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cedricophoff
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I was just wondering if this was still on list of things they plan on adding? Rather like cardies 
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Yes it was, they were explicit about that and flat out said the reason we haven't seen any further lockbox cardassian ships was because of the potential for a future faction
Dominion will never happen. Wouldn't work as a faction
Don't see why Cardassians are not likely. I'd say aside from the Galor being a lock box ship, the Cardies has a way better chance of being a faction than the Dominion. Almost all of the Dominion ships are either promotion or lock box/Lobi given ships.
Dont you know? everyone becomes federation wannabe hippies , even the species yet to be introduced will become fed hippies, and we thought the borg were bad about assimilation lol
No but seriously everyone becomes a member of the federation , which is just dumb and beyond realism imo
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If i can get thsoe outfits for my characters... all of them... I can live with being under the federations bootheel.
I don't think there will be another new faction though, it's a lot of work not just when they release it, but it also means each subsequent ship release requires another ship to be designed ... although with the cooperative they could just slap a Borgified skin on each new ship and let them use allied T6, unlike the romulans.
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That and cryptic avoiding introducing borg ships as lockbox ships even with all the more ridiculous ones they've put out hints that they are saving them for a playable faction.
I dont see why not - just as Feds, KDF and Romulan Republic can choose from a variety of races (granted, not as many as Feds), I think having a Dominion faction would make more sense than just Cardassian. Particularly if the Cardassians started in the Dominion and then got to choose one of the three 'main' factions to join later (eg, as part of some internal squabble and/or resistance movement ala DS9).
There would be plenty of opportunities for good stories for Cardassians or other races (Liberated Cardassian?) - from rebuilding a destroyed society through to the temptations of the True Way through the sinister but effective Obsidian Order through to true independence (or alternatively some deal with one of the main factions to keep you in power/rescue the civilian government of Elim Garak etc).
As a Jem Ha'dar or Vorta or whatever that trading race was called from DS9 with the tulaberries, one could begin with re-establishing the Glory of the Dominion which has clearly returned to its bread and butter in the Gamma Quadrant (Gamma Recruits, anyone?) and a whole new story that didnt need to be tied to events seen in the TV shows could be had there.
Having a Dominion faction would also make sense in the escalation of ships - eg, starting in a Hedeii class, then to a basic bug ship at tier 2, then an attack ship, followed by a basic Galor at Captain level, followed by some of the larger Dominion battleships and Keldon-class cruisers at top levels. There would be enough variety to spice things up.
I do very much like the idea of a Cooperative faction/character though - which could start you as a Borg assimilating innocents with very limited controls (perhaps at Vega as you watch a bunch of do-gooder Fed types run past to go save someone else, ala the Fed tutorial), followed by some missions in Unimatrix Zero leading to an incident with the Romulans/Iconians that leads to your awakening and independence, followed by leading a cooperative ship (starting with a basic Borg Probe, some assimilated versions of other ships, followed by a Sphere, followed by assimilated versions of other ships, followed by a Cube then Tac Cube. Your story would end once you hit a point where you "re-joined" your main faction Fed/KDF/RR as one of their "Liberated Human/Klingon/Romulan" etc characters and as your faction's link to the Cooperative. Opportunities for some voice acting from those people who were in that Voyager episode as well (who elected to stay in the Delta Quadrant).
Both of these ideas are pretty damn rad, and the workload involved could be materially reduced depending on if/when they re-joined the "main" factions.
of course now this time travel storyline must reach its end and will see what happens next. i really hope the cardassians come in the 50th anniversary with a new expac. it would be the perfect opportunity to cash in on something so signifcant.
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In short, the way a new faction would be handled by cryptic would not offer enough substance for me to make and maintain a new character in it.
I rather see cryptic’s development attention directed towards other stuff like end game, queue situation, graphic polishing and general bug fixes. New contend should be able to be enjoyed with the characters I already made, especially after DR and it's burdens.
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Removing one of the few truly exclusive things that provides an unique player experience would significantly devalue the veteran rewards. Most of the other subscriber rewards are either not exclusive, or they're minor things such as costumes or pets that make no difference in 99% of the game's content.
Exclusive playable species are one of the few reasons I still consider the multiple lifetime subscription that I've bought worth the money, and I can't imagine I'm the only one.
Edit and to reply a bit more on-topic: Cardassian faction would be fine to me. Not that I care much about Cardassians and I wouldn't be playing them much I think, but I have no reason to oppose a faction around this species either. At least the introduction of a Cardassian faction would not devalue one of the most expensive products in the game, a product that cannot be obtained without real life money even.
Before I start, let me make it known that I have been a lifer since beta, I purchased it primarily for the liberated borg, and my main for each of the 3 factions are all liberated borg.
Now, that being said, I don't think this would devalue the current Liberated Borg in the slightest. A Cooperative faction would be a separate, RR style faction with its own faction specific uniforms, costumes, and ships. Any cross-faction ship access should require the use of an assimilated material, with the normal material options for that ship being inaccessible, and all would have Cooperative specific bridges full of regeneration alcoves and borg consoles.
The current lifetime sub reward allows you to play as a liberated Borg who has returned to his or her faction and resumed their commission, using their faction's uniforms and ships. A Cooperative faction would not affect this in the slightest, so I truly fail to see your logic. Now, to keep all things equal, lifetime sub could potentially allow you to create a Cooperative captain who is NOT a liberated borg, but rather a standard, unassimilated human, romulan, or klingon. Granted that's not exactly an amazing benefit, but its the best I can think of atm.
The whole idea, for years, was that if you wanted to play as a liberated borg, you needed to buy a lifetime subscription. Adding a faction that entirely consists of liberated borg, for everyone, regardless of whether they pay for it or not and with even more content, would mean that one benefit lifers have suddenly becomes available for everyone. That's how it devalues Veteran rewards, because it removes the exclusitivity that was paid for when buying the subscription.
True, it would not remove the option for lifers to create faction-specific liberated borg and a Fed Liberated borg would indeed have access to Fed-specific stuff that the Cooperative borg would not, but if the release of the Republic is any indication, the Cooperative borg would get their own amazing ships. And let's be honest now: barriers between factions have become much less important in the last couple of years.
A Cooperative faction thus might not have access to Federation specific stuff that a Lifetime liberated borg would have, but it would get their own faction and an option to play as a species that was considered a premium one, for good reasons given the huge price to pay as liberated borg.
If you really believe a Dominion faction makes sense you really weren't paying attention to DS9. No storyline would make sense in the context of the game, the species would not make sense in context of having a faction, you would have to develop an entirely new quadrant to support it, you would have to have them as an enemy to the other factions (and thus eliminate the faction joining one of the others at a set point, which will not happen, ever. they were very clear on that)
There is also the fact that the entire idea of cardassians being a part of the dominion *does not make sense under any circumstances whatsoever* the Dominion hates the cardassians, they literally attempted to genocide the entire species at the end of the war and frankly probably intended to do so regardless of the situation. the female changeling flat out said it herself to garak. to the Dominion, the cardassians were nothing more than what stalin would refer to as useful idiots
So, two points. When I was talking about a dominion faction making sense, the examples I gave were completely focused in a gameplay sense - no other faction would have just one race (even th eKlingon Empire has Gorn, etc) whereas it would be highly unclear that the Cardassian faction would have anything more than Cardassians (maybe a few Bajorans who defected?) and therefore from a gameplay perspective having a Dominion opens the faction up to having a range of races. Which makes sense, in my opinion.
From a storyling perspective, I admit that it would be a challenge to write a cohesive story that aligned with every element of DS9 and the other shows. But given that the Dominion as an entity pops up in random places already through the STO universe (eg, in the Cardassian Struggle arc and most recently in Time and Tide) then it does make sense that the Dominion exists and therefore that a compelling story could be delivered.
There are also relatively limited alternatives that are also canon: one of the random 'aliens of the week' from TOS, TNG or VOY, the Borg Collective, the Cooperative, the Breen Confederacy, maybe one or two others. And thus, from this perspective a Dominion faction can make sense.
Oh please, where is your spirit of adventure or imagination? Why couldnt you start out as a Cardassian loyalist acting as a spy in the True Way with its covert links to a shadowy spy agency within the Dominion in the Gamma Quadrant, just as the Romulan arc has you acting as a member of the Tal Shiar for half a series? Or a Jem Ha'dar seeking to free his (her?) people from the White and the iron grip of the Founders. Or a Vorta seeking to please but really to turn a personal profit. These races could be given a range of bonuses that would be comparable to but different from those that exist in other factions (eg Jem Ha'dar similar to Klingon physical bonuses but you lose HP if you dont carry enough White with you) or the Vorta could have bonuses somewhere between the Ferengi and Talaxians.
It is a well-known addage that nations dont have friends, they have interests. I dont see why this principle wouldnt also apply to galactic empires - and a few words spat out in bitter defeat or the loss of a few cities wouldnt really change the cold hard facts about an empire's enduring interests.
None of this sounds like not making sense under any circumstances whatsoever.
Seems like a Cube is on the cards given the Valentine's Day event...
I guess I wouldn't be to upset either if they made Cardassians just a playable race for Feds.
I take your point, but I wonder if you could help clarify for me your particular problem with the idea:
1) You object to the 'look and feel' of Liberated Borg being available in a too similar way via a Cooperative faction; or
2) You object to the particular bonuses such as racial traits of the Liberated Borg being available to others?
The-Grand-Nagus
Join Date: Sep 2008
Then the Klingons beat them up. Then the Dominion beat them up. Then the Romulans, Klingons, and Federation beat them up.
Good. The Romulan Empire was lame enough to be taken over by Picard's Mini-Me and wore stupid jackets. And the Cardassian Union were space TRIBBLE who all had the same haircuts.
Bring on New Cardassia with new Cardassian fashions and the rep grind!
If that's what you want, that's fine. But here is the "problem": the reason someone asks for a Cardassian faction(or a Romulan faction, before we got it) was because they *LIKED* what they saw in the show. They *LIKED* how the Romulans were portrayed, and apparently *LIKE* how the Cardassians were portrayed. If they didn't like how the faction was portrayed, they wouldn't be fans of it. They wouldn't be asking to be able to play it in a game. You say the Cardassians were "space TRIBBLE", but guess what? So was the Empire in Star Wars, but a lot of people still want to play Imperial in Star Wars games.
That said, if you want something completely *different* from what was portrayed in the shows, that's fine. But that doesn't change the point that what was portrayed in the shows is what a lot of people are actually fans of, and want to be able to play when they ask for the faction to be added.
The-Grand-Nagus
Join Date: Sep 2008
While I can see the point on the liberated Borg, they wouldn't be loosing the uniqueness of it. They would still be the only ones who could be a borg starfleet, klingon, or romulan captain, and use their ships. I don't think the Cooperative should have any access to Fed/Rom/Kling ships, and instead be allied to both factions but not a part of. They have enough ships they can choose from (See list of geometric shapes)
At the end of the day though, I hope to eventually see both factions.
God I hope not, if the faction ever happens I hope the Cube and it's variants get the Typhoon treatment, strictly off limits to players.