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(RANT) Krenim ship needed for 4 piece set??? WHY?

As I understand it, you need the Krenim ship to complete the 4 piece set on the flagships? why? why was this done? I don't want to have to do the mission 3 or times just so I can get the Krenim ship. Why is Cryptic doing this? grind the same mission WAY too many times to make it any kind of 'fun'? this is a good way to alienate your player base even further.
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    elothoxelothox Member Posts: 170 Arc User
    You need to do the mission once (400) and do the Omega Stabilization daily 15 times (40 per day).
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    tousseautousseau Member Posts: 1,484 Arc User
    Ummm... you know, this isn't the first time Cryptic has done this... yes?
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    nikeixnikeix Member Posts: 3,972 Arc User
    "You" =/= "the player base".

    The ships work fine individually. They pick up a little extra functionality as a group of three. They work a little bit more fine if you do the Anniversary event.

    As to why... because that's been the pattern with Anniversary releases for 3 years now. I'm freshly returned to the game, so sure I have a bit of a frown that I missed some of the most powerful tools in the box from years gone by, but I try to make up the difference with low animal cunning :wink:.
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    feiqafeiqa Member Posts: 2,410 Arc User
    Flagship consoles? I thought it was with the temporal set with the Temporal destroyer, cruiser, and dreadnought.

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    daveynydaveyny Member Posts: 8,227 Arc User
    Because... MONIES!

    (to keep the game going)

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    cuchulainn74cuchulainn74 Member Posts: 831 Arc User
    It was exactly the same with the Command cruisers and the Kobali Samsar. In both cases, as well, the 4 piece set bonus is nice but not exactly game changing. If you're an obsessive completist, I suppose it might bug you. Otherwise, just tell yourself the set stops at the 3-piece bonus. Whatever helps you lower your heart rate! :wink:
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    qjuniorqjunior Member Posts: 2,023 Arc User
    Most of the time those console sets aren't worth using anyway, but in general I would say I don't like unobtainable set parts either. Irony is fun, I have the Command cruisers, but not the Samsar. But I do have the Krenim ship, but probably won't get the new ships anytime soon, but at least I can get them later.... :)
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    jaguarskxjaguarskx Member Posts: 5,945 Arc User
    He is referring to collecting the set pieces for the Chronometric Calculations Set. There are 3 pieces that can be obtained from Time and Tide, but you can only collect one at a time. So you need to play the mission 3 times over 3 weeks because each week a new piece is released.

    But at least there is an added incentive to play Time and Tide once per week after maintenance on Thursdays and that is an account bound box that gives you a choice of 1 specialization point or an enhanced universal tech upgrade which is only awarded to the first character on the account that plays the mission.
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    tarran61tarran61 Member Posts: 827 Arc User
    I have to say I was upset about not being able to get the complete Breen set but that has changed and I see my error. I have the CBC/Samsar set, use them from time to time to switch things up some and relive the days of old (lol) but it doesn't break my gaming so or make me a bad TRIBBLE. I agree it would be nice for the players who just stared playing. Lots of items are gone from the game, red matter, Cochrane shotgun to name a few. Look at whats being used in the PvE's, I see some of them used from time to time as well but not every CBC or Samsar is loaded with them. Again I would love the chance to get those items and maybe one day they will re-run those events that allow it.

    Maybe.....Maybe not...but Im not going to beat them up over it. Never again!!
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    oktoberfest2dispoktoberfest2disp Member Posts: 13 Arc User
    The game is free, the ship is free, the console is free.

    "I don't want to have to do the mission 3 or times just so I can get the Krenim ship."

    IMO, it is a small amount of effort to exert to obtain free stuff.

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    kiralynkiralyn Member Posts: 1,576 Arc User
    elothox wrote: »
    You need to do the mission once (400) and do the Omega Stabilization daily 15 times (40 per day).

    Yeah, I don't get the issue. It's a remarkably trivial effort for a T6 ship. Even easier than the Winter/Summer ships. And certainly vastly easier than grinding 3000zen worth of Dil to buy a T6 ship off the C-store.
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    scarlingscarling Member Posts: 708 Arc User
    edited February 2016
    Kobali ship didn't make sense, but at the same time it kind of (just a little bit) did because we don't have any other kobali ships. We DO have krenim ships and I was pretty disappointed that my other krenim ship consoles do not go with this new one. It doesn't matter how we got the ship, it just matters if it makes a little sense. Is this krenim sci ship a flagship of one the big three factions. No, no it isn't.
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    risian4risian4 Member Posts: 3,711 Arc User
    kiralyn wrote: »
    elothox wrote: »
    You need to do the mission once (400) and do the Omega Stabilization daily 15 times (40 per day).

    Yeah, I don't get the issue. It's a remarkably trivial effort for a T6 ship. Even easier than the Winter/Summer ships. And certainly vastly easier than grinding 3000zen worth of Dil to buy a T6 ship off the C-store.

    Still, people might decide that the ship isn't worth getting right now. It's a science ship, there's a lot of people in the game who don't have a sci character or who prefer cruisers or tac ships. If they decide to explore the science ships a bit in, say, a couple of months, they'll note that they have no chance of getting this ship and its gear ever again even though they pay a couple of thousand zen for the rest of the set.

    At te very least they should make sets available through other means. Paying 2500-12000 zen for a ship or nine of them and not being able to fully use it, isn't right.

    Not to mention that, as I have stated before, this exclusivity thing isn't a very wise thing to do at all since everyone suffers from this policy, from access to ships for players to potential income for the game and its owners.
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    ltminnsltminns Member Posts: 12,569 Arc User
    If you would have looked in this Forum this discussion was already taking place
    http://forum.arcgames.com/startrekonline/discussion/1211609/its-the-samsar-and-the-dyson-science-destroyer-all-over-again
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    tousseautousseau Member Posts: 1,484 Arc User
    But. But... this thread is his... you meanie... :p
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    salazarrazesalazarraze Member Posts: 3,794 Arc User
    risian4 wrote: »
    Still, people might decide that the ship isn't worth getting right now...
    If anybody actually thinks this way, then they won't play the game long enough to realize their mistake.
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    meimeitoomeimeitoo Member Posts: 12,594 Arc User
    nikeix wrote: »
    "You" =/= "the player base".

    The ships work fine individually. They pick up a little extra functionality as a group of three. They work a little bit more fine if you do the Anniversary event.

    I keep saying that: realistically, who slots a grand total of 4 gimmicky consoles on a permanent basis?! (After the initial excitement wears off). Not me, at least: eventually I almost always revert to regular loadouts (except maybe for the Assault Mode Relays, put on the Vaadwaur Manasa Assault Escort: that's a definite keeper).
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    dalolorndalolorn Member Posts: 3,655 Arc User
    meimeitoo wrote: »
    nikeix wrote: »
    "You" =/= "the player base".

    The ships work fine individually. They pick up a little extra functionality as a group of three. They work a little bit more fine if you do the Anniversary event.

    I keep saying that: realistically, who slots a grand total of 4 gimmicky consoles on a permanent basis?! (After the initial excitement wears off). Not me, at least: eventually I almost always revert to regular loadouts (except maybe for the Assault Mode Relays, put on the Vaadwaur Manasa Assault Escort: that's a definite keeper).

    I slot more if I have them. :tongue:

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    shpoksshpoks Member Posts: 6,967 Arc User
    edited February 2016
    In order to pile up on the boneheaded move from last year......so in order to be boneheaded squared?

    Seriously, I'm not even slightly upset by this, but a boneheaded decision is a boneheaded decision nevertheless. Tying up console sets from C-Store (and fairly expensive) bundles of ships that cost real money with limited issue promotional ships (especialy since the new direction of not being able to acquire this year's event ship next year as it used to be before the summer event 2015) is just plain stupid in my book. It was dumb when they did it with the Samsar and it's even dumber now because they've repeated the same mistake.
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    battykoda0battykoda0 Member Posts: 959 Arc User
    meimeitoo wrote: »
    nikeix wrote: »
    "You" =/= "the player base".

    The ships work fine individually. They pick up a little extra functionality as a group of three. They work a little bit more fine if you do the Anniversary event.

    I keep saying that: realistically, who slots a grand total of 4 gimmicky consoles on a permanent basis?! (After the initial excitement wears off). Not me, at least: eventually I almost always revert to regular loadouts (except maybe for the Assault Mode Relays, put on the Vaadwaur Manasa Assault Escort: that's a definite keeper).

    This one doesn't seem too bad for a science though - if you convert to polaron and use a torpedo. +21.6% exotic damage/+33.2 energy damage for 15 seconds with 3 pieces or for 30 seconds with 4. Still, a 2 minute cooldown but you can do a lot of exotics in 30 seconds. I am not sure I want to give up my emission torpedo for this one so the 4-piece probably won't happen. Unless this torpedo does some really nice magic. (Buff seems based on Aux power though the info doesn't state such as popping a battery gives 22.1% and 33.5%. Capped at 130 and have 129 going in, battery doesn't juice me much).
    Wow. There is a new KDF Science ship. I'll be!
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    hanover2hanover2 Member Posts: 1,053 Arc User
    Why? To maintain a veneer of "popularity" for the Anniversary Event stuff. It's so fun and popular that people must be maneuvered and manipulated into playing it.
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    nateham101#2745 nateham101 Member Posts: 420 Arc User
    damainx wrote: »
    As I understand it, you need the Krenim ship to complete the 4 piece set on the flagships? why? why was this done? I don't want to have to do the mission 3 or times just so I can get the Krenim ship. Why is Cryptic doing this? grind the same mission WAY too many times to make it any kind of 'fun'? this is a good way to alienate your player base even further.

    The 4th piece set bonus is not that great to begin with. Honestly, if you are using all 3 flagship consoles on one ship anyways, you are doing it wrong. Group up with me, ill run a parser and I will gladly show your DPS to you and explain why it will be in the bottom tier. lmk! :-)
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    nateham101#2745 nateham101 Member Posts: 420 Arc User
    edited February 2016
    meimeitoo wrote: »
    nikeix wrote: »
    "You" =/= "the player base".

    The ships work fine individually. They pick up a little extra functionality as a group of three. They work a little bit more fine if you do the Anniversary event.

    I keep saying that: realistically, who slots a grand total of 4 gimmicky consoles on a permanent basis?! (After the initial excitement wears off). Not me, at least: eventually I almost always revert to regular loadouts (except maybe for the Assault Mode Relays, put on the Vaadwaur Manasa Assault Escort: that's a definite keeper).

    ^^ This 100%. Extremely gimmicky. Pick one console, stick with it. There are over one hundred different options that will increase your dps. If you people do not believe it, I will jump in my T6 oddy with the flagship computer only, you equip all that garbage and then I will show you why all those universals will not get you close to decent Encounter DPS..you might pull 10k.
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    ltminnsltminns Member Posts: 12,569 Arc User
    If DPS is what they are looking for when equipping the Consoles.
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    nateham101#2745 nateham101 Member Posts: 420 Arc User
    edited February 2016
    ltminns wrote: »
    If DPS is what they are looking for when equipping the Consoles.

    I would hope so. This game is about DPS. It is a DPS race. If they are doing group content, then yes it is. That's all anyone wants right? To jump into an advanced or elite Q and have people pulling 10k or less. Thus failing optional or the entire mission. In content like that, everyone in the group needs to pull their own weight. There is no carrying people. I see the parser every time, and 9 times out of 10 when the mission failed, there was at least 2 people pulling less than 10k.
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    ltminnsltminns Member Posts: 12,569 Arc User
    If that is the case and Cryptic is enabling that with what they are doing, then the right hand should tell the left hand not to waste time developing all these non-DPS enhancing Consoles.
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    hyefatherhyefather Member Posts: 1,286 Arc User
    You know, the ship isn't all that bad either. If you pvp the trait could be helpfull. Science ship build, Partical Gen, Feedback pulse trait. T'varo alpha strike incoming, wtf. Dead. Its a good deal, stfu and grind. You be happy you did in a few months. You'll forget all about the grinding and be happy you have a really good and free admirality ship, cool trait and console. This entitlement TRIBBLE has to go. nuff'said.
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    ufpterrellufpterrell Member Posts: 736 Arc User
    Actually this has annoyed me quite a bit. I've had no end of ISP issues and problems getting STO to work with some of my hardware of late since an upgrade so I'm unable to get the Krenim ship. I'm also a bit of a completionist so it is going to bug the hell out of me that I can't get this last piece of the puzzle for my flagship set bonuses. I've got the full six consoles from both flagship sets on my ship atm just for the giggles. The game is so easy anyhow it's not like you need all the uber Mk XIV consoles. I've slotted the project and got 400/1000 but will have to wait until the next anniversary event (if there is one - fingers crossed) before I can complete it.
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    ltminnsltminns Member Posts: 12,569 Arc User
    They stated that for the current and future years events, any project slotted but not completed will be removed. They allowed you to keep older ones this event because it was a transition to the new paradigm, which basically is 'Get it now, or get the frack out', so to speak.
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    All this has happened before, and will happen again.
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