No but. If I wanted to fly a fed ship I'd make a fed toon as imo the vo'quv is a fed ship at heart. To paraphrase a dev, klingons aren't very scientific, they shoot first and ask questions later.
I don't want to fly a support ship as a klingon (looking at you varranus), I want to fly a klingon ship that's still biting as it's warp core goes critical. So let the fed have the vo'quv, bring on the t6 kar'fi, a true klingon ship (sad since the klingons burning in gre'lor can build a true klingon ship better then the ones walking around the klingon home world).
No but. If I wanted to fly a fed ship I'd make a fed toon as imo the vo'quv is a fed ship at heart. To paraphrase a dev, klingons aren't very scientific, they shoot first and ask questions later.
I don't want to fly a support ship as a klingon (looking at you varranus), I want to fly a klingon ship that's still biting as it's warp core goes critical. So let the fed have the vo'quv, bring on the t6 kar'fi, a true klingon ship (sad since the klingons burning in gre'lor can build a true klingon ship better then the ones walking around the klingon home world).
The real problem is the stereotype that Klingons are dumb stupid and incompetent. And some devs like to further this stereotype, including the top dog dev. That makes it very hard for some like me to portray a different type of Klingon. Federation types have lots of races and many have individual aspects that make them different from each other, even different from most in their own culture. Romulans are now in the story as something more than just a bunch of treacherous back-stabbers. There's an entire nation here that includes a wider range of Romulans. Klingons are still stuck with the "Me violent! Me want to fight! Me kill someone now!" It has not changed much since then and I'm not fond of it.
The real problem is the stereotype that Klingons are dumb stupid and incompetent. And some devs like to further this stereotype, including the top dog dev. That makes it very hard for some like me to portray a different type of Klingon. Federation types have lots of races and many have individual aspects that make them different from each other, even different from most in their own culture. Romulans are now in the story as something more than just a bunch of treacherous back-stabbers. There's an entire nation here that includes a wider range of Romulans. Klingons are still stuck with the "Me violent! Me want to fight! Me kill someone now!" It has not changed much since then and I'm not fond of it.
Don't get me wrong, I never meant the klingons are stupid, I said they weren't very scientific. Hence why I also said bring on the t6 kar'fi, as I assume it would have a com sci, lt com tac, lt eng, lt sci, lt tac and probably 4 tac con, 2 eng con, 4 sci with +1 eng for fleet.
I also agree on the stereotype that's being portrayed as it's also why I mentioned the varanus, because the same statement from the dev was also mentioning the varanus, which goes against his own statement as it's not very klingon by his own admission. To put it frank the varanus should've had a lt com tac not a lt com sci with 3 tac con, 2 eng con and 4 sci con, not to mention where's the cloak. A walking alligator that doesn't realize the benefit of blending in with it's surrounding enviroment is just sad, not like it's ancestors look like logs floating in the water.
Basically the devs did make a t6 vo'quv, they just threw a different skin on it and called it a jupiter, So I say again, let the feds have the vo'quv, give us the t6 kar'fi (though the feds will probably get one b4 kdf do....unfortunatly).
The fact that a T6 Voquv wasn't released at the same time means any possible future voquv likely won't have the same stats. Cryptic do their copy pasting in bundles, doesn't really happen with completely separate releases.
Give me an epic 4 hanger bay VoQuv carrier, 2-3 fore weapons, 2 rear. Then let us slot BoP and Ferjai frigates on it as we please.
T6 Karfi replacement needs to happen too, same with the Varanus.
I think the "Flagships" might get a revamp and package deal first before any of that happens though
To be fair, Cryptic have had a few occasions now where the cross-faction 3 packs were quite different - the Mogai is 4/4 where its Fed and Klingon packmates were 5/3, the KDF and Rom flight deck escorts are more sci-heavy than their Fed counterpart, the Kor is a raider packed with escorts... the most extreme example is the T6 Nausicaan ship which is an escort bundled with dreadnoughts. By comparison, making a T6 Vo'quv Eng/Tac heavy would not be a big deal.
Nope. Never liked the Vo'Quv much. Its pets are the only reason to fly one, and they really aren't very good.
Unless this one gets decent pets, or they learn to make strafing runs with their DHC's instead of circling their target while pecking away at it with their rear turret...
Unless this one gets decent pets, or they learn to make strafing runs with their DHC's instead of circling their target while pecking away at it with their rear turret...
I'd rather have the ship in Eradicator's sig. But it'd be an eng/carrier most likely, and this is about sci carriers.
I don't see that ship as a true carrier though, it's in the same form as the other Orion ships which are FDCs, hence the "dreadnaught" thinking in that image as dreads typically are FDCs.
But, if they want to take the T5U Corsair, add an extra hanger and an extra tac boff ability to it, I'd totally be down with that
I would fly a copy of the T6 Jupiter long enough to learn the "Insult To Injury" ship trait...and then go right back to flying my T5-U Fleet Vo'Quv. There's simply no replacing the power that comes with piling all of your Boff abilities onto four seats. Off the top of my head, only the Federation Patrol Escort and Romulan D'Deridex offer as many Lieutenant Commander Boff abilities in a loadout.
[Quote]I would fly a copy of the T6 Jupiter long enough to learn the "Insult To Injury" ship trait...and then go right back to flying my T5-U Fleet Vo'Quv. There's simply no replacing the power that comes with piling all of your Boff abilities onto four seats. Off the top of my head, only the Federation Patrol Escort and Romulan D'Deridex offer as many Lieutenant Commander Boff abilities in a loadout.[/Quote]
Most T6s do have two Lt. Comm with one Comm BOff slots. The Jupiter is actually one of the few exceptions and suffers for it, though it doesn't bring down the overall likability nearly as much as the frigates which are somehow buggier and more problematic that most.
If the Vo'Quv ever gets a T6 version, it'd be interesting what 13th BOff slot is gets, either bumping up the Lt. Sci to Lt. Comm, possibly Universal or adding a Ens. Universal to bring the BOff slots up to 5 (woo! extra Pirate goodness).
Maybe switch the LtCom Intel with Command then, yes, I'd buy it.
After the Kor disappointment I think I'll never anticipate a "genuine" KDF ship again.
At least with this suggestion, I know we'll get something on par with another Carrier.
What "disappointment"? The Kor is an amazing ship.
T5 Vo'quv was fun, but I'd rather see a future version go down the Eng-heavy route of the Mirror Vo'Quv (a brilliant ship in its day). At T6, making it an Eng / Command ship would put clear water between it and the Sci / Intel Fed carrier, and also fit the "rugged but practical" approach well.
One day Cryptic will be free from their Perfect World overlord. Until that day comes, they will continue to pamper the whales of this game, and ignore everyone that isn't a whale.
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I don't want to fly a support ship as a klingon (looking at you varranus), I want to fly a klingon ship that's still biting as it's warp core goes critical. So let the fed have the vo'quv, bring on the t6 kar'fi, a true klingon ship (sad since the klingons burning in gre'lor can build a true klingon ship better then the ones walking around the klingon home world).
The real problem is the stereotype that Klingons are dumb stupid and incompetent. And some devs like to further this stereotype, including the top dog dev. That makes it very hard for some like me to portray a different type of Klingon. Federation types have lots of races and many have individual aspects that make them different from each other, even different from most in their own culture. Romulans are now in the story as something more than just a bunch of treacherous back-stabbers. There's an entire nation here that includes a wider range of Romulans. Klingons are still stuck with the "Me violent! Me want to fight! Me kill someone now!" It has not changed much since then and I'm not fond of it.
Don't get me wrong, I never meant the klingons are stupid, I said they weren't very scientific. Hence why I also said bring on the t6 kar'fi, as I assume it would have a com sci, lt com tac, lt eng, lt sci, lt tac and probably 4 tac con, 2 eng con, 4 sci with +1 eng for fleet.
I also agree on the stereotype that's being portrayed as it's also why I mentioned the varanus, because the same statement from the dev was also mentioning the varanus, which goes against his own statement as it's not very klingon by his own admission. To put it frank the varanus should've had a lt com tac not a lt com sci with 3 tac con, 2 eng con and 4 sci con, not to mention where's the cloak. A walking alligator that doesn't realize the benefit of blending in with it's surrounding enviroment is just sad, not like it's ancestors look like logs floating in the water.
Basically the devs did make a t6 vo'quv, they just threw a different skin on it and called it a jupiter, So I say again, let the feds have the vo'quv, give us the t6 kar'fi (though the feds will probably get one b4 kdf do....unfortunatly).
Give me an epic 4 hanger bay VoQuv carrier, 2-3 fore weapons, 2 rear. Then let us slot BoP and Ferjai frigates on it as we please.
T6 Karfi replacement needs to happen too, same with the Varanus.
I think the "Flagships" might get a revamp and package deal first before any of that happens though
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Unless this one gets decent pets, or they learn to make strafing runs with their DHC's instead of circling their target while pecking away at it with their rear turret...
I don't see that ship as a true carrier though, it's in the same form as the other Orion ships which are FDCs, hence the "dreadnaught" thinking in that image as dreads typically are FDCs.
But, if they want to take the T5U Corsair, add an extra hanger and an extra tac boff ability to it, I'd totally be down with that
Most T6s do have two Lt. Comm with one Comm BOff slots. The Jupiter is actually one of the few exceptions and suffers for it, though it doesn't bring down the overall likability nearly as much as the frigates which are somehow buggier and more problematic that most.
If the Vo'Quv ever gets a T6 version, it'd be interesting what 13th BOff slot is gets, either bumping up the Lt. Sci to Lt. Comm, possibly Universal or adding a Ens. Universal to bring the BOff slots up to 5 (woo! extra Pirate goodness).
however i still support it for those kdf that do like it.
"It appears we have lost our sex appeal, captain."- Tuvok
KDF: 2 tacs, 2 engs, 3 scis
KDF Roms: 3 tacs, 1 eng, 1 scis
FED: 2 tacs, 1 eng, 2 scis
TOS: 1 tac
all on T5 rep (up to temporal)
all have mastered Intel tree (and some more specs Points)
highest DPS: 60.982
What "disappointment"? The Kor is an amazing ship.