If the new Jupiter was a t6 Vo'Quv with the same stats would you buy it?

rosetyler51

mustrumridcully0

Yes

Dang, I should have Yes, But - I think a T6 Vo'Quv wouldn't have these stats. IIRC, the Tier 5 Vo'Quv has already a Dual Lt.Cmdr layout- (one of the very few Tier 5 ships to do that). Cryptic has so far never removed already existing Bridge officer slots or seats when upgrading from Tier 5 to Tier 6.

So it seems more likely it would get Cmdr/Lt.Cmdr/Lt.Cmdr/Lt./Ensign seating. Maybe with the Ensign being universal, since there isn't any precedent for what it could be otherwise.

calintane753

No

We have already a T6 Jupiter, the Breen Sarr Theln.

rosetyler51

Yes

calintane753 wrote: »

We have already a T6 Jupiter, the Breen Sarr Theln.

I know it might seem shocking and a little crazy but some people like flying a ship for style and not stats

mrsmitty81

No

Don't care for carriers so no

calintane753

No

rosetyler51 wrote: »

calintane753 wrote: »

We have already a T6 Jupiter, the Breen Sarr Theln.

I know it might seem shocking and a little crazy but some people like flying a ship for style and not stats

Yes I know.
You can buy it if you like; for me: I don't have any use for duplicate ships.

shpoks

No but

No, but I'd possibly buy it if it would be tactical/engineering slanted carrier instead of science. It's just a personal preference of mine, especially on the KDF side, as I like playing science with science characters in science ships more, plus I'm not really a fan of carriers. In terms of the Jupiter being as it is on the Federation side, I'm ok with her current setup although I would have preferred it to also be on the tactical/engineering side and possibly with command specialization instead of intel. That way it wouldn't overlap with the Atrox carrier and would keep the possibility and hope of a T6 Atrox open for Caitian fans alive.

And no, but I'd possibly get one if the ship trait was too good to reject since I have one Klingon engineer that specializes in carriers - Kar'fi to be more precise, so I'd get the new one for the trait is good to use on my fleet T5-U Kar'fi. As it stands the current ship trait of the Jupiter doesn't really do anything for me that would justify spending some 3000 Zen.

I'd also possibly get it if the ship design is awesome, that plays a major role in my ship selection. If I happen to love what a ship looks like, I don't really care about the stats regardless of how crappy or awesome they might be. So that may play a role as well. If it's just the standard Vo'Quv skin with T6 stats, I'm afraid it won't cut it for me because I'm not too huge of a fan of that one.

All in all, a lot of "buts" for me since it's all still very speculative - all depends on what the final product would look and feel like.

mustrumridcully0

Yes

The Vo'Quv never really worked for me visually either, but a Tier 6 version might finally come with a decent look.

(I think the Vo'Quv also suffers greatly from being such an old design in the game, that has seen no improvements or tweaks. The level of detail both in the 3d model and the textures has vastly improved.)

goodscotch

Yes

I would. I don't have a carrier yet.

gradii

No but

I don't really like carriers so much.

rezking

Yes but

Maybe switch the LtCom Intel with Command then, yes, I'd buy it.

After the Kor disappointment I think I'll never anticipate a "genuine" KDF ship again.
At least with this suggestion, I know we'll get something on par with another Carrier.

theearthdragon

No but

I would if it was a new Gorn vessel.

The KDF have a unique position where they can dip from other groups vessels. They need to attempt to diversify a bit on the top.

sinn74

No

I'm a bit burnt out on hangar pets atm.

angrytarg

I wouldn't buy it, but I'd appreciate it, if only because ​​

artan42

I don't think so. I'd be happy youse had it, but would buy it myself.​​

tom61sto

I'm not sure at this point, the layout offers some interesting things that we don't have KDF side yet, by mixing a Lt. Comm Intel with a Commander Sci. OSS2 with GW3 is potent on my KDF Sci's Sarr Theln, bumping that up to OSS3 could be interesting. A bit light on Tac, and I'd likely go with a Eng in the Lt. Uni to make up losses for dipping into Intel on the fixed Eng.

calintane753 wrote: »

We have already a T6 Jupiter, the Breen Sarr Theln.

The Sarr Theln is closer to the Kar'fi than the Jupiter. Sarr Theln shares the FT5-U Kar'fi console layout, and you can make the Kar'fi BOff layout into the Sarr Theln by changing the Lt. Tac to Uni, bumping the Ens Sci to Lt. and changing the Lt Eng to hybrid Intel. Handling of 7 deg/sec turn is closer to the Kar'fi's 8 than it is the Jupiter's turnrate of 6 deg/sec. Only big difference to the Kar'fi is the removal of a fore weapon, in exchange for subsystem targeting integrated (not a fair trade, IMO).

qjunior

My Gorn Scientist still flies the T5-U Vo'quv. It does have that alternate skin that looks a bit like Gorn, though I'm not using that, so I could see a T6 version with more Gorn stuff. The Jupiter is fine I think, it can't be everything to everyone, but it follows the baseline carrier set-ups.

warmaker001b

No

I would love to see a T6 Vo'Quv. But not a copy and paste of the Jupiter's stats. I intend to get the Jupiter but the Vo'Quv which I used for ages in both PVP and PVE is not the same basic layout as the Jupiter. At its core, Cmdr SCI with LtCdr ENG & TAC made her very balanced and multirole capable. The Jupiter's layout does not have that same BOFF layout balance.

mustrumridcully0 wrote: »

The Vo'Quv never really worked for me visually either, but a Tier 6 version might finally come with a decent look.

(I think the Vo'Quv also suffers greatly from being such an old design in the game, that has seen no improvements or tweaks. The level of detail both in the 3d model and the textures has vastly improved.)

Pretty much all the launch or very early season ship models don't compare to the current aesthetics. Look at the default Negh'Var skins for example. Compare the old Negh'Var skins to the Negh'Tev in details and textures. It's nowhere near close. The ship model has improved for the old stuff but we're stuck with old textures. Hell, look at the old Sovereign model or recall the Pre-T6 Galaxy, Galaxy-X, Intrepid models.

On a related note, Cryptic improved the old Fed models in those T5->T6 conversions but did not do the same for the KDF & Rom ships. Only the Negh'Var got the improved models but everything else? No.

mikoto8472

Yes

I think I would, as it would suit my KDF character well.

potasssium

No but

It really depends, I play my KDF differently. I would be much more tempted if it came with Kor BoP frigates with scratch the paint.

As it is my main has a SheShar & Narcine, and my Ferasan Tact a JHDC.

My Gorn Sci runs the time ships so if we get a KDF time dread I'll be clamoring for that.

I'm actually really content with the selection of ships for KDF other than wanting a T6 Vor'cha/Kamarag with either Intel or Pilot.

My Rom ship needs have been satisfied as well.

Now if they make a KDF or Rom Scryer, with SA & Secondary Deflector, then you will have my fullest attention.

Disclaimer: I'd probably end up buying a KDF carrier cause reasons and to support the cause. Same as the Command Cruiser & KDF Dyson 3pk, which are paying off in Admirality.

I would want a slightly different Boff layout for KDF & Rom carriers. I like the fact that recent cross faction three packs have had variances, instead of being carbon copies.

If the KDF version were Gorn, Orion, or Ferasan in origin, I would be far far far more likely to buy it with little thought.

khan1000

No

I want the Gorn Balaur Dreadnought.

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noroblad

No but

No, but...
Its the same as the breen more or less.
If it were for a romulan, and I didnt have the breen, "maybe". But its another not sci ship... 2nd deflector? Nope. 5 sci consoles? Nope. I can do that with what I already have for both of the non sci factions!

Its not that hard. Make carrier. 6 guns. 2nd deflector. 5 sci consoles. cmdr sci seat / special. Other lower level / special. Give it some weird frigate pets with tractor beam or something amusing. There, was that so hard?

chipg7

Yes but

Yes, but not if it's going to be labeled as the 'KDF science ship' and that's the closest we'll ever get.

Same for the inevitable Republic variant.

majesticmsfc

I would rather see a traditional science ship first, fully fledged whale carriers don't appeal to me nor work with my play style.

That said if they made the Orion dreadnaught an Tactical or Engineering carrier, I don't think I would be able to resist it.

pweistheworst

No but

I said no only because I don't want an "exact copy" of the Jupiter as a Klingon carrier. I want a T6 KDF carrier that fits more with what we expect from the Klingons ... maybe give it an extra weapon slot up front (4 fore weapons) or give it a unique battle cloak that allows the carrier to launch fighters or BOP while remaining cloaked.

Yes, I want a new T6 KDF carrier, but I don't want a "copy and paste" from the Jupiter.

kyrrok

No

chipg7 wrote: »

Yes, but not if it's going to be labeled as the 'KDF science ship' and that's the closest we'll ever get.

Same for the inevitable Republic variant.

I must agree. A sci-carrier just will not do. A real science ship or no deal.

As for inevitability, I have quite a few doubts that they would ever have a KDF or Rom carrier or science ship. As nice as it would be, as much more probable as they say it will happen, I just don't see them holding a "design your ship" contest. I wouldn't take their words with a mere grain of salt, but a whole box of it. Given that they began the practice of releasing KDF/Rom ships only with a Fed version or not at all, and the fact that the Jupiter was released solo, I place the odds of a KDF or Rom carrier at a flat 0. I would love to be wrong in this even if I don't plan to get it, but I just don't see it happening.

theillusivenman

No

No but then I don't think Vo'quv would have those Jupiter's stats in the first place.

aurigas7

No

No, I don't like stupid pets. Plus, I don't have the Breen carrier from last years winter event.

lianthelia

I don't know to be honest...I already have the Jupiter...plus I don't play much KDF these days...plus if they release a Romulan version I think I'd be interested in it since they don't have much Science based ships.

Like others I'm hoping they wont be identical...not expecting one or the other to get like command or some substantially different pets...but hoping for a different boff layout...if nothing else I could put different boffs in the Uni slot...but I don't think I'd want to do that with 3 carriers.

But like others have said...I can't imagine the KDF version would be a pure carbon copy...since the Vo'Quv and Atrox weren't identical...then again who knows.

warmaker001b

No

There's no reason for the T6 Vo'Quv to have identical stats as the Jupiter. There's a T5/Fleet T5/T5U version of the Vo'Quv to base T6 stats off to begin with! Why copy the Jupiter's stats???