarily make what they say decent. There's a difference between polite, respectful disagreement, and being a donkey.
I don't expect the devs to make them. The time they spend building a website is better spend on building stuff in the game. Especially since anything official would probably only make sense to make if the system has been finalized and is heading to Holodeck.
What I could see is them making is a conversion guide in a blog post (they mention something in the direction in the live stream). That seems feasible. But also not as a preview now, but as something accompanying the release to Holodeck.
*Oops, found it, it was in fact already on the first page of this forum:
Thanks to @aesica:
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"Why should we have to download tribble to check out the new skill system? a non-game dependent web based demo could do that job just as well?"
The answer is:
You don't 'have' to do anything. Cryptic is not the 3rd Reich and will not break down your door if you decide not to partake in tribble.
A none game dependent web demo 'could' be made in order to accommodate people such as yourself - but given the limited resources the devs have, and the fact that it is pretty simple to partake in tribble - this would be both a waste of time and resources.
Trying it out and actually SEEING what kind of impact the changes will have vs glorified Calculator spreadsheet.
I'll take the Test Server any day. I'd actually like to feel the changes. Not do Math and estimate the performance impact.
http://www.stf-vanguard.com/STO-Skill-Planner/
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At this point gear conversions, benefit choices (twice!), and entire skills are getting reworked based entirely on player feedback since the system was first revealed. Bugs have been identified and squashed, general weirdness tracked down and un-weirded. All in about 2 weeks... That's moving at a breakneck pace in game design terms.
If you don't want to bestir yourself because you might not get some personal hand holding, please, stay out. The point is to get a better game, not to play "sempai please look at me."
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I will point out that skill planner is not mine, I found it over on Reddit
Is it really not obvious to you that the OP just wants a basic skill planner? He probably wants to see what skills he'll have to get to unlock various training manuals and such.
I didn't know customers lose the right to complain about a product or service just because they didn't want to be unpaid beta testers. You should leave a comment on 99.999% of the reviews on Amazon, Newegg, etc. to correct those reviewers' misconception that they have a right to an opinion on something they didn't help beta test.
Never mind what I said about telling virtually every reviewer everywhere that they don't have a right to review things. Instead, you should tell them that they're not credible and that they're just raging.
Is it not obvious to you, either, that the OP isn't interested in being an unpaid beta tester, just wants a skill planner, and is tired of repeatedly being told (by players whose idea of Tribble's purpose is apparently different from yours) to go test it on Tribble?
You too, I guess. Again: the OP just wants a skill planner. He doesn't want to misuse Tribble. In fact, this thread was probably in response to people telling the OP to use Tribble just to see the new skills, and he's looking for a way to avoid this misuse.
Finally, a voice of reason. I'm glad someone is willing to behave themselves rather than revving up the hate engine at the drop of a hat.
Did you not read the entire first sentence? It wasn't long. I'll quote it again.
"Why should we have to download tribble to check out the new skill system?"
In order to do X - check out the new skill system - players must first do Y - download Tribble. As far as the OP knew, there was no other way to check out the new skill system. Doing that would necessitate downloading Tribble. That's basic logic. It is an extremely common usage of the phrase "have to." Other examples: "I have to head out," "if you want to post you'll have to register," "looks like I'll have to retype that," and so on. This misunderstanding seems to be a popular fallacy on these forums. I would say I'll just have to get used to it, but the Third Reich isn't breaking down my door, are they?
All I see is strawmen, love it or leave it, "you don't have the right to complain unless you're an unpaid beta tester," and so on. Only a single poster (other than myself) was disappointed at how none of the other posts seem to take the slightest effort to treat the OP like a human being, instead twisting his words and making him out to be some lazy entitled freeloader.
And no, I didn't make that comparison. Someone else seems to think that as long as people aren't physically forcing you to do something, it means you don't "have to" do it. I demonstrated how foolish that idea is, saying that the same indication of "having to" do something isn't present in the case of accepting this forum's toxicity.
Please remember that some of the content of my posts may consist of quotes. These quotes are from other people and may not represent my views.
If one chooses not to use it, who's at fault?
Asking for another option from Cryptic, that is obviously not going to happen due to the time and effort it would cost to implement, seems foolish at best.
Tribble has been around since the start of the game (SIX YEARS) and available to any who wish to partake.
Why is it now all of a sudden, that somebody finds it inconvenient to use?
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